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2008-08-20

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Posted by Seafarious 2008-08-20 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Because when he wrote as trailing wife he cussed just like me. Truly an amazing mimic.

Happy coding to Fred, and happy hunting to the poor troll, who will discover he isn't nearly as clever as he thought.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-08-20 01:20|| 2008-08-20 01:20|| Front Page Top

Posted by gorb 2008-08-20 02:02|| 2008-08-20 02:02|| Front Page Top

#3 I suggest a small troll symbol at the top of the page to indicate that it's troll season. Fred could even raffle licenses.Permission to fire an effinheimer at a troll has to be worth a few bucks.

Posted by Mike N. 2008-08-20 03:04|| 2008-08-20 03:04|| Front Page Top

#4 Great stuff !

Low level Sat in orbit ...
Loading Rods 1 and 2 ! Waiting on GPS/IP co-ordinates.

Posted by Mad Eye 2008-08-20 04:03|| 2008-08-20 04:03|| Front Page Top

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Posted by I. Wannabe Badanov 2008-08-20 05:43|| 2008-08-20 05:43|| Front Page Top

#6 An example just above.

Your children ache for probate of your trailors.

That is bad.

Posted by Bobby 2008-08-20 06:01|| 2008-08-20 06:01|| Front Page Top

#7 Charming

Posted by Mad Eye 2008-08-20 06:23|| 2008-08-20 06:23|| Front Page Top

#8 I practice probate law, and I've never probated a trailor in almost twenty years of practice. I've never even had a client ache for me to do that. I don't even think there's a Standard Probate Form for it.

Posted by Mike 2008-08-20 06:46|| 2008-08-20 06:46|| Front Page Top

#9 We've got the coordinates of his real posting location.

Hint: he's not from the right wing of the political spectrum.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-20 06:59|| 2008-08-20 06:59|| Front Page Top

#10 HeH Funny that the coward copied Badanov.

way amusing...

If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!

Poor Troll... *Sniff*

/LMAO!!

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2008-08-20 07:18|| 2008-08-20 07:18|| Front Page Top

#11 If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!

Yeah, over time, I've discovered that being online brought the very best out of people (for me), or the very worst (for everybody else), so, this doesn't surprizes me.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-08-20 08:17|| 2008-08-20 08:17|| Front Page Top

#12 Considering how far down on the scale of intellectual and emotional development leftists are - they believe in socialism, which puts them in a similar category to believers in perpetual motion machines, or worse, believers in perpetual motion machine conspiracy theories, e.g., evil corporations are suppressing perpetual motion technologies - leftists trolls have to be even lower down. They are not only leftists, but leftists that dont have a life.

Posted by Ulusoling Hatfield4645 2008-08-20 08:37|| 2008-08-20 08:37|| Front Page Top

#13 HeH Funny that the coward copied Badanov.

clarification

HeH Funny that the coward used Badanov's name while saying those ignorant things.

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2008-08-20 08:48|| 2008-08-20 08:48|| Front Page Top

#14 Leftists hiding in their mommies basement because they can't get a life or a date.

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-20 09:40|| 2008-08-20 09:40|| Front Page Top

#15 Cry more , Lumpy Claque7564 , maybe dont come here if you dont like it .. Retard

Posted by Mad Eye 2008-08-20 10:22|| 2008-08-20 10:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Boy, I hope it's not me.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2008-08-20 10:26|| 2008-08-20 10:26|| Front Page Top

#17 I recon hell and put the fires out not only for free but because it is my obligation and the right thing to do. How does that fit into a lumpy head? Go drink some milk, probably looking a little dificiant in vitamin d.

Mods, great work. Gonna pick up another taste of a case of Boulevard Bully! Porter for behind the bar. Mamma wife will make some tea as well just as soon as the sun comes out.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-08-20 11:02|| 2008-08-20 11:02|| Front Page Top

#18 We've got the coordinates of his real posting location.

Hint: he's not from the right wing of the political spectrum.

When you wade into the swampy morass of the tyrannies of central Europe "left" vs. "right" becomes an arbitrary distinction.

The Nazis had all sorts of rationalizations that they were fighting communists and zionists by invading Poland and destroying its army.

Meanwhile, at the same time, the communists were fighting fascism and naziism, by signing the Molotov-Ribbentroff pact and invading Finland, the Baltic States, and the other half of Poland, and massacring what they could capture of the Polish army at Katyn Forest. Really, ask them!

