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2006-05-10 Terror Networks

The Caliphate: One nation, under Allah, with 1.5 billion Muslims

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Posted by john 2006-05-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Slaves of Allah ... try not to catch their atention .. jihad the whole world will be afraid of ... ask them to be ruled by Islam" - be it Secular SOcilaism or God-based Socialism, t'aint Socialist Universalist EQUALISM, DIVA-VERISTY, and CHOICE just muchos grande!? MUST BE NICE TO "MAKE PEOPLE" BELIEVE AND SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO RADICAL ISLAM AND THE GLOBAL CALIPHATE A'FORE ASKING THEM IF THEY WANT TO. Radical Jihad + Caliphate > is as "decentralized" as the USSR and Commie International Proletarian Revolution, which was a nice PC way of saying Soviet-Stalinist Russia, AND ONLY SOVIET-STALINIST RUSSIA, will rule the SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH, future Socialist world.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-05-10 01:08|| 2006-05-10 01:08|| Front Page Top

#2 I say drive theminto the light.

The flash woudl be pretty bright from a multi-megaton thermonuclear warhead over Mecca, and other prime targets.

Folks, this is the war they want - and the war we cannot afford to NOT fight. Islam is a diseased and disordered beleif from a false prophet who promotes violence, lying and hatred.

It must be eradicated.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-05-10 02:05|| 2006-05-10 02:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Totally agree. Islam has nothing to do with religion - it's a hateful brutal ideology unable to coexist with any other and, thus, is worthy of total eradication.

Now I'm curious to see how the moderators will react to plain speech. Normally, they have something of a problem with it.

Look at recent stories... Renewed aid to Hamas? Fluffy bunny offers to Iran to be good? The bizarre case of not classifying the Taliban as terrorists? Absurd objections to Hayden running the CIA because he wears a uniform?

Etc. It's nauseating.

We're losing. On every front which does not have our splendid military already engaged, the politicos are yielding ground, retreating, losing their nerve.

Here in this thread, Oldspook has spoken clearly and plainly. He's perfectly correct, too. No one with a scintilla of honesty can doubt it. No one with a scintilla of honor would redact his words or even threaten to. The truth is sometimes axed here, but not always. Must be a mood thing. I'm in the mood for reciprocating total war against civilization and freedom with total war against those who would destroy or enslave us.

Good post, Oldspook.

Posted by Ebbeaque Ebberesh5104 2006-05-10 02:44|| 2006-05-10 02:44|| Front Page Top

#4 1.5 billion is it now? Last month it was only 1.2 billion. Heck of a growth rate they have there.

Posted by Shearong Phaitle1973 2006-05-10 04:21|| 2006-05-10 04:21|| Front Page Top

#5 I presume that means that the Muslim vote in the UN drops to one vote. I can live with that.

Posted by Bernardz 2006-05-10 05:22|| 2006-05-10 05:22|| Front Page Top

#6 The caliphate didn't stay glued together last time. Why not? How will they put it back together again? All the king's soldiers and all the king's men will be fighting over the pieces of Humpty Dumpty. Like Somalia on a global scale.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-05-10 07:20|| 2006-05-10 07:20|| Front Page Top

#7 If you look at Baghdad as a microcosm of the Islamic world in action, can you imagine how well 1.5 billion of them would get along?

Posted by BrerRabbit 2006-05-10 07:23|| 2006-05-10 07:23|| Front Page Top

#8 "But we want to free all people from being slaves of men and make them slaves of Allah."

I'm not a slave. I will never be a slave. I'm a free man -- you cannot enslave me, you can only kill me. And I guaran-damn-tee a hell of a lot more of them will die before I do.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-05-10 07:48|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-05-10 07:48|| Front Page Top

#9 EE, I think that's an unecessary slur against the mods here. I have posted thousands of times at the Burg and I can be abusive and write outrageous things.

My point being, present a reasonably coherent argument backed by facts and you will have no problem with the mods.

And for the record, I agree with OS, Islam as practiced in many places doesn't qualify as a religion.

