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2006-01-08 Fifth Column

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Posted by Seafarious 2006-01-08 02:37|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 History is ideology decorated with facts.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-01-08 04:27|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-01-08 04:27|| Front Page Top

#2 Notice that this bastard who teklls of the "vicious Phalangist militia" men would not object to shaking handds with one of the Palestinin bastards who perpetrated countless atrocities in Lebanon. (cf http://freelebanon.org).

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-01-08 04:41|| 2006-01-08 04:41|| Front Page Top

#3 Why should I throw a stone at the rabbi? He shouts again. "If you throw a stone at me, I will shoot you." But if you throw a stone at me, I say, I won't shoot you. Because I have the right not to shoot you. He frowns. "Then I'd say you're out of your mind."

I just realized...Fisk is an awesome writer.

Posted by Imamski 2006-01-08 05:09|| 2006-01-08 05:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Why should I throw a stone at the rabbi? He shouts again. "If you throw a stone at me, I will shoot you." But if you throw a stone at me, I say, I won't shoot you. Because I have the right not to shoot you. He frowns. "Then I'd say you're out of your mind."

This is hilarious. Fisk, the man whose name is imortalized as the internet word, "fisking" which came about due to his little adventure when a group (of palestinians?) began to attack him and the "cheek turning" Fisk fought back with his fists (or was it his camera).

As for this: I am driving home when it suddenly hits me. The Old and New Testaments have just collided. The rabbi's dad taught him about an eye for an eye - or 20 homes for a stone - whereas Bill Fisk taught me about turning the other cheek. Judaism is bumping against Christianity. So is it any surprise that Judaism and Islam are crashing into each other? For despite all the talk of Christians and Jews being "people of the Book", Muslims are beginning to express ever harsher views of Jews.

Where do you start with the illogic of everything this man writes? "An eye for an eye" equals "20 homes for a stone" shows Christianity bumping up against Islam.... from a man who name is immortalized by turning the other cheek by fighting back? Muslims beginning to express even HARSHER views? Harsher since when? 2,000 years ago?

phil_b - you nailed it.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-08 05:50|| 2006-01-08 05:50|| Front Page Top

#5 Fisk blows one by us:

In the article: Ever afterwards, Israeli embassies around the world would claim that the commission held Sharon only indirectly responsible for the massacre. It was untrue. The last page of the official Israeli report held Sharon "personally responsible"

What the commission actually said: ... In addition, responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defense for not ordering appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the danger of massacre as a condition for the Phalangists' entry into the camps. These blunders constitute the non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defense Minister was charged.

We do not believe that responsibility is to be imputed to the Defense Minister for not ordering the removal of the Phalangists from the camps when the first reports reached him about the acts of killing being committed there. As was detailed above, such reports initially reached the Defense Minister on Friday evening; but at the same time, he had heard from the Chief of Staff that the Phalangists' operation had been halted, that they had been ordered to leave the camps and that their departure would be effected by 5:00 a.m. Saturday. These preventive steps might well have seemed sufficient to the Defense Minister at that time, and it was not his duty to order additional steps to be taken, or to have the departure time moved up, a step which was of doubtful feasibility.

I see nowhere that Sharon did anything other than take responsibility for the massacre even though no Israeli forces were involved and neither he nor the IDF had any control over the Phalangists, no were orders issued from his office directing forces to kill Palestians.

Sabra-Shatilla is an albatross that folks like Fisk and his Islamic allies like to hang around Sharon's neck.

Posted by badanov 2006-01-08 09:36|| http://www.freefirezone.org/cgi-bin/index.pl]">[http://www.freefirezone.org/cgi-bin/index.pl] 2006-01-08 09:36|| Front Page Top

#6 He voted against the peace treaty with Egypt in 1979. He voted against a withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 1985. He opposed Israel's participation in the Madrid peace conference in 1991. He opposed the Knesset plenum vote on the Oslo agreement in 1993. He abstained on a vote for peace with Jordan in 1994. He voted against the Hebron agreement in 1997. He condemned the manner of Israel's retreat from Lebanon in 2000. By 2002, he had built 34 new Jewish colonies on Palestinian land.

