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2005-01-28 Iraq-Jordan

Iraqi scientist sez Gulf War stopped nuclear program

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-01-28 12:36:10 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Ah, whatever sells his book.

Posted by Dishman 2005-01-28 2:46:00 AM|| 2005-01-28 2:46:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The invasion sparked the U.S.-led Operation Desert Storm in 1991, which drove Iraq out of Kuwait and marked the end of Baghdadâs nuclear and biological weapons program, said Jafar Dhia Jafar, the scientific head of Iraqâs nuclear weapons program.(Jafar )is considered the father of Iraqâs nuclear program. The British-educated scientist, with a doctorate in physics from the University of Birmingham.
It seems this guy has enough credentials to earn money in his field without peddling lies. Why disbelieve him, considering that no WMD were found in Iraq this time round. I'd say that is evidence enough that he is not lying. He lived in Iraq right up until the US invasion in 2003.

Doug Feith is lucky he is not being prosecuted for criminal negligence. What a screw up he turned out to be.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 4:43:42 AM|| 2005-01-28 4:43:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Well 2x is you read a little further he exposes himself for what he truly believes.
"The British-educated scientist, with a doctorate in physics from the University of Birmingham, said the quest for nuclear weapons began with Israeli warplanes bombing the legal Iraqi nuclear reactor at Tuwaitha, near Baghdad, where he had worked, in June 1981."

So you see, according to Jafar Dhia Jafar, it is the Jews fault Sadam started a nuclear weapons program.

Posted by TomAnon 2005-01-28 8:10:21 AM|| 2005-01-28 8:10:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 So you see, according to Jafar Dhia Jafar, it is the Jews fault Sadam started a nuclear weapons program.

Huh? Maybe in your paranoid mind Jafar said it was the "Jew's fault." Perhaps it might be helpful if you read articles in their entirety and with a modicum of objectivity and reason without using your it's the Jew's fault default button.

Jafar said that Iraq started the illegal development of nuclear weapons in earnest after the Israelis bombed the Iraq nuclear reactor at Tuwaitha, which he says did not violate the non proliferations of nuclear weapons treaty at the time of Israeli bombing in 1981.

Now I'll grant you that Iraq may very well have moved along in that direction anyways. Saddam is a certifable crazy, but all Jabar is saying is that as of June 1981, it represented a turning point, to his mind, when Iraqi leadership could rationalize to their scientific community why the NPT should not be observed and in fact he fully admits that by 1986 the nuclear weapons program had become top secret and moved beyond the terms of the NPT.

How does Jafar lose credibility for simply recounting the historical sequence of events? He goes on to say that Gulf War I stopped Iraq dead in its tracks from emerging as a fully armed nuclear power with a biological arsenal as well, which he feels would have happened by 1993 or 1994.

What you are not fully comprehending, because you insist on focusing on the stereo typical navel gazing it's all about the Jews, is that this head honcho of Iraq's former nuclear and bio WMD program is saying that our Mr. Dumbest Person in the World Feith led Congress and the WH into a war based on his idiotic analysis of WMD in Iraq when no such programs existed after Gulf War I according to the scientist who lived in Iraq up until 2003. What you are choosing to ignore is that Jafar is fully admitting culpability in Iraq's quest to establish itself as a nuclear weapons power in the years from 1981-1990, but that Iraq's goals were smashed by the invasion of UN coalition countries in Gulf War I and that Mr. Dumbest Person in the World Feith's incompetent analysis of Saddam's WMD program was grossly erroneous.

You don't see a need for someone to be held accountable for this egregious error in judgement?

One of the major reasons the American public approved our invading Iraq was because of the threat from WMD, yet the American team of weapons inspectors could find anything to sustantiate the this WMD claim.

How would you like it if a physician said that he needed to remove your testicles or breasts, (depending on your sex) because of cancer threatening your life. Then later the biopsy showed perfectly healthy organs. Would you just say, oh well, an honest mistake, better safe than sorry, maybe in the future I might have developed cancer in these organs, who knows. I'll bet 100% of you would sue the pants of the MD and even try to put him in jail for criminal negligence.

