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2008-04-25 Home Front: Politix

Illegal Alien Crackdown Will Cost Employers

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Posted by Bobby 2008-04-25 06:39|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 In other words, you can do damned near anything as long as the Right People make enough money.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-04-25 07:14|| 2008-04-25 07:14|| Front Page Top

#2 I think the devil is in the details. That is, they are in effect saying that if you aren't in this particular government database, you have no right to work.

But this particular government database isn't particularly accurate, inclusive or comprehensive.

The raw math is that there are over 300 million Americans. But only about 280 million social security numbers assigned to living Americans. Of these, maybe 220 million are, or have been employed.

Since it's a new database, it might only have 20 or 30 million confirmed SS holders at given jobs. Meaning that for 20 years, at least, it is going to be pretty useless. Even after that time, it may only be up to 50% of employed workers.

The awful assumption of databases is that they are 100% inclusive, 100% comprehensive, and 100% accurate. You're not going to come anywhere close to that at the national level.

Several hundred thousand to as many as a million or two Americans are "blanks". The only records the government has on some of them are police records. They are indistinguishable from non-citizens.

Otherwise, they aren't in the system. But beyond that, there are a buttload of "semi-blanks", for which the government has such little, or so innacurate, data, that they are effectively non-citizens as well.

There is no ability to correct bad information, or even determine if it is bad, and mistakes multiply in the system. The government is a sloppy record keeper, and there is almost no way for a citizen to correct errors in their own records.

This is why identity theft is an increasing nightmare. It is both very easy to do, and takes years to correct. A Kafkaesque nightmare.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-04-25 09:06|| 2008-04-25 09:06|| Front Page Top

#3 It's a load anyway you look at it.

Just remember the pennies saved by the employer who both pockets the difference to line his bank account and the 'savings' passed on, if at all, to the consumer are made up in the form of taxes and fees to pay for the increase in education, welfare and law enforcement costs involved with illegals. All that is occurring is the form the cost takes not whether there is a cost or not.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-04-25 09:22|| 2008-04-25 09:22|| Front Page Top

#4 Better some people who are legit have to fight the Gov't to get their SSNs right than to fail to stop the invasion. The wall won't do it. The only thing that will is to make it impossible for the invaders to survive while here. That means they must be denied the right to work or to receive any benefits. If the lying Democrat sons of whores who pander to the labor movement REALLY cared about the American worker, establishing a loophole-free vetting system would be the FIRST item on their priority list.
The fact that it isn't even ON their priority list more than amply justifies my description of them.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-04-25 09:33|| 2008-04-25 09:33|| Front Page Top

#5 The only real way to fix the problem is to issue a bounty. $200 a head would work nicely.

Posted by Snaviting Wittlesbach5868 2008-04-25 11:43|| 2008-04-25 11:43|| Front Page Top

#6 Whenever the Chamber of Commerce and Labor Unions are in agreement on any legislation it means the majority of American taxpayers will end up taking it in the shorts. Two examples come to mind Increased fuel taxes and Comprehensive Immigration reform.

Posted by DepotGuy 2008-04-25 11:45|| 2008-04-25 11:45|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm beginning to think our government doesn't care about the average American!

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-04-25 11:51|| 2008-04-25 11:51|| Front Page Top

#8 Beginning?

Where ya' been for the last ~~century~~ 30 years, Darth?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-04-25 13:12|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-04-25 13:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Sorry, I was being facetious.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-04-25 13:33|| 2008-04-25 13:33|| Front Page Top

#10 This is crazy, without illegal immigrants, employers would have to pay people crazy-high wages, or even worse, the legal minimum wage.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-04-25 17:55|| 2008-04-25 17:55|| Front Page Top

#11 Hmm..if there were no illegals, there would be no need for 'minimum wage laws', the market, without the presence of unlimited labor, would take care of that.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-04-25 18:07|| 2008-04-25 18:07|| Front Page Top

#12 I know, Darth. Just couldn't resist. ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-04-25 18:45|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-04-25 18:45|| Front Page Top

#13 We must band together and do whatever is necessary to fight the evils of wage inflation!

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