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Why Hillary will never renounce her war vote

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Posted by ryuge 2007-05-09 07:56|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 No matter which way she goes on this the whole contretemps shows her to be both a fool and a liar.

She either lied then and is a fool now, or she was a fool then and is lying now.

But she is a Demonrat after all so I'm just stating the obvious.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2007-05-09 09:38|| 2007-05-09 09:38|| Front Page Top

#2 "Let's begin with the most rational premise, which is that in her heart of hearts, Hillary believes the war was a mistake: No WMDs, we haven't stabilized the country, America's reputation abroad is at a low point and so on. "

She could believe that the war is a mistake because of how Bush waged it, which she could believe is he reason the country hasnt stabilized,etc. Thus she could in her heart of hearts NOT beleive HER vote was a mistake.

"She has said all this repeatedly. She has claimed to be among those duped into voting for the war - a disingenuous claim by most senators but especially coming from the wife of the president who said, in a nationally televised 1998 address, that "the credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program." "

But that was containment force - no fly zones, surgical strikes, etc. We can argue till the cows come home if that was actually sustainable (I lean to the view that it was not) all im saying is that Clintons statement, doesnt mean she wasnt deceived about the WMD situation in 2002/2003. And suppose she was not - was she not deceived, as were all of us, about how unseriously the admin would prosecute this war?

"But she has not said it was a mistake to go to war, and she has not expressed regret for her vote. You know she regrets it, though. After all, if she hadn't decided to play hawk in 2002, she'd be the darling of the netroots activists who are instead seeking an alternative to her "

Now thats really bunk. The Netroots folks despisal of Clintonism is far deeper than Iraq. Its about "triangulation" which goes againt their deep partisanism. Its about NAFTA, which goes against their protectionism and their populist hatred of Wall Street. Its about the Clintons alliance with Goldman Sachs, and Silicon Valley. And, to the extent its about foreign policy, its about the Clintons neo-Wilsoniasm, which they hate. and yes, its about Israel, which the Clintons have long supported.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-05-09 09:43|| 2007-05-09 09:43|| Front Page Top

#3 Everytime the lie is said, I'll keep posting. WMD are chemical, biological, and nuclear. They have indeed found WMD and everyone in Congress knows it. THEY LIE and LIE again. Care to have these held in your town or neighborhood for storage?

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-05-09 12:47|| 2007-05-09 12:47|| Front Page Top

#4 She would renounce her war vote, sell her child, adopt islam as her religion and dump her husband if she thought it would get her elected.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-05-09 13:09|| 2007-05-09 13:09|| Front Page Top

#5 JohnQC, lol.

then the reality of how right you are hit me yeah this is integrity at it's finest

(sick feeling in stomach)

Posted by Jan 2007-05-09 21:58|| 2007-05-09 21:58|| Front Page Top

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