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2004-06-09 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-06-09 1:19:10 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Dang it Fred, I swear I said page2....can you change it please...

Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-06-09 1:20:21 AM|| 2004-06-09 1:20:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "Kerry, a Roman Catholic"

They misphrased this: "Kerry, a non-practicing Roman Catholic,"

Or "Kerry, a former Roman Catholic, no longer in communion with the Church"

Or...

"Kerry, a supposed Roman Catholic who has abandoned and opposed the teachings and doctrines of the Church on homosexuality and abortion..."

Or... (being truthful)

Kerry, the opportunist, who poses as a Roman Catholic when politcally expedient...

Posted by OldSpook 2004-06-09 1:30:24 AM|| 2004-06-09 1:30:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 OS - Mormons who don't follow the teachings are derisively called Jack-Mormons - no offence to Jack(s) out there. What's the really good snarky Catholic equivalent? Surely you guys have one! Something like Cathys? If there isn't one, you need to coin a phrase, making it really an insider sort of thing, cuz we have a Loonie Left Catholic component who has been given mucho sympathetic press - they all need a solid come-uppance!

My Grandfather always said, "An honest man always keeps the paperwork current." Meaning if you wanna fool around, get a divorce first. If you're not really a [insert noun here], then be man enough to make it official. Kerry, Pelosi, et al are cowards and hypocrites.

Posted by .com 2004-06-09 1:47:15 AM|| 2004-06-09 1:47:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 'Liberation theology' was and still is primarily a Catholic movement ... we've heard less of them lately compared to the 70s-80s, but they are still strong in many places.

The Protestants had 'situational ethics' instead.

Sigh.

Posted by MDiv 2004-06-09 6:41:26 AM|| 2004-06-09 6:41:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 .com, there's always Matthew Fox ... Google "techno-cosmic Masses", I'm serious :P

Or Cardinal Bernardin ... McCarrick's an "eh", but Sean O'Malley seems like the type who's orthodox and just doesn't want to get caught at it ... (although he said that preaching the Word > public relations)

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-06-09 6:57:07 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-06-09 6:57:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Archbishop Burke (St. Louis) is a definite "ortho", Cardinal Mahoney of LA is a confirmed wacko (maybe that's why Mel Gibson set up Holy Family in Malibu, to be outside of his clutches?), and the jury's still out on Edward Cardinal Egan ...

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-06-09 6:58:45 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-06-09 6:58:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Ditto for Denver's -- whoever that is.

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-06-09 6:58:58 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-06-09 6:58:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 EY - So do you have a nifty insider-styled term for Catholics who don't practice Catholicism as promulgated by the Holy See? Sorry - I don't know how else to put it - I'm not a Catholic and don't know diddley-squat - so I just parroted a line I'd read or heard somewhere, lol!

But do you? "Ortho" and "Wacko" do not get a "A" for spiffiness, IMHO!

CathoLibs? Sorry! You guys have to be better at this than me!

Posted by .com 2004-06-09 7:44:37 AM|| 2004-06-09 7:44:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Once again enjoying the advantages of an incumbent, Bush can go about the business of the president without fear of appearing insensitive.

I can't believe that this came from fox news. Does anyone else read a subtle implication here? I can't pin it down, but it almost makes President Bush look opportunistic, like, " Wow, what a stroke of luck! President Reagan's passing has put Kerry's campaign into a holding pattern, but I may be able to score a few points before he kicks in again. I mean, nobody would expect the President to stop working even after the death of Ronald Reagan."

Maybe I'm listening to too much Laura Ingraham lately, but the tone of that statement sounded a little catty. Anyