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2005-02-07 Fifth Column

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Posted by Fred 2005-02-07 10:38:23 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I am trying out how this idiot manages to remember to breathe, and I'm failing. His "arguments," if one would wish to call them that, are a mix between a holy man's wet dream and treacherous, mind-boggling stupidity. I'm all for freedom of speech - but there's a fine line between expressing a dissenting opinion, and treason, and this idiot crossed it.

By the way, last time I checked, there were still Indians around; apparently we suck at genocide.

Posted by The Doctor 2005-02-07 12:24:31 AM|| 2005-02-07 12:24:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Actually, if this guy keeps it up, the Indians might remove him for us. Apparently he's irritated them quite a bit by what he's saying and the fact he claims association with them. They want no part of him.

Posted by Silentbrick 2005-02-07 1:14:06 AM|| 2005-02-07 1:14:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "One of the things I've suggested is that it may be that more 9/11s are necessary."

He wants us to believe this pronouncement has the force of an order for an attack. It is the kind of statement that resonate with many leftwingers; it helps them push their political agenda.

The prof knows he damages us and our resolve to fight and win the WoT with irresponsible statements like this; I suspect CBS and AP know this as well.

Posted by badanov 2005-02-07 1:31:00 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2005-02-07 1:31:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 This guy has no Amerind blood in him at all. I have more in my little finger. He has lots of Red,White and Blue Amerinds very angry with him. I suggest he stay out of New York. Word has it some Mohawks are very angry with him. You know how iron workers can be the meeting might not be peaceful.

I am betting they had specific security threats of the âI am going to burn your *&^ing school down after I kill this clown and you.â variety. When someone is bad news like this fool people quickly see the error of their ways and make strategic cancellations.

The best thing the media can do is ignore this ass. They won't but they should.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-07 1:42:23 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-07 1:42:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Ugh...

Posted by mojo 2005-02-07 1:46:24 AM|| 2005-02-07 1:46:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 The bit I love is how the colleges defend his right to "freedom of speech" or expression, at the very least. Even his own college will denounce him, but won't condemn his speech.

Well, lets see. We could talk about the necessity of killing those slant-eyed buggers, or the dirtskins, or any number of other direct parallels to Churchill's example, and that wouldn't be OK, would it? But if Churchill wants to talk about how Whitey deserves to die, that's all right. Strange, somehow.

For my last thesis I HAD to write papers on the works of Arundhati Roy and Edward Said. In the rough draft I basically ripped them up. I was then informed that I WOULD fail if I continued in that vein. It was "unacceptable" for me to attack the authors' positions as "fact;" instead I was informed I would have to discuss my own feelings and my inadequacy in understanding their position.
A few well-placed footnotes to FIRE regarding academic freedom, freedom of expression, and freedom of religious belief allowed me to pull a B+ out of the ashes.
But isn't there any way to shut down publicly-funded purveyors of Churchill's kind of obscenity? Shouldn't some such method exist?

Posted by Asedwich 2005-02-07 2:10:43 AM|| 2005-02-07 2:10:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 But isn't there any way to shut down publicly-funded purveyors of Churchill's kind of obscenity? Shouldn't some such method exist?

No there isn't an no it shouldn't. This nation as a whole has done an exceptional job over the last two centuries of filtering the BS out of the background noise before falling prey to it. That can only happen if asshats like this and their half-baked nonsense are continually exposed to the bright light of day. No censorship, no academic martyrdom, no witch hunts, nothing of the sort.

For those of us that would like to see a balance restored to debate in the academy, morons like Churchill are a godsend as is the fact that they actually get significant press. This sort of thing will spur change 100x faster than any pressure that could be mounted by the 55% or so of the population lives to the right of center.

Posted by AzCat 2005-02-07 3:17:52 AM|| 2005-02-07 3:17:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I can just imagine if Ward Churchill had been British PM in WWIIâ¦

"We have brought this on ourselves. The women and children killed by the blitzkrieg were all little Bonapartes. Hitler needs to win." And Parliament holds a vote of no confidence in him but the damage is done.

