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2005-02-07 Terror Networks & Islam

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Posted by Fred 2005-02-07 11:16:19 PM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 A small but influential group of Islamic intellectuals is saying that Muslims should see democracy as compatible with Islam.

The truth is that Zarquawi is right and the intellectuals are wrong: Islam is incompatible with democracy. Just think in the status given to women and minorities, or in the Koranic (not in the haddith, in the Koran) penalties on aposthasy or in the Koranic calls to ethnic cleansing of the Arabic peninsula. Real progress will have be made when people will dare to say: "Fuck Koran. It has only brought us misery" and survive after having said it.

Posted by JFM 2005-02-07 1:40:25 AM|| 2005-02-07 1:40:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 JFM
Well here we go with a little problem with the variations of Islam.

In pre Khomeini Shiite Islam, the rule was that no Mullah could be part of the govt until the coming of their messiah (the 12th Iman) - so in that version of Islam, democracy would be compatible.

Granted that Khomeini changed things so Iran has become an 'islamic paradise'.

Even under the Sunni Caliph, there were times when all the Imans considered government to be too worldly and sat outside the government.

Posted by mhw 2005-02-07 9:54:05 AM|| 2005-02-07 9:54:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Zarqawi does make about as good a villian as can be imagined. A foreign villian who indiscriminately murders Iraqi men, women, and children; declares all voters to be infidels (them's fighting words); and is such a "hands on" leader he insists on doing the beheading himself. Its like he is a cartoon character of a villian. In comparison, Bush looks like an American Dudley Doright. We already know who's going to win - we've seen it before.

Posted by Hank 2005-02-07 3:48:39 PM|| 2005-02-07 3:48:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 MHW

You didn't pay attention. You are talking about government BY the Mullahs. That is not the problem. The problem is that even when governement is in hands of a non-mullah it is supposed to act exactly like it would act if ruled by a Mullah: like make war for spreading Islam, enforcing Shariah or treating non-Muslims
as subhumans. For instance Shariah says that non-Muslims shouldn't be in positions of authority so whenever a sultan or emir tried to put a Christian or Jew in a position of responsability the Mullahs provoked such riots he was forced to abandon the idea. At times, Sultans asked the dhimmi to feign conversion before taking charge. But it meant his children or grand-children would be raised and brainwashed as Muslims.

A nice analogy was Czechoslovaquia during the Stalinist purges: the President, the Party Chief (ie the guy who was supposed to rule Czechoslowaquia) and the Chief of the Secret Services were, along with many others, told to be traitors and executed. In a "normal" state this cannot happen since these guys had all the powers needed to block any investigation (don't mention Watergate, Nixon had not the powers these guys had) and do away with the accusers. But while they gave the orders the fact is that at any moment these orders could be overruled by orders coming from Stalin and that the Czech police, secret service, military would obey the orders coming from Moscow not those from their nominaml bosses.

As I said Islam is incompatible with Democracy: the discriminations I talked about are in the Koran (read it please) and you need to know what the Koran is supposed to be: a book who wasn't created by Allah but who existed alongside with it for all eternity, a book who is supposed to have been given to Muhammad and having being kept completely unaltered (not a single comma added or removed) and who cannot be altered. So when the Koran says: treat the women like this, the dhimmis like that and "remove Christians and Jews from the Arabic pensinula" there is nothing you can say against it, nothing if you are a real Muslim. And if you aren't then you are an apostate and you will be killed

Posted by JFM 2005-02-07 5:49:08 PM|| 2005-02-07 5:49:08 PM|| Front Page Top

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