Taken in this context, I'm not suprised to read that we're all race-traitors in western civilization's fight against Islam by not nodding in approval of Putin's irregular's rape-and-pillage act of a Christian nation. It's Just Another Iteration of the process.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-08-20 11:32|| 2008-08-20 11:32|| Front Page Top

#19 You see, all those stupid, over the top comments I've ever posted were from some dumb guy, not me!

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-08-20 11:43|| 2008-08-20 11:43|| Front Page Top

#20 Wanna borrow the 10-gauge, Fred? Don't shoot unless you've got a positive id - I only have nine shells left. Also, if you don't shoot the right barrel first, they both fire.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2008-08-20 11:53|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2008-08-20 11:53|| Front Page Top

#21 I think it's interesting that the troll has such a weak sense of personality that he post using other peoples names.

This could be a sign of mental illness. Maybe he has a hidden secret in his life that he hides from his/her friends and projects onto this sites regulars?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-08-20 12:05|| 2008-08-20 12:05|| Front Page Top

#22 OP, if you run out of shells I know a guy who loads 10ga slugs.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-20 12:30|| 2008-08-20 12:30|| Front Page Top

#23 American left/right are not the same as European left/right... at least at the center of that range. In all cases far left and far right circle back and meet each other in totalitarianism.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-20 13:18|| 2008-08-20 13:18|| Front Page Top

#24 I think Dakota Arms used to sell 10Ga. shells, don't know if they still do.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-08-20 13:42|| 2008-08-20 13:42|| Front Page Top

#25 If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!

Wouldn't that mean that they started out about the size of peppercorns?

Posted by gorb 2008-08-20 15:14|| 2008-08-20 15:14|| Front Page Top

#26 Littlegreenfootballs, Atlas Shrugs and others ran into the same problem, which is: they and Rantburg are attack websites. As such, you offer an explicit invitation to counter-attack. And, clearly your defining purpose is harassment, so you can hardly expect an ISP attorney to do anything to protect you from same. You would have protection against those who cause damage to your honor and reputation, if the purpose of your existence was to do other than that to discernible enemies. Further, you celebrate murder and openly defame. The US Code protects persons who attempt to take down websites like yours. If someone believes that your promotion of inhumanity is unconscionable, they have a right to do anything in response to your challenge. Even in the case of Denial of Service Attacks, you are fair game. You might think that you are good people; others think that your hate promotion is evil.

Your only resort is to control access to the comment pages, thus, removing any explicit or implied invitation to invoke free comment rights. LGF and others made the same idle threats above until they took legal advise. You need to register commentators, or quit the crying. You sound like the murderer who weeps for pity, while he is on the way to the electric chair. Smack yourselves on the head.

Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel. If you take pride in same, then you are rather warped. Play in your insipid little sandbox, but don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations. Again, you set yourselves up as fair game. That's kinda stupid. Run a website that deserves respect.

Posted by Deadeye Whaith7832 2008-08-20 15:34|| 2008-08-20 15:34|| Front Page Top

#27 Oooooooh. And me with no shine on my jackboots...
Does that make me "warped"?

Posted by tu3031 2008-08-20 15:38|| 2008-08-20 15:38|| Front Page Top

#28 The US Code protects persons who attempt to take down websites like yours.

Good try, but better crackers than you have advanced that argument and the courts have ruled otherwise.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-20 15:41|| 2008-08-20 15:41|| Front Page Top

#29 Are there really lawyers who specialize in ISP law? Or does Deadeye Whaith7832 mean lawyers who have ISPs as clients? At any rate, Rantburg is a private website, and the owner, Mr. Pruitt, can move it to any ISP he likes, right? Finally, with all the lawyers who post at or simply read Rantburg, surely a highly effective legal team could be mustered should Mr. Pruitt find it necessary.

Not to mention all the crackerjack IT types who could have great fun if Fred would let them play with "those who try to take down Rantburg," as Deadeye Whaith7832 so gracefully writes. But it wouldn't be nice of me to suggest that, so I won't.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-08-20 15:52|| 2008-08-20 15:52|| Front Page Top

#30 Run a website that deserves respect.

IOW:"run a website the way I want, with dissenting conservative viewpoints eliminated"
Right, ya little lefty fascisti? FOAD.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-20 15:53|| 2008-08-20 15:53|| Front Page Top

#31 "Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel. If you take pride in same, then you are rather warped. Play in your insipid little sandbox, but don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations. Again, you set yourselves up as fair game. That's kinda stupid. "

With a name like "deadeye" it's probably a safe guess as to which one is dead on you....I think they make pills to help with that.