Posted by Korora 2005-02-07 8:27:46 AM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 8:27:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 He looks just like I thought he would.

Posted by JerseyMike 2005-02-07 8:35:28 AM|| 2005-02-07 8:35:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 You figure a couple more taxpayer funded Holocaust deniers might even the playing field a little more, AzCat? Maybe my local university should sponsor a few seminars on white supremacy, or just go the other route and open a La Raza club. (Oh, wait, they aleady have that.)

I figure publicly funded hate speech, and incitement to violence, is a questionably legal use of taxpayer's money for very good reason. I don't see how Churchill helps the mix by saying Americans deserve to die, if not that they should be killed.

Posted by Asedwich 2005-02-07 8:57:43 AM|| 2005-02-07 8:57:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't give a damn what they say in private colleges and universities. However, any operation of the body of the people had better be subject to some standards. We can start by making all these people working in the "welfare for intellects" classification civil servants. They can have CS status for job protection, but be accountable like any other public employee for bad behaviors. It's not like there is a shortage of applicants for the jobs. The existing tenure system ensures institutional entropy.

Posted by Thromoling Threaling9717 2005-02-07 9:07:06 AM|| 2005-02-07 9:07:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 "Another thing that might be necessary is to round up all the people like Ward Churchill and shoot them."

Agreed.

"But that'll probably come two or three 9-11s down the road..."

Screw that. Far as I'm concerned, we can get started first thing in the morning.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-02-07 9:10:50 AM|| 2005-02-07 9:10:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Isn't adocating the cold-blooded targetting and murder of thousands of innocent people (that is what Ward is doing) illegal? Why hasn't he been arrested as a terrorist?

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-02-07 9:30:33 AM|| 2005-02-07 9:30:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 "One of the things I've suggested is that it may be that more 9/11s are necessary."

er, necessary for what? What exactly is supposed to happen after two or three? Does this a**wipe think we'll come around to his way of thinking?

fukim.

Posted by PlanetDan 2005-02-07 9:57:01 AM|| 2005-02-07 9:57:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 That's it. I'm cancelling my subscription to Satya magazine.

Posted by Matt 2005-02-07 10:06:17 AM|| 2005-02-07 10:06:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 in an interview with STFU magazine....

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-07 10:12:51 AM|| 2005-02-07 10:12:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 NYC voted 4 to 1 for John Kerry in the 2004 elections. That's a 60% victory margin for Kerry. I wonder if another 9/11 would change the percentages for the 2008 elections. Nah - wouldn't change a thing.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-07 10:19:12 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 10:19:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Michael Moore criticized the jihadis for attacking NYC, which is infested with liberals. In Moore's view, they should have targeted Republican areas. He could not understand why NYC was hit. But Moore misunderstands why the terrorists attacked NYC - they just wanted to kill as many Americans as possible. The terrorists are as out of sync with liberals and their worldview of easy morals and gay marriage as they are with the conservative worldview of a muscular, national interest-oriented foreign policy. The reality is that the target-rich environments in America are its urban centers, which are almost always hotbeds of liberalism. If Churchill's hopes and wishes come true, a lot of liberals are going to die, and the vast majority of them are going to be liberals (NYC's ratio was 8 to 2).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-07 10:28:06 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 10:28:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 If Churchill's hopes and wishes come true, a lot of ~~liberals~~ urban-dwellers are going to die, and the vast majority of them are going to be liberals (NYC's ratio was 8 to 2).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-07 10:48:02 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 10:48:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 "One of the things Iâve suggested is that it may be that more 9/11s are necessary."

Just the occurrence of one more 9/11/2001 will have the effect of making this guy's life very, very difficult, to say the least.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-07 11:19:07 AM|| 2005-02-07 11:19:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Isn't adocating the cold-blooded targetting and murder of thousands of innocent people (that is what Ward is doing) illegal? Why hasn't he been arrested as a terrorist?

CF, it is undeniably stupid and ignorant. Hateful, yes. However, until someone actually kills another human being and states that Churchill's verbal vomit riled him up to the point that he had to carry it out, nope, nothing criminal here.

Since your average jihadi knows he's not going to get his 72 raisins of clarity until he kills for Allah, it is highly unlikely anyone is going to say this Indian-wannabe inspired them to attempt another 9/11.

Now, if someone, say, who had a relative die in 9/11 were to pop his ass, he might, and I repeat might be able to say that Churchill's ignorant mewlings pushed them over the edge. (The ol' "fighting words" defense) They might get reduced charges/sentence, but even that wouldn't get them off scot free.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-07 11:35:52 AM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 11:35:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 What a fool. If I was an American Indian this poser would tick me off to no end.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-02-07 12:10:59 PM|| 2005-02-07 12:10:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 "One of the things I've suggested is that it may be that more 9/11s are necessary."

Taking that sentence out of context, let's face it, how many of us have agreed? We're not going to wake up and get serious until more of us die.

Posted by anonymous2u 2005-02-07 1:46:25 PM|| 2005-02-07 1:46:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 anonymous2u - That is a lame attempt at sarcasm, right?

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-07 2:05:31 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 2:05:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 DB: anonymous2u - That is a lame attempt at sarcasm, right?

He's saying we won't wake up until it's too late. Our politically-correct overtures to the UN and to Islam are the political equivalent of hitting the snooze button.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-07 2:09:13 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-07 2:09:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Saw the Governor of Colorado and, I think, the Chairman of the University Board of Regents on one of the Sunday news shows and they said that Churchill was being investigated and by the end of the month, after due process had been observed, they hoped that he would be fired.

Posted by RWV 2005-02-07 2:28:29 PM|| 2005-02-07 2:28:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 His just desserts for saying such a hateful thing have just begun. He will be vilified by millions of Americans for his hateful blame of our beautiful country, and his life at the U, tenured or not, will never be the same.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-02-07 2:46:44 PM|| 2005-02-07 2:46:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Satya identifies Churchill as a Cherokee and a longtime native rights activist.

Sequoyah, who developed the Cherokee Alphabet is spinning in his grave...

Posted by BigEd 2005-02-07 3:22:50 PM|| 2005-02-07 3:22:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 The guy's an asshole, a fraud, and a self-loathing little prick worthy of LLL super star status. Yet, I believe he has a right to say stupid moronic blather in the same way any other moron in this great country can. Our country and the ideals it was founded are bigger then this one "wannabe" injun. As someone who defends these ideals daily w/real blood I don't respect this pompous ass one bit, he's never put himself on the line, however, I don't want to stifle someone's first amendment rights because I think they personally suck as a human being or say un-intelligent shit. The free market will usually make them pay for their shortcomings.

If your worried about your tax money going to public institutions that employ a schmuck such as this then write them a letter or make a call to the dean *or* you can censure him by ignoring him (what a narcsisist like this wants most is spotlight; see William Jefferson Clinton or Michael Moore for reference), or not buying his books or boycotting his irrelevant seminars - which seems to be what most of these schools are doing. He has already been given too much publicity imho for his non-sensical bomb-throwing.

Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-07 3:27:45 PM|| 2005-02-07 3:27:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 BTW, I thought his pic up top looks like John Kerry in a bad wig. Just an observation.

Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-07 3:30:49 PM|| 2005-02-07 3:30:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 if they wouldn't give this fool airtime he would stop talking. where is a good killer when one is really needed?

Posted by Thraing Hupoluper1864 2005-02-07 4:25:53 PM|| 2005-02-07 4:25:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 I have an odd question. How often does a death threat actually turn into an attempt? If I really wanted to kill someone the last thing I'd do is send a warning out first. Odds are a death threat is a way to scare the tar out of someone without actually having to get close and do the deed.

Posted by rjschwarz 2005-02-07 4:32:32 PM|| [http://rjschwarz.com] 2005-02-07 4:32:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Asedwich you're missing my point entirely. Churchillâs statements are obviously deplorable and beneath contempt but that doesn't mean that the best course of action in attempting to improve the quality of debate in the academy is to go after individuals like Churchill.