Disclaimer: I'm a hardline Athiest, but I have no problem with those believe as long as they don't use coercion on others.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-05-10 07:53|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-05-10 07:53|| Front Page Top

#10 We will loose as long as we rely on our politicians to fight for us. Bunch of spineless sellouts. They can't even stand up to Mexico and protect our own borders. I am really starting to think the only way to turn this around is to clean out our own house first.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-05-10 08:09|| 2006-05-10 08:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Ebbeaque Ebberesh5104, re-read OldSpook's post. He called for defeating Islam by destroying prime targets. You call for total war. OldSpook is precise and polite, your post is rude and insulting.

And while I may be just a little housewife who lives in the suburbs of the Midwest, that doesn't mean I am without whatever you conceive to be honour. Scintillas or otherwise. Which has nothing to do with the moderators acting with the agreement of Mr. Fred Pruitt, founder and sole owner of this private site, through which you choose to track with dung-covered feet.

Were it up to me, you would be banned for rudeness and a presumption of entitlement (quite different from a spirited exchange of views. We all know that there are Muslims who aspire to world conquest, and those who support them, actively or tacitly; Fred established this site to figure out what is going on). We know that OldSpook has extensive experience in the military and in intelligence, and a long history of posting intelligent and insightful comments here. I lived abroad for some years as a corporate wife, and spent even more years hearing the tales of a husband who spent the majority of his career outside the U.S.

Pray tell us what your experience is, that we should listen to your heated words with respect.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-05-10 08:56|| 2006-05-10 08:56|| Front Page Top

#12 Actually the Megatons on Mecca is a bit premature - but it must never be NOT an option. These folks have it written in their books that its OK to rape, lie cheat and steal as long as its for the power of Islam over the unbeliever.

Its an remnant of the development of Islam, where Muhammed waged war aganst the pagans in the Arab world, and the Arab culture it absorbed (the mysogynisitc view,the worship of the Kabaa - an ancient pagan center now at the center of Islam).

The "religion" is in dire need of reform, but is apparently incapable of it.

As such, it must be treated the way one woudl treat a rabid dog: out of safety it must be kept away and controlled until it dies on its own, or it is killed by direct action. Coldly, dispassionately, as one would treat a disease.

The fundamental problem with Islam is that it requires slavery - and slavery to earthly authority and power, in the person of the Imam. thier cultural view is liek that of the ancient arab pagans and babylonians, in which man sacrifices others to the gods in order to please them, and there is a haierarchy of persons with only a leader at the top that talks to god. Even thier vision of heaven shows this: beleivers are promised property in heaven, and slaves of all sorts, including sexual ones (houris) as their reward. This is refelected in their political institutions, top-down and dictatorial, and their religion being materialist and divisive - prone to plunder and looting, not production. No others can be allowed to exist in any meaningful way, because Islam and its pagan power structure cannot survive the challenge.

Contrast that to Judiasm where everyone has a relationship with God as their birthright by way of the covenenant. Or even better, contrast that to Christianity where everyone can talk directly and personally to God - and their own PERSONAL relationship choice with God determines their conversion. These world views bring us governments whre individuals matter - and can directly address their government - and governments whose (original) purpose is to serve the people, not rule the people. And its the people's jobs to fulfill thier potential and imitate God as creators of good on earth. Even athiests are allowed - because Christianity beleives its central truths are stong enough to withstand the challenges.

This is our fundamental culture war:

The ancient beleifes of Islam where man is nothing but stepping stones for power structures topped by a vengeful God who enjoys torturing people in Hell (look up the many passages about the torture in hell for unbeleivers and apostates) and has slaves in heaven,

Or a loving God that allow so much freedom that He allows his creation to reject Him and nail Him to a tree. This side says man is God's greatest creation in His own image and should be treated as such, not as means to somone else's ends.

Time to wake up and realize that we are in a fight for the soul of humanity agains this great evil, unreformed Islam.

If we fight it properly now, we will not be forced to nuke Mecca and other places and kill so many innocents who don't deserve to die because they were misled. If we sit back, eventually we will be faced with just that scenario. The only true course for humanists is to fight evil before it becomes so big that it requires drastic measures to destroy.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-05-10 11:19|| 2006-05-10 11:19|| Front Page Top

#13 If we fight it properly now, we will not be forced to nuke Mecca and other places and kill so many innocents who don't deserve to die because they were misled.

Nukes will ultimately be ineffective. They will kill who they kill, and leave the rest untouched but more p.o.ed.

We need to do to them what Sherman did to Georgia and South Carolina. Everyone, regardless of degree of guilt or involvement, must be made to suffer and regret what they have collectively done. Whether anyone is killed is less important than that there be such immense suffering by all that none ever tolerate a cancer like this in their religion again. Make them howl.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-05-10 11:35|| 2006-05-10 11:35|| Front Page Top

#14 The world has gotten way too damn small. Now everybody, even these kooks, dreams of taking over the whole enchilada - or at least a large part of it. Chavez plots the recreation of Gran Columbia, the Mad Mullahs scheme at creating a Greater Persia, Mexico dreams of expanding back to its pre-1951 boundaries, and Russia and China play at empire (again). The dictators and oligarches of the world arent content just to be rich and corrupt anymore. Everybody wants to be a superpower, except that theres one inconvenient nation in the way: namely, the United States.

What to do, what to do....

The world senses weakness from us, and they KNOW the Europeans are weak. All of the worlds creeps and wannabes are going to try their luck in the next ten years. Its 1938 all over again and the question is: are we up to the challenge?

Posted by Secret Master 2006-05-10 12:33|| 2006-05-10 12:33|| Front Page Top

#15 I had a shuddersome premonition watching the South Tower collapse on 9/11: that this would become a war of annihilation-- the West against Islam-- no matter how hard we and others might try to prevent it. Maybe it will, maybe not; we aren't quite there yet. But that's the direction things seem to be going-- and the pace is quickening.

I'm not optimistic.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-05-10 12:46|| 2006-05-10 12:46|| Front Page Top

#16 Henry the Navigator led Portugal into ocean navigation incrementally around Africa, BECAUSE, they wanted to RAZE MECCA by sea.

They got side tracked by the money to be made hijacking the spice trade.

Posted by 3dc 2006-05-10 14:05|| 2006-05-10 14:05|| Front Page Top

#17 why aint they jus get allan to conker us? bowt tyme that lazeee summoner biatch start fiten his own jihad

Posted by muck4doo 2006-05-10 14:25|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2006-05-10 14:25|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm with you, Mucky, but just like his acolytes, Allan likes to contract out the dirty work to slave labor.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-05-10 14:36|| 2006-05-10 14:36|| Front Page Top

#19 ...Islam as an intellectual call...

Wow, Really?

...if they refuse then we'll ask them to be ruled by Islam...

Wow, Really?

Posted by Ackoopmed 2006-05-10 16:15|| 2006-05-10 16:15|| Front Page Top

#20 This is a microcosm of three unavoidable issues facing the West. I offer my opinion for anyone interested.

1) Is Islam "bad"?

2) Can we fight a "nice war" and win?

3) If not, will we talk ourselves into, or out of, preserving our way of life?

Simple, but complex. Plenty of room in there for a few thousand books, talking-head show appearances and lecture circuit careers. Plenty of grist for the dither mills. Much gnashing of teeth, much hair-splitting and positioning, much ado. The tranzis and politicians and equivalency folks will be frothy with lengthy replies. Some will challenge the questions themselves, claiming it's not that simple. Of course I would disagree, since I think they go straight to the heart and represent precisely what we must determine - or else.

My answers are simple, not at all complex.

1) Islam is no different, in practice, than Nazism, just less honest.

2) No. Anyone saying otherwise has never fought.

3) The rub. Our ability to win militarily is not in doubt, but our will to survive is.