As far as the people who visit post and comment here at Rantburg, I find them to be most enjoyable. They're witty, thought provoking and mostly an enjoyable read on an otherwise mundane MSM day.

Try a little "mental floss" and it my relieve your case of head up the a$$-itis.

Attack website? What would you call your post that all but calls for the takeover of the internet by Orwellian types that knows whats best for us all.

Thanks for stopping by and sharing. P.S. Sorry about the juvenile retort about your pecker.......not!

Posted by mailbu_shrade 2008-08-20 15:59|| 2008-08-20 15:59|| Front Page Top

#32 What is it with mentally ill lefties (a tautology) that they cannot leave other peoples property alone?

The ideas of Marx have seen 100 million plus murdered by their own countries. If you are an advocate of the left then you are a murder lover.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-08-20 16:04|| 2008-08-20 16:04|| Front Page Top

#33 How much "respect of property" should we expect from an unemployed, twenty-something lefty who lives in his mom's basement and trashes private websites using his mom's Internet hook-up. Relax, by 9 p.m. she'll send him up to bed.

Posted by Darrell 2008-08-20 16:27|| 2008-08-20 16:27|| Front Page Top

#34 "clearly your defining purpose is harassment"
I must have missed something. Is this site required reading for Gitmo prisoners?

Posted by Darrell 2008-08-20 16:30|| 2008-08-20 16:30|| Front Page Top

#35 Personally I find the commentators on the burg refreshingly knowledgable. Much more then the alledged 'experts' employed by the MSM (experts in what? Bullshitting?).

As for comments being filtered...

Its my experience that only truely offensive comments get filtered. Either by potty-mouth (such as our troll...) or threats, advocacy of illegal acts, personal attacks, or just going too far. I've seen regular (and very conservative) commentors get sink-trapped. Ive also seen a number of regular liberal commentators taken seriously (Liberalhawk, 'Gentile') - sometimes they have good points.

This is in contract with your typical moveon.org and Daily KOS website which openly advocates illegal acts and the 'taking out' of US Government leaders. Take for example the heart surgery of Bill Clinton - just about everyone here on the Rant wished him well while when Tony's Snow's cancer was announced you could cut the vile comments on KOS and DU with a knife. Truely nasty disgusting comments - which were celebrated by those blogs.

Judge each tree by its fruit.

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-08-20 16:45|| 2008-08-20 16:45|| Front Page Top

#36 Quite frankly, everything was quite informative and proper until about a week ago when there was another inevitable septic wave of uncouth brigands and pompus jackasses like you DW7832.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-08-20 17:11|| 2008-08-20 17:11|| Front Page Top

#37 ive read Little Green Footballs. Ive posted on Little Green Footballs.

Rantburg is no Little Green Footballs. Thank heaven.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 17:31|| 2008-08-20 17:31|| Front Page Top

#38 I'll just note the tip jar is over there in the right sidebar.

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Fred's gonna need a deluxe flyswatter.

Posted by Seafarious 2008-08-20 17:41|| 2008-08-20 17:41|| Front Page Top

#39 dear idiot troll:

Ive posted on here awhile. Im not always in sync 100% with the mod policy here, as LOTP will attest. I think a little more tolerance should be shown a little further left, or (my preference) a little less to certain posters on the right who are still tolerated. Though my realization of the time and effort that good modding takes makes me reluctant to criticize. But A. The owners of the site are NOT at all bigots. They clearly distinguish between members of terrorist groups, officials of rogue states, etc and innocent civilians - their focus is on strategy and politics, and not on the dissection of a religion (as Charles Johnson has been known to do, at least by implication). And they do not tolerate racist commentary, or overtly harshly bigoted commentary. While some commentary goes beyond what I would like to see, to compare this to LGF or to say its mainly about harassment is absurdly incorrect.

The gist of this site, what keeps me coming back, is its news on the nitty - gritty of conflicts around the world, some grabbed from places (like the Pakistani press) I would never make time to search myself. It can be fascinating. And SOME of the commentators can be quite interesting. And many of the folks here are actually open minded enough to listen to a dissenting voice, IF you first make clear the side you are on, and you treat certain things with respect.

I am not a lawyer, but I think your getting into a legal grey area. If you have any grounds, its not some notion of harassing web sites (which this is clearly not) but the nuances of open comments. Well, maybe its time for RB to require registration for comments. I always find it odd, that one of the few blogs WORTH registering for, is one that doesn't require it.

However if you think you advancing the cause of antibigotry by trolling here, I must inform you that in my opinion you are not, and you are only leading, by increasing feelings of censorship and persecution, to the very reactions you probably dislike.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 17:44|| 2008-08-20 17:44|| Front Page Top

#40 Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel

Most of the blogs I can think of that have distintly better comments, are also much quieter. Certainly this compares pretty well to most mass comment blogs on the right or left (or center - The Moderate Voice had some idiots as well) Indeed its not really any worse than Slates "The Fray". Ive seen some amazing nastiness over there.

Hell even TNR, which by all rights should have about the best commentators of any large volume site on the web, gets partisan hackery and veiled bigotry.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 17:52|| 2008-08-20 17:52|| Front Page Top

#41 Also, the Troll is nailing me with reasonable discourse

anyone who has to assert that they are engaging in reasoned discourse, and by imping a host, is scum of the lowest type. But then you know that already, dont you?

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 17:54|| 2008-08-20 17:54|| Front Page Top

#42 looks like the return of the RonTards

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-20 17:54|| 2008-08-20 17:54|| Front Page Top

#43 Happy Hunting, Fred!
If it's coming out of the NY area like last time let me know.

Posted by DanNY">DanNY 2008-08-20 17:55|| newyork.gatheringofeagles.org]">[newyork.gatheringofeagles.org] 2008-08-20 17:55|| Front Page Top

#44 Ive posted on here awhile. Im not always in sync 100% with the mod policy here, as LOTP will attest. I think a little more tolerance should be shown a little further left, or (my preference) a little less to certain posters on the right who are still tolerated. Though my realization of the time and effort that good modding takes makes me reluctant to criticize. But A. The owners of the site are NOT at all bigots. They clearly distinguish between members of terrorist groups, officials of rogue states, etc and innocent civilians - their focus is on strategy and politics, and not on the dissection of a religion (as Charles Johnson has been known to do, at least by implication). And they do not tolerate racist commentary, or overtly harshly bigoted commentary. While some commentary goes beyond what I would like to see, to compare this to LGF or to say its mainly about harassment is absurdly incorrect.

Just wondering, LH, but have you considered that this troll you're responding to is possibly the same recently banned troll who three weeks ago was saying we were all insufficiently anti-Moslem and just starting a week and a half ago saying we were all traitors to western civilization for not showing our support of Czar Vladimir's current pillaging in georgia?

I think you're encouraging him by treating anything he says at face value, because it's probably just another lie.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-08-20 18:23|| 2008-08-20 18:23|| Front Page Top

#45 Next month he'll have another rationalization. Eventually they'll always have been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-08-20 18:25|| 2008-08-20 18:25|| Front Page Top

#46
This troll appears to be affiliated with a Soros-funded activist group.

FWIW.

Posted by lotp 2008-08-20 18:29|| 2008-08-20 18:29|| Front Page Top

#47 Heh,
Better men than you have tried, troll.

None have succeeded.

Give it your best shot, sweetie!

hehehe

Posted by DanNY">DanNY 2008-08-20 18:32|| http://www.nygoe.wordpress.com]">[http://www.nygoe.wordpress.com] 2008-08-20 18:32|| Front Page Top

#48 That is the weirdest interpretation of US law I have ever heard of. If your interpretation is true, then we could conceivably bring down a website whenever one of their commentators celebrate the demise of a political enemy.

Oh wait: Some folks at Huffington Post have done just that. So, I guess if you and your friends bring down rantburg that places huffington post squarely in our sights, doesn't it?

Ill make you a deal: You keep your nukes in your silos, and we will keep ours in our silos.

You can stay in your insular website decrying how we celebrate murder and we will continue to encourage and celebrate military victory after military victory in the war on terror.

I wish someone'd make me such a deal. Helluva deal iffin you ask me.

So now you stand at a crossroads. We did nothing to you to start this hateful campaign of yours.

What's it gonna be?

Posted by badanov 2008-08-20 19:04|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-20 19:04|| Front Page Top

#49 BTW: You can't polish the boots of this badanov:

boris

Posted by badanov 2008-08-20 19:14|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-20 19:14|| Front Page Top

#50 We did nothing to you to start this hateful campaign of yours.

