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2005-09-21 Britain

Al-Guardian sez ban on Hizb-ut-Tahrir is McCarthyism

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-09-21 00:20|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I like the quote: "The Islamic economic system would provide an answer to poverty" Would if it could and to date surely has not. But, watch me pull a rabbit out of the hat! It works, sorta for some. That is of course if there are huge oil reserves located under the particular islamic types in question. As to Hizb being non-violent, on it's face, yes, it's that but it is more too. Problem is that the slipspeak and slightly subtle meaning behind the words of much of what they place for public consumption is anything but nonviolent. Read Hitler's earlier "nonviolent" political rants. Hindsight allows little to the imagination with Hitler but leave it to AL-GUARDIAN to throw "McCarthyism" into the peace love and understanding Hizb article. Scum. Both. Hizb actively promotes hate and violence albeit not in a crude blunt and completely explicit manner.

Posted by Guardianista X 2005-09-21 00:59|| 2005-09-21 00:59|| Front Page Top

#2 As I talked to these women I realised that what they were saying echoed in certain ways what young people in the 1930s would have said about why they had turned to communism.

In other words, since the boom-boyz make communist noises when talking to avowed communists, the avowed communists don't want to do anything about the boom-boyz.

Many young people in 1930s Britain and America found themselves observing the inertia of an unjust society and decided that the only way forward was through fidelity to a utopian dream. By joining an international movement they found a sense of solidarity and purpose that many held on to even when the ideals were tarnished beyond repair.

Well, yes, but thankfully we were able to defeat Naziism before it rooted itself too deeply into the world.

Oh. Wait. They were talking about that other utopian dream. The one that killed 100,000,000 and is still killing.

I almost said this is "unbelievable", but it's not. This is the leftist world-view in a nutshell: "BUT THEY MEAN WELL!" Never mind that they're
wanna-be totalitarians; their goals are noble. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, right?

("And besides," the Guardianista thinks, "their hatred's directed at the Jews, who deserve it.")

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-21 07:28|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-21 07:28|| Front Page Top

#3 from http://www.heritage.org/Research/RussiaandEurasia/BG1656.cfm

Sheikh Taqiuddin an-Nabhani al Falastini, the founder of Hizb, has written that every Muslim should strive to establish a Caliphate and that this religious imperative (fard) upon the Muslim nation (Umma) is so strong that Mohammad's close allies delayed burying his body until a new Caliph was appointed and the Caliphate established.4 The Caliphate would be led by a Caliph: a supreme, pious leader who would combine religious and political power.5

A Caliph, an-Nabhani believes, is a substitute for Mohammad as both political and religious leader. The Caliph would appoint an Amir, or military leader, who would declare jihad and wage war against all non-believers, including the United States. According to Hizb's political vision, such an entity, if established, would not recognize existing national, regional, tribal, or clan differences and would include all Muslims.

sounds like Al-Guardian's type of organization

Posted by mhw 2005-09-21 07:46|| 2005-09-21 07:46|| Front Page Top

#4 wasn't McCarthy's assertion that the communists were infiltrating hollywood? Didn't the KGB archives validate that?

No one liked the methods, sure. But the US benefited from McCarthyism.

Posted by flash91 2005-09-21 16:34|| 2005-09-21 16:34|| Front Page Top

#5 But the organisation has other faces too.

I hear Hitler liked dogs...

Posted by tu3031 2005-09-21 16:52|| 2005-09-21 16:52|| Front Page Top

#6 LISTEN TO ME FOR ONCE!
THE ANSWER TO POVERTY IS

money.

Posted by Shipman 2005-09-21 18:01|| 2005-09-21 18:01|| Front Page Top

#7 All I can say is, God save us all from Idealismâ¢. Cynicism and hypocrisy are tame and socially productive by comparison.

Fred Pruitt and Rob't. Heinlein: my two favorite writers. :-)

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-21 19:36|| 2005-09-21 19:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Fred Akbar.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-09-21 20:48|| 2005-09-21 20:48|| Front Page Top

#9 Fred---I recomember Christine Keeler, all rightie. She wrote a best ~~cellar~~ seller book, entitled, My Life Under the British Government, with a foreward by Eugene Ivanov and an afterword by John Profumo. Heh.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-09-21 21:54|| 2005-09-21 21:54|| Front Page Top

#10 LOL, AP.

Fred, a classic.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-09-21 23:21|| 2005-09-21 23:21|| Front Page Top

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