I was infantry and my career spanned Korea and Vietnam. I was a professional killer. You hear a great deal about our souls and the moral high ground these days. From the high ground I discovered you could kill more of the enemy and see the field of battle better. It never helped me sleep better - exhaustion took care of that. You did what you had to do and that was the sum of it. It bore no resemblance to the talk-show nit-picking or book tour posturing that preceded, ran concurrently with, or followed. Endless pointless blather is man's Eternal Golden Braid. If you have ever killed another person, not in hot anger, but with simple calm acknowledgment that it had to be done, you or him, one of us must die, then you understand that 99.99% of what is written and opined is merely pointless hand-wringing or seeking advantage, whether monetary or political. Those who draw lines and stake out positions solve nothing, they just muddy the water and get more good people killed. Eventually, those who aren't professional fools realize what must be done and get on with it - or we, and those we care about, suddenly and very horribly cease to exist. I believe the relatives and friends of those who perished on 9/11 or in the Khobar Towers or onboard the Cole or in Iraq or in Afghanistan would understand with painful clarity.

I'm no sophisticated intellectual and can't debate the merits and minutia of Westphalia. The funny thing is, I wouldn't even if I could, since it would solve nothing. I was, and still am, a plain man. What I know with a stone cold certainty is that when someone is trying to kill me or mine and I can track them back to their lair, then they and all who ally with them, are forfeit. I guarantee you I didn't then, and wouldn't now, lose any sleep over it.

I think that's plain enough.

Posted by Very Old Leg 2006-05-10 16:18|| 2006-05-10 16:18|| Front Page Top

#21 Time to wake up and realize that we are in a fight for the soul of humanity agains this great evil, unreformed Islam.

The "reformed" Islam will have no more validity as a belief system than the current version has. I agree with everything else that Old Spook wrote, but its time we were all honest with ourselves in regard to the fundamental impossibility of reforming a "religion" that is based upon the rantings of a homicidal madman such as Mohammad. Being violent and crazy (as demanded by the alleged "Prophet") is either the Godly way of life, or the entire Koran is a joke--there is no way for Islam to "reform" its way out of this problem.

Posted by Crusader 2006-05-10 16:31|| 2006-05-10 16:31|| Front Page Top

#22 "2) Can we fight a "nice war" and win?"

Nope - not what I'm advocating either. I've seen war and I've beena triggerpuller. Seen what my 7.62 does to humans. And what 120mm APFSDS does to humans inside a T-72m(export) tank. And what MLRS does in its beaten area to poor dumb cannon cockers who got caught in the open by counterbattery they were never expecting.

Better them and theirs than me and mine. But still not a pleasant thing.

I'm saying fight sooner so they are weaker and we incur less casualties on both sides.

The longer we wait, the shorter that lever-arm gets, and the more force will be needed to move the rock.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-05-10 17:03|| 2006-05-10 17:03|| Front Page Top

#23 "they want to recreate the Caliphate"
Only over the dead body of countless millions like me, with access to the most advanced social, medical, technological and military systems this world has ever seen. Such a dream is doomed to failure, its death will be as quite or as violent as necessary.

Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-05-10 17:18|| 2006-05-10 17:18|| Front Page Top

#24 "But we want to free all people from being slaves of men and make them slaves of Allah."

To paraphrase Shakespeare, A slave is a slave and slavery by any other name would stink as horridly.

As others here have noted, this one is for all the marbles, just as it was against the Nazis. The world needs to wake up and understand it faces a threat that would just as soon see everybody on earth dead as see them unconverted to Islam. It's that simple.

Posted by Zenster 2006-05-10 18:57|| 2006-05-10 18:57|| Front Page Top

#25 Once these leaders invite Hizb ut-Tahrir to take power - effectively staging a military coup - the party would then repeat the process in other countries before linking them up to form a revived Caliphate.

Same fatal flaw that's contained in the lust for Communism - complete denial of the human condition.

Posted by Raj 2006-05-10 21:17|| 2006-05-10 21:17|| Front Page Top

#26 Certain members of the Democratic Party could be assigned to this Caliphate as part of an "exchange mission," for which nothing would be received in return. It would be a permanent arrangement.

Posted by Elmart Ebbeating3116 2006-05-10 22:41|| 2006-05-10 22:41|| Front Page Top

#27 BZ has reforming potential

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