It's not fascism when our betters do it.

Posted by Gabby Cussworth 2008-08-20 19:20|| 2008-08-20 19:20|| Front Page Top

#51 Rantburg is one of the very very few places on the web where I will send money.

That fact alone suggests Fred needs no lessons on respect.

Posted by Skunky Glins 5***">Skunky Glins 5*** 2008-08-20 19:53|| 2008-08-20 19:53|| Front Page Top

#52 "The US Code protects persons who attempt to take down websites like yours"

Cite the proper USC Chapter, Secton and Paragraph for this vigilantism you say is legal.

"Even in the case of Denial of Service Attacks, you are fair game."

"Fair Game"? Spoken like a lock-step leftist True Believer™ or else someone reading from a Scientology propaganda techniques instruction manual.

But, unfortunately for you, it is Not So.

I suggest you look up the NIPC policy on this sort of thing. The penalties of hacking included up to ten years for the first offense and up to twenty years for the second, under title 18 section 1030(a)5A of the U.S. code, as well as other parts of Title 18.

Case law does not support you either -- I refer you to U.S. v. Bret McDanel (C.D. Cal June 25, 2002), Mr. McDanel was convicted under CFAA for maliciously bombarding a company computer system with thousands of e-mail messages. Care to try reversing that precedent in the Federal Courts?

You're obviously completely wrong, once again.

"don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations."

What exactly are these "Fair Reply obligations"? If you claim it as a legal basis or doctrine, produce the legal citation in the US Code for it.

But I'll save you the trouble... Ans: They do not exist.

Yet another example of your fabricating and lying.

If making up entire sets of "laws" is all you have, then you'd best rethink yourself in terms of your self-justification for breaking all sorts of laws. Your [ositions are losers, so you resort to impersonation, spewing nonsense, and attempting disruption and flooding to silence voices you disagree with, instead of engaging in arguments (that you consistently lose).

There are people here who will gut your arguments like a trout if thats the best you can do Gospodin.

In sum: beat it shorty, you lose.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-20 20:38|| 2008-08-20 20:38|| Front Page Top

#53

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-20 20:40|| 2008-08-20 20:40|| Front Page Top

#54 So you plead innocent to the charge of murder and genocide advocacy, even though you do it in this post? Dick-head! Maryland is looking at anti-hate legislation. They are already looking in the right direction. The dirt for brain class won't look very good when Bush bails out the money for nothing lenders. Eight years of stupidity are coming to an end. Gee why did I support that shit? Maybe there is secret advertising at dirt-wing websites?

Posted by Creagum Bourbon8866 2008-08-20 20:48|| 2008-08-20 20:48|| Front Page Top

#55 Ooooh. Is this the setup for one of your virtual show trials? Will those hidden reeducation camps in the middle of nowhere now be under new management? Will the black helicopters now be painted rainbow?

Posted by tu3031 2008-08-20 20:55|| 2008-08-20 20:55|| Front Page Top

#56 There must be an enabling act in Maryland directly attributed to something said or posted at rantburg in order for anything posted to be considered a hate crime applied against rantburg.

Read your law.

You are advocating a Bill of Attainder against Fred and rantburg, which is specifically forbidden in the Constitution and thus in any legislative statute enacted at the state level.

You're gonna hafta to do a while lot better than that.

Posted by badanov 2008-08-20 20:59|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-20 20:59|| Front Page Top

#57 Many Maryland groups are unhappy with the Dirt-Wing government that have saddled the majority with debts. If there is a Fall Session, State legislators will deal with Dirt-Wing groups who advocate murder and genocide.

Old Spook:

Spy a little better. The McDanel case was not appealled, because Federal Prosecutors applied directly to dump that piece of gutter court garbage. The 9th District Court (Cal) flushed that crap without defense pleading. Take a freeking hint, goof. At least one DOJ lawyer was sacked for fiduciary incompetence in that case.

Posted by Snolurong Munster2668 2008-08-20 21:29|| 2008-08-20 21:29|| Front Page Top

#58 facts and law are for the lesser class, apparently. Prosecute these bitches to the limits available.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-08-20 21:31|| 2008-08-20 21:31|| Front Page Top

#59 Creagum Bourbon8866 - are not most of the posts on Daily Kos calls to "eliminate" the right?
Sounds a lot more alarming than anything on Rantburg.