None of these agreements he opposed have brought a lasting peace, like they were supposed to. I think the big difference here is Sharon wants to end the wars by winning and then securing Isreal. Anything else would be just holding the terrorists at bay. I imagine Fisk see's Arafat as a statesman. But then Sharon is on his deathbed, no time like the present to kick him while he's down, may the flies of hell decend on you Fisk.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-01-08 09:36|| 2006-01-08 09:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Fisk is a fly from hell.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-08 14:07|| 2006-01-08 14:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Fisk, an English leftie, also justifies 9/11 as "historical forces." This quote from the not conservative Salon, When he was almost killed by an enraged mob of Afghan refugees during the American invasion, Fisk wrote a column saying if he had been in their shoes he too would have attacked any Westerner he saw, which led some readers to send him Christmas cards expressing their disappointment that the Afghans hadn't "finished the job." This sentiment was more or less echoed by the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, which ran an article bearing the subhead "A self-loathing multiculturalist gets his due." The right-wing columnist Mark Steyn wrote of Fisk's column, "you'd have to have a heart of stone not to weep with laughter."

Posted by Bardo 2006-01-08 15:09|| http://www.jtf.org]">[http://www.jtf.org] 2006-01-08 15:09|| Front Page Top

#9 A slaughter of civilians... absolutely forgotten by the MSM enforced collective memory, because it doesn't fit their worldview, zionists = WWII nazis, paleos = WWII jews, West = imperialist warmongerers, islam = religion of the poors (as one french socialist mp put it right before the Afghan campaign),... more deaths than at S&C IIRC, but since the perps were paleos and the victims were worthless lebanese christians (who as fisk reminds us, were "nazi-like" anyway, some kind of vicious rightwingers, as christians always are, as opposed to the peace-loving muslim, or the benign atheist leftists), it's no big deal.
If one had any question about why the phalangists took their revenge on the paleos who started the war that ruined their country... and there was other christians massacres, too.

http://www.flaym.org/Occupied%20Lebanon/damour.htm

http://www.cedarland.org/warpixs2.html

http://www.geocities.com/damour1976/index1.html
(pictures)

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-01-08 15:23|| 2006-01-08 15:23|| Front Page Top

#10 nice shading and spin in the choice of every word written. He's nothing if not single-minded. It's too bad he wasn't made a martyr to himself by the afghans

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-01-08 15:28|| 2006-01-08 15:28|| Front Page Top

#11 It is not clear to me why what Fisk has to say is any more worthy than what Obama has to say. It's hard enough to discern what's really going on from the news media, let alone trying to figure out what these Monday-morning-quarterback attention seekers are up to.

I have no doubt that Sharon was a tough guy who pursued his agenda very aggressively. So what? So was Arafat. So is Assad in Syria. So is Abdullah in Jordan. So is Mubarak in Egypt. It's a tough neighborhood. None of them are "men of peace" when they are threatened, and for Israel that's most of the time.

Posted by Darrell 2006-01-08 15:40|| 2006-01-08 15:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Apart from this maggot propagandist Fisk, I have often wondered why there is no Christian nation in the mideast as vibrant as Israel. Even with its travails they are the fastest growing economy in the world. My question is with the common background which predates Islam why is the mideast christianfrei. Islam controls the largest land mass in the world. Truly no room at the Inn for Christians and Jews.

Of more contemporary relevance this from Frontpage:
These are acutely trying times for the Christian remnant residing in areas âgovernedâ by the Palestinian Authority. Tens of thousands have abandoned their holy sites and ancestral properties to live abroad, while those that remain do so as a beleaguered and dwindling minority. They have faced virtually uninterrupted persecution during the decade since the Oslo peace process began, living amidst a Muslim population that is increasingly xenophobic and restless. Chaos, nepotism, and corruption are endemic. Their plight is, in part, attributable to the influence of Muslim religious law (Sharia) on the inner workings of the Palestinian Authority. Moreover, the Christians have been abandoned by their religious leaders who, instead of protecting them, have chosen to curry favor with the Palestinian leadership.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20583

If the Christian in the mideast is not victim; get a new word for it.

Posted by Bardo 2006-01-08 16:15|| http://www.jtf.org]">[http://www.jtf.org] 2006-01-08 16:15|| Front Page Top

#13 The only country in the MidEast where it is safe to be a Christian is also the only country in the MidEast where it is safe to be a Jew, or for that matter an atheist or a pagan. Israel.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-01-08 20:14|| 2006-01-08 20:14|| Front Page Top

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