He isn't the problem in higher education he's a symptom of a system that's very ill. But before the larger systemic issues can be corrected they must first be publicized and, let's face it, start talking about crazy college professors, academic freedom, and free speech rights in the academy and 99% of the population will be asleep before the end of your second sentence.

Asshats like Churchill shouldn't be silenced, they should be given megaphones so that the entire population of this nation can clearly see for themselves the dire state of professoriate in our institutions of higher learning. Firing him is like putting a Band-Aid on each new patch of leprosy as it crops up, it might appear to be something of a good idea but in the end it's merely a pointless exercise that will make us feel better but wonât do a darned thing about the real problem.

Posted by AzCat 2005-02-07 4:38:09 PM|| 2005-02-07 4:38:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Heh, I think I understand all of your points, guys, but for my part I live in Washington. When Churchill's ilk speak such things here it isn't really something we can write our state representative about: 55% of the state are already on the side of lunacy, and such words egg them on more than they disgust.
I do understand your point, AzCat, about Churchill being an example of the illness in our academia, but my contention is that it's a matter of magnitude. Public education at the university level is currently about 70% LLL, give or take a few asshats, and although people whine about it it's a testament to our American commitment to freedom that we don't legislate against the preferential hiring, suppression of conservative speech, institution of biased "public speech codes," or ethnic discrimination against the "non-ethnic" white student bodies.
But what do we do when tenured faculty start advocating the destruction of the United States, the annilation of Anglos, and using University property and publishing presses to carry the message? As you say, we could give them megaphones, but I figure that the people inclined to be swayed will be all the more inclined and widely reached, and the people on the other side (you and me) will do what? Hang tight, and wait for an anguished tide of outrage that will also hang tight and do nothing against the like of Churchill?
My point is that I feel academic freedom for educators can be an end run around all the limitations and checks and balances that prevent political and religious campaigning by state or federal employees on public property, on the public dime, and in violation of the public good. Perhaps it's not a question of limiting academic freedom, or freedom of speech, but of limiting the realm of the possible to a more egalitarian exchange of views, with freedom for opposing views.
We seem to already have enough academic asshats vilifying Republicans, western religions, and heterosexuals---it doesn't look like adding the destruction of American civilization will add any more weight to their side of a very slanted scale. Heck, they might win.

Posted by Asedwich 2005-02-07 8:37:22 PM|| 2005-02-07 8:37:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 BTW, regards his claim to be a Cherokee, they have "adopted" many tribes who are too small or survive in too few numbers to have a political voice, inflating theirs.

Were it not for the statement that AIM has spurned him, I might even buy Cherokee membership - they've hoovered up everyone they can. I was offered "citizenship" in the "Cherokee Nation" - and told them, "No thanks - I'm an American, can you compete with that?" The response was a litany of advantages, mainly of the Federal Affirmative Action type. I found it to be as unAmerican as this assclown. I hope he pays heavily in the real world, since we all know he'll be picked up by some MoonBat Foundation and catapulted to celebrity status in their fevered circles.

Posted by .com 2005-02-07 10:01:42 PM|| 2005-02-07 10:01:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 On the subject of popping people: threatening a person with bodily harm or death without cause is Assault in the 4th degree. I had a one of my employees years ago call around saying that he was going over to kill me. He then called me, stating that fact. I said, "come on over." Then called the cops. They arrested him and he went to jail for a while. He apologized to me and said that he was drunk at the time. I told him that I was sitting in my apartment with a loaded shotgun. We came to an understanding and parted on friendly terms.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-02-07 10:35:50 PM|| 2005-02-07 10:35:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 IOWAHAWK has a very good (and funny) posting on this guy based on Chutch an old ABC 'superhippie' (as in Billy Jack) show.... GO SEE IT!

Posted by CRazyFool 2005-02-07 11:22:05 PM|| 2005-02-07 11:22:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 CF - LOL! That deserves a separate posting - after rollover...

"Then try to snatch the grant proposal from my hand."

ROFLMAO!!!

Posted by .com 2005-02-07 11:45:38 PM|| 2005-02-07 11:45:38 PM|| Front Page Top

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