Posted by 3dc 2008-08-20 21:44|| 2008-08-20 21:44|| Front Page Top

#60 Many groups are unhappy with pseudoeducated pseuointellectuals who attempt by bluster to overwhelm those who actually know what they are talking about, Snolurong Munster2668, but are just as unlikely to get legislation actually passed to forbid such behaviour as your unhappy groups. Look at what Reid and Pelosi managed to fail getting passed to see how ineffective your unhappiness is in the world outside your hydrocephalic brain. But you will someday have enough experience to figure that out for yourself, I promise.

In the meantime, has it not occurred to you to be concerned that a real spy has turned his attention in your direction? If you've ever seen a James Bond movie, you know that spies do... things to those they dislike.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-08-20 21:45|| 2008-08-20 21:45|| Front Page Top

#61 And, while at it ... the "have your say" section of the BBC site frequently has posters calling for the USA to be nuked or gassed or worse.... So, do your com-padres plan to have Maryland ban the BBC?

That will go over really well with the WTC.

Posted by 3dc 2008-08-20 21:47|| 2008-08-20 21:47|| Front Page Top

#62 McDanel got his appeal because he was allegedly "helping" by reporting security issues. I happen to agreee with the appeal on that basis, but the consequences of the initial trial are still there as a warning to anyone that even comes close to violating the law in this manner.

Bottom line, and the point of my cite was that you can be convicted for DOS behavior. So go ahead and try your luck with the appellate court - I hope you have good pro-bono lawyers, because its going to cost you a ton either way.

Now to get things back to the situation here

" Section 1030(a)(5)(A) prohibits transmission of code, programs or information with the intent to cause damage to a protected computer. Damage is defined as any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program or system."

What part of that did you not understand?

Its applicable if your intent is malicious, as was certainly stated.

No such excuse of "helping" applies to Denial of Service attacks that are done wiht malicious intent, designed to silence a site due to political views expressed at the site.

Care to try again to justify an illegal act?

And care to produce ANY citations for the other BS that you conveniently ignored?

Yeah, thought not. Go talk to Mr Wonka.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-20 21:58|| 2008-08-20 21:58|| Front Page Top

#63 #44 Youre probably right.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 22:11|| 2008-08-20 22:11|| Front Page Top

#64 btw, Ive been to Annapolis. Ive met Maryland pols. I dont think Rantburg is high on their agenda, truely.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-08-20 22:15|| 2008-08-20 22:15|| Front Page Top

#65 To clarify - even though McDanel was right in what he did, he still served 16 months in prison before the Federales asked the appellate court to reverse the extremely wrong conviction.

That serves as a warning to anyone that believes the law allows DOS attacks.

Recall that it was YOU who stated the law allows for DOS attacks on sites you don't like. Clearly a lie on your part.

Think about it: If they can do that, 16 months in the pen, to an innocent man who acted without malice by mistakenly applying the law badly, then think what they will do to someone like you who is acting in malice and clearly violating the law.

So my point stands, and its quite clear that vigilante DOS attacks are not permitted in the law, not even by would-be lefty little tyrants like you. Again, you lose, despite the little context dropping side trip you tried to get away with (and your glaring lack of any rational response to the original challenges).

New and Improved Mr Wonka says to you, a would-be criminal:

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-20 22:20|| 2008-08-20 22:20|| Front Page Top

#66 Click here for a rather erudite discussion of US statutory code as it applies to the internet...

Posted by badanov 2008-08-20 22:30|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-08-20 22:30|| Front Page Top

#67 Jeatch Bucket6607 - thats what biz a lot of the folks here are in. Why do you think the database is here. Also, lots of SpecOps and Nighttime warriors of the best kind. Think... coin carrying, Uncle Sam sanctions heros...

I've met a few... they are the "good guys" in bad times. Your picking on Uncle Sams favorites. Not a good idea.
You on the other hand appear to be of the yellow bellied sapsucker genre. Not even the flock these wolves protect... rather a tiny bird flitting about...

Begone back to your Seattle left coast lair.

Posted by 3dc 2008-08-20 22:41|| 2008-08-20 22:41|| Front Page Top

#68 Sounds like the Soros funded 'Accountable America' fools are expanding from their threatening letters to direct web site harrassment....

Posted by Muggsy Glink 2008-08-20 23:26|| 2008-08-20 23:26|| Front Page Top

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