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2004-09-07 Iraq-Jordan

Anti Sadr Rally drew thousands, ignored by MsM

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Posted by mhw 2004-09-07 8:34:48 AM|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 WHere is the MSM on this? Were it an ANTI-US rally, it would be screaming all over the headlines.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-09-07 8:57:39 AM|| 2004-09-07 8:57:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Because it would not quite fit the template, Old Spook. Those of you in battleground states, let your acquaintances know.
Plus, this news comes from an Iraqi blogger. We all know bloggers never went to J-school; can't be legit sources, you know. That's why the Sunday talking heads never have these guys on. The fact he's Iraqi reporting favorable news on the Iraqi street means he's in the pockets of Allawi/Bush.

Posted by chicago mike 2004-09-07 9:23:48 AM|| 2004-09-07 9:23:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Prior to the war, I noted that the MSM, particularly NPR and BBC, had dropped all pretenses of "reporting", pulling out all stops in the hopes of swaying public opinion against the war. They failed. Now they have even stripped away pretenses further and have stooped to the level of outright propaganda and shilling for the enemy.

If I had stock in any of these entities, I would sell them. These guys are clearly going for broke - and with the advent of the internet - I believe they are incapable of succeeding financially in the 21st century.

I do fear however, that if they achieve their goal of electing Kerry - they can enact legislation to fund themselves as well as allow more foreign funding - and that that is why we see them so willing, to not only embrace Goebbels, but do him one better.

Not everyone reads rantburg. We should feel concerned.

Posted by B 2004-09-07 9:26:53 AM|| 2004-09-07 9:26:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#4
Where does the word "thousands" come from?
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 10:38:54 AM|| 2004-09-07 10:38:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Mike, what's your point? Did you look at the pictures?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-09-07 10:59:14 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-09-07 10:59:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#6
I did look at the pictures. I don't see thousands.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 11:10:52 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:10:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 i mentioned this on a more "centrist" site. The response from the Iraq-pessimists is that Najaf is the bastion of Sistani support, and so is particularly anti-Sadr, but that Sadr has stronger support elsewhere, especially in Sadr City and Basra. I think theres growing opposition to Sadr in those places too, but its not nearly as dramatic as in Najaf.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-09-07 11:12:30 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:12:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I did look at the pictures. I don't see thousands.

Again, what's your point? Do you honestly doubt there were thousands?

And why do you care?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-09-07 11:13:59 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-09-07 11:13:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#9
It seems to me that the word "thousands" doesn't come from anywhere -- not from any words and not from any pictures.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 11:33:06 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:33:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 I estimated it as 'thousands' based on extrapolation of the pictures.

The title could have been

"Well attended Anti Sadr rally ignored by MsM"

or

"Anti Sadr rally ignored by MsM"

or many other things

Posted by mhw 2004-09-07 11:50:53 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:50:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#11
That's some extrapolation, mhw. It might also have been "Demonstration by 100 people ignored by MSM".
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 11:59:09 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:59:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Thousands, hundreds - who cares? If it had been "ones", and anti-American - MSM would have made the photos front page news.

Shareholders beware - dump that MSM stock now. They are going to tank just like the Tech stocks did in 2000. Get out while there is something to be gotten.

Posted by B 2004-09-07 12:09:34 PM|| 2004-09-07 12:09:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#13
It's kind of ironic that some critics of the "main-stream media" casually concoct information with no regard to truth and accuracy.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 12:23:44 PM|| 2004-09-07 12:23:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 kinda ironic that you would say that, Mike S

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-07 12:52:22 PM|| 2004-09-07 12:52:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Kinda *typical*, that when someone is correct and you can't actually dispute what they say, you immediately use a personal jibe instead, Frank.

Stopping inventing elements and then presenting them as factual would be a good step for someone to take before they criticize for media for *anything* at all.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-09-07 1:14:31 PM|| 2004-09-07 1:14:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 It's kind of ironic that some critics of the "main-stream media" casually concoct information with no regard to truth and accuracy.

It happens less often than with the press itself.

(And this is more evidence that Mike's a member of the press. He's very defensive about this stuff.)

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-09-07 1:27:58 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-09-07 1:27:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Mike,

I don't think my extrapolation is unreasonable. From the pictures you can get an estimate of the size of the public area in which the anti Sadr demo took place. It looks to me to be at least 300ft by 200 ft (possible more). Also from the pictures, it seems that most of the public area was crowded with anti Sadr people. So, even if only a quarter of the area was covered with people (a conservative estimate required since the photos were going to be taken of where the action was) there would be 15,000 sq ft of anti Sadr people with at least 1 person for every 6 sq ft (the 1 person per 6 ft sq is about a typical demo in the US and seems to fit the images) That gives 2,500 anti Sadr demonstrators.

I grant that we don't know the exact size.

Posted by mhw 2004-09-07 1:56:09 PM|| 2004-09-07 1:56:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#18
Your sins are forgiven, mhw. Go and sin no more.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-09-07 3:32:39 PM|| 2004-09-07 3:32:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 And the best joke in this entire thread is that he's not being cute or funny. He means it. Father Mike has spoken.

Posted by .com 2004-09-07 3:37:37 PM|| 2004-09-07 3:37:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Kinda *typical*, that when someone is correct and you can't actually dispute what they say, you immediately use a personal jibe instead, Frank. Stopping inventing elements and then presenting them as factual would be a good step for someone to take before they criticize for media for *anything* at all.

;-) Aris in my world we call what you just did: projection. Who's correct? As defined by you? Mike S. ? Puhlllleeaassse, you're killing me here lol

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-07 3:39:34 PM|| 2004-09-07 3:39:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 LOL. I feel better now, refreshed somehow. Is Spencer Tracy on this thread?

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-07 6:01:20 PM|| 2004-09-07 6:01:20 PM|| Front Page Top

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