And let's think about the penalty the GI's got for putting panties on the heads of POW's,many of whom were bad guys anyways, oh the outrage at such stupidity, such embaressment for oyur nation. And yet no one thinks there should be any consequences for Feith's gross negligence that has contributed to considerable loss of US military lives and US capital. He is allowed to shuffle off into the sunset with a full retirement package while Garner spends 10 years in Leavensworth for the unthinkable crime of putting panties on the heads of Iraqi insurgents.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 2:58:12 PM|| 2005-01-28 2:58:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 2xstandard: How would you like it if a physician said that he needed to remove your testicles or breasts, (depending on your sex) because of cancer threatening your life. Then later the biopsy showed perfectly healthy organs. Would you just say, oh well, an honest mistake, better safe than sorry, maybe in the future I might have developed cancer in these organs, who knows. I'll bet 100% of you would sue the pants of the MD and even try to put him in jail for criminal negligence.

The appropriate analogy is not that of a patient being operated on. We did not go into Iraq to rescue the Iraqi people. Iraq was like a known felon wanted on multiple murder counts who was holding what appeared to be a gun. We could have trusted what he said, which was that he wasn't holding a gun or that the gun wasn't loaded. Or we could have chosen to take the gun away from him. We chose the latter, and discovered that he either wasn't actually holding a gun, or that he had hidden the gun somewhere else. If the weapon in question (a nuclear bomb) had been detonated in Manhattan, hundreds of thousands of people and hundreds of billions in infrastructure would have been vaporized. The question is whether we should have trusted Saddam's goodwill, or acted based on our instincts and the fact that the political clock was running out.*

Besides, we did not go into Iraq exclusively or primarily because of WMD's - that's just what the media has chosen to focus on, because it opposes the invasion of Iraq. The irony is that if Iraq had nukes, we wouldn't have invaded. That's the reality, and a key reason why we haven't attacked North Korea.

We went into Iraq for the same reason we went into our other wars (including WWI and WWII) - to preserve American security interests - a key aspect of which involves deterring Muslim countries from tolerating or actively backing anti-American terrorists. However, I have no objection to Muslim countries thinking that the WMD claim was a lie - this enhances the deterrent effect, showing Muslim countries that the US will invent any pretext to retaliate against Muslim countries that are suspected of harboring terrorists.

* The political clock has to do with the length of time after 9/11. If Saddam had developed a weapon unmolested and detonated it in NYC six years after 9/11, would it have comforted the victims' loved ones for them to hear that Saddam couldn't be attacked because the political clock had run out?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-01-28 5:45:43 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-01-28 5:45:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I beg to differ with you, ZF. There were a number of countries that were more clearly known to be ticking time bombs,dangerous to American interests. Iraq in fact was probably less the ticking time bomb of all of them. You can argue the merits of the different reasons that Iraq was selected, but you are fooling yourself if you think anything other the threat of WMD was the tip factor for ordinary citizens on the street. You think Saddam breaking UN reolutions got ordinary Americans on the street up in arms? Most Americans have zero respect for the UN anyways - they see it as a corrupt bureaucracy that gets their tax $ for doing nothing and has its butt pasted to valuable real estate in NYC to boot.

WMD was what caught the attention of the majority of American citizens. Don't kid yourself or me.

My point is the man who produced the flawed analysis about the WMD threat should be held accountable for his gross negligence. If Feith were in private industry, he would at the very least be summarily fired for his incompetence. If he were a physician who showed impaired judgement, he would be sued at the very least if not tried for criminal negligence as well.

I believe Feith should be summarily fired and perhaps even prosecuted in the same way that the gov't followed through on soldiers' errors in judgement, unprofessional conduct. Instead Feith is being allowed to fade away into the sunset, when it is becoming more obvious each day that he is directly responsible for a gigantic screw up. He was hired and paid by taxpayer's money to perform certain services. There was an assumption of competence. The DOD is not a family business where all is forgiven if Aunt Mamie forgets to pay the electricity bill. This is not an oops incident on Feith's part.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 7:23:48 PM|| 2005-01-28 7:23:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 I suppose Feith convinced Tony Blair too, all by himself.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-01-28 7:34:31 PM|| 2005-01-28 7:34:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I suppose Feith convinced Tony Blair too, all by himself
How is that relevant to Feith's negligence while in the employment of US taxpayers? Focus, please, mrs. davis.

Perhaps you'd like Mr. Stupidist a** in the world Feith to get awarded a Medal of Honor? Hey why not, the other incompetent doofus got one. Maybe it's the latest fad in America - reward incompetence, don't punish it. Incompetence is what makes nations great after all.

On the other hand, Tenet didn't do much damage after snoozing thru 9/11, but Mr. Stupidist a** in the world Feith is said to be applying his infamous analytic skills yet again by evaluating the nuclear threat that Iran poses to US interests. Oh yes, this bodes well, I'll say.

Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-28 8:04:14 PM|| 2005-01-28 8:04:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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