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2006-09-04 Home Front: Culture Wars

Fjordman : How the Feminists War against Boys Paved the Way for Islam

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-04 10:32|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Fjordman nails it again.

Feminism was never really about equality. It was ALWAYS about female superiority. Feminism has always used the French Revolution (and its descendant memes) type of ideology as its foundation, one based in envy and a desire to take power, not see it equally available to all, men and women alike.

Anyone who still is arguing about how to make multiculturalism work is an idiot. Multiculturalism has ALREADY failed. But the left will not and cannot admit it.

The intellectual, political, and academic mandarins of Euroland - the horrible class of 1968 - are completely invested in the house of cards that form the philosophical underpinnings of multi-culti. To acknowledge the now-proven fact that it does not and cannot work would be to give lie to most of what they believe. This would require the very arduous task of rebuilding their world view from the ground up, and in their current ossified and reactionary mode they lack the intellectual courage and/or work ethic to do so.

It's interesting that the same people who believe that a made-up crisis like "global warming" can believe that climate change could move quickly and kill us all in ten or twenty are capable of seeing a crisis like the demographic collapse of the West (which has support of overwhelming empirical data) and be in complete, absolute denial of the fact that Europe is essentially finished in less than four generations.

As I've said here before, Europe has three possibilities by 2100:

1) Successfully and (mostly) peacefully kick the Islamicists out, undergo population collapse, become a depopulated cipher, become a historical afterthought with a tiny economy that contributes little or nothing to humanity.

2) Get taken over by extreme right-wing nationalists, remove theIslamicists by violent means (new holocaust), and end up being a fascistic region.

3) Get inundated by Islamicists who take over Europe and convert it into a Muslim Caliphate.

At this point, there are no other possibilities. Anyone who disagrees, please provide a credible, detailed mechanism on how Europe avoids one of these three fates - if you can't, then your not really debating, you're just wishing, and desperately, at that.

Our great grandchildren will likely have to recolonize Europe in order to rescue it.

Posted by no mo uro 2006-09-04 16:18|| 2006-09-04 16:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Feminism was never really about equality. It was ALWAYS about female superiority.

Not true of all feminism or all feminists. Some of us just wanted not to have to quit our jobs - permanently - when we were 4 months pregnant, as was required in my first professional job. Or to have our bosses offer a promotion if we'd sleep with him, as happened to me twice while I was a 30-something wife and mother who had earned that position by working hard and being damned good at what I did.

I couldn't agree more about the war against boys and its disastrous effects. But don't lay that at the feet of ALL feminists. Those of us who worked harder for less and fought for every promotion chance we got should not be lumped with the leftwing ideologues. We faced real abuses and limitations and the distorting claims of those who followed us should not be allowed to hide that fact.

I have no desire to live in a multiculti society nor one run on leftwing ideological bases. But neither will I go back to what I faced in my 20s -- and if the Right tries it, I will be out fighting them as hard as I am fighting the Left today. The Islamacist sons of bitches will not put my daughter in burkha and neither will the Right wing here do the equivalent in the name of dismantling the abuses of ideological leftists who used feminism as a ruse to advance their cause.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 17:11|| 2006-09-04 17:11|| Front Page Top

#3 What lotp said, although by the time I started working there was no question of my work being judged fairly on the merits. Feminism was originally about women not being legal minors forever in the power of the male head of the household, followed by being able to enter the work world on an equal footing with men (what lotp had to fight for). Some of the early man-hating was legitimately earnt, just as there are Muslim women (and non-Muslim as well -- we Western women have it easy!) who have real reasons to hate the men around them. That the Feminist movement has become the property of the reasonless man-haters is a sign of how much has changed, not a reflection on the primary and secondary goals.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-04 17:55|| 2006-09-04 17:55|| Front Page Top

#4 I think lotp and tw nailed it, but would add the ADD/Ritalin craze is actively damaging boys in favor of pussied classrooms and zombie-like homes. The fads in teaching K-12 (overwhelmingly by woman teachers) do active damage to ALL children, especially the emphasis on self-esteem and "no losers" in sports and competitive games

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-09-04 18:22|| 2006-09-04 18:22|| Front Page Top

#5 No shortage finding guys to try out for the high school football team, though. Funny how quickly all that nonsense wears off when the hormones start coursing through the veins.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-04 18:39|| 2006-09-04 18:39|| Front Page Top

#6 TW and LOTP-

Perhaps I reveal my youth in my post.

Certainly in my lifetime feminism has not been about equality but rather about women dominating men and punishing men alive today for crimes (real and imagined) of men in the past.

The struggles and problems you faced were certainly daunting. But I don't think that rectifying them calls for something called "feminism".

How about gender neutral good old fashioned FAIRNESS AND COMMON SENSE?

Paying people equal amounts for equal work and providing for equality of opportunity isn't feminist, it's just common sense - and it's good business sense, as well. I want the best and brightest working for me. That maximizes my profits. And the thought of hitting on one of my employees seems more ridiculous than repulsive - neither of us can do what we came for if we're dallying, and I've already got a wife. All around waste of time. I didn't need "feminism" to tell me this, just a head for capitalism and a set of priorities.

Posted by no mo uro 2006-09-04 18:44|| 2006-09-04 18:44|| Front Page Top

#7 LOPT - that was a great post except for this: and if the Right tries it,

You are blaming it on the right? Girl, girl, girl. I guess it was only Republican men asking co-workers to sleep with them for promotions and only for, thank god, men on the left like Ted Kennedy that saved you from that fate.

IIRC - the conservative side did warn that working full time and having time for your children might not be as easy as it seemed. And in regards to any other questions of the day - such as girls would be just like boys if given trucks to play with and boys like girls if given dolls- I guess those brilliant discoveries were only resisted by those on the right. And as for all of the other warnings that came out from those terrible women who argued keep the status quo - I hardly think it was just mothers on the right who kept you down or only men on the right who grabbed your boobs.

The women's movement of which you so eloquently speak was never right v/s left - it was about women pioneers, such as yourself, proving by doing that the status quo could be changed and that women could contribute as well as men.

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 19:03|| 2006-09-04 19:03|| Front Page Top

#8 You didn't read carefully, 2b. Shame on you, because I know you are usually careful and thoughtful.

I did NOT blame the obstacles I faced on the Right alone.

I *did* say that if the Right tries to dismantle the hardwon advances women have gained, I would indeed fight them on this.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 19:17|| 2006-09-04 19:17|| Front Page Top

#9 But I don't think that rectifying them calls for something called "feminism".

It did at the time.

How about gender neutral good old fashioned FAIRNESS AND COMMON SENSE?

Paying people equal amounts for equal work and providing for equality of opportunity isn't feminist, it's just common sense

Common sense in your definition was in short supply when I started my career. The prevailing "common sense" was that women were hormone driven, inherently riskier as employees, unable to balance home and work, not intellectually cut out for demanding technical jobs and almost certainly unable or unwilling to rise to the demands of a job that required working until the job was done or travelling.

I was refused a technical job on the grounds that it might require me to work on Saturdays one or two times a year, which was how often the systems shop actually installed updates that had to be done when others were off the mainframe.

The idiot who got it instead not only got the 12% pay raise, he also f*cked up the machine twice when we needed to get info out to the Joint Chiefs' staff.

I didn't need "feminism" to tell me this, just a head for capitalism and a set of priorities.

May I gently suggest that by the time you were in charge of a staff you didn't need this because the world had changed as a result of feminism?

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 19:22|| 2006-09-04 19:22|| Front Page Top

#10 To me, the feminist movement (as opposed to the women's movement) will always be remembered by its crowning moment - Patricia Ireland accepting a six figure check to speak out about a womens right to get ahead by giving head. It's just personal business ya see. Ever wonder about that other girl - you know - the one who didn't get Monica's job even though she was more qualified? I guess you could say she blew it by not blowing it. But hey, that was her own personal choice.

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 19:22|| 2006-09-04 19:22|| Front Page Top

#11 It exasperates me to see people do what you are doing, 2b -- making up your own definition of terms.

The movement = feminism for decades. It was over the abortion issue that feminists divided in the 80s. I was on the streets of Los Angeles in the mid 80s keeping women from being doused with water (and worse) and called horrid names and sometimes threatened and followed to their homes for going into a health clinic.

And at the VERY same time I and some latina women were fighting the lesbian grad students from UCLA for control of the local NOW chapter. We lost, because they tapped into a lot of students who frankly lost interest after the elections. The latinas and I went off and continued to do what we had done for years: help mothers in the barrios with health care for their babies and legal services when they got beat up badly by their husbands.

Don't try to teach me what these words mean: I WAS THERE, in the middle of it.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 19:27|| 2006-09-04 19:27|| Front Page Top

#12 lopt - fair enough. But I would disagree that the right is trying to set back the clock on women working. Now.. as for the Islamofacist movement ....well that's another story!

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 19:33|| 2006-09-04 19:33|| Front Page Top

#13 wait... I am a post behind. I will read and respond in a moment.

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 19:34|| 2006-09-04 19:34|| Front Page Top

#14 And those people stole your movement, and destroyed it. Don't expect us to respect the corpse.

Just like the progressives stole the word liberal, in the beginning of the last century. And the race warriors stole the civil rights movement in the 70s.

Posted by Oldcat 2006-09-04 19:39|| 2006-09-04 19:39|| Front Page Top

#15 race ~~warriors~~ whores

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-09-04 19:40|| 2006-09-04 19:40|| Front Page Top

#16 And those people stole your movement, and destroyed it. Don't expect us to respect the corpse

I don't. I just refuse to let the husk they've created stand for the entirety of what I and many other women worked very hard for.

I refused to put up with snide "you're sleeping with the enemy" shit from arrogant 20-somethings who had never built a marriage, birthed a child, buried a parent or worked at a real job.

I won't put up with the same sort of simplistic ideology from the other side either.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 19:41|| 2006-09-04 19:41|| Front Page Top

#17 In the beginning, it was the feminist movement that did help women from being locked in traditional roles, there is no doubt about it. And the hard work that it took to get there should not be forgotten due to what the "feminist" movement implies today.

The term feminist is sadly associated with elevating gay and lesbian roles and mocking those who chose to stay in traditional roles. It's interesting to hear that you lived that transformation in such a personal manner.

I'm not really arguing with your points - my comment about Monica was snarky but posted in good faith (and before your response). When I hear the word "feminist" I think of gay/lesbian/gender bending raised to a staus above a heterosexual woman who may or may not choose to marry and have a family.

I think "women's movement" is a better term because it was women such as yourself who made it happen. Maybe that's offensive to you because you once called yourself a feminist - and I'm sorry that I was snarky about it. But "feminist" does carry all that baggage of what the movement later became. You are right not to let people skew the history of the very hard work invovled. My apologies.

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 19:50|| 2006-09-04 19:50|| Front Page Top

#18 Thanks, 2b.

It's hard for those who weren't there to understand what we faced and how feminism got hijacked.

But I don't give up the name easily because I paid for it. Those days in the 80s when I protected health clinics? There were BOMBINGS going on then. Women going into clinics and those protecting them were harrassed, threatened, had our cars followed and got threatening phone calls at home. Some of my latina friends got beaten up badly by their husband or relatives just for going for a checkup at the clinic or taking their daughters for one.

I *earned* the right to be called a feminist, just as my blue collar father earned the right to be respected for his work in the early unionization of his industry, where men died in their 40s due to horrific working conditions that were totally unnecessary. He hated what unions later became and fought that; I hate what NOW and its ilk became and fight that.

If I let you define me out of "feminism" then Ireland and her harpy leftists will have won. I'm too stubborn to go along quietly with that.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-04 19:56|| 2006-09-04 19:56|| Front Page Top

#19 lopt, you make a good point.

Posted by 2b 2006-09-04 20:11|| 2006-09-04 20:11|| Front Page Top

#20 lopt, am affraid that there is little you can do to regain the ownership. Same with "liberal", "human rights", "civil liberties"... All these have been hijacked, in one degree or another, by leftist and their totalitarian associates.

Now we have even "al-Qaeda activists". I am curious what MSM would come up next once the "activist" would equate with "terrorist". Already "millitant" has pretty much the same meaning.

Funny thing is that in the official muzzie press they call the "al-Qaeda activists" deviants or misreants and even terrorists.

Posted by twobyfour 2006-09-04 21:39|| 2006-09-04 21:39|| Front Page Top

#21 lotp, as one of the younger ones who only heard the stories, thanks for what you and your friends have done for us and generations yet to come.

And yes, I consider myself to be a feminist, but not in the sense that it is being used today. By the time I was old enough to do anything in the late 80's, the movement had already been taken over by "anti-breeders" who considered abortion something approaching a sacrament, and had far too little concern for any woman who is NOKD (mainly rich, willing to toe the ideological party line, preferably lesbian and white). The suffragettes, if they would have still been alive, would have wept.

BTW, the idea of paying a woman the same money for doing the same exact work as a man....classically feminist. And I thank the classical feminists, not the modern NOW version, every day for their unwillingness to sit and take it so that I could go to college, have the choice and not the obligation to stop working to take care of my son after he is born, and the right to control my reproductive health. (Think I'm kidding about the last one? Hardly. My mother needed my father's permission in 1969 to get her tubes tied after the birth of my brother. Seriously, WTF??? Her uterus was his property under state law. If you wanted to come up with something that could possibly incite man-hating, you couldn't do better than that. Don't act like some of that anti-male attitude wasn't deserved. It did go overboard, but so did the laws like the one I just mentioned that were passed by men to control their women.)

I'm also glad to see that the men of Rantburg think that demanding sexual favors from female employees is a stupid idea, but trust me, it still goes on. You might not get fired for making the complaint, but it is almost always career suicide. It happened to me personally and to one of my close friends. I guess the fact that we didn't get fired is "progress", but we still have trouble seeing it that way.

There's still a lot to be done, but unfortunately NOW and their ilk just are standing in the way and doing what they can to make the average woman's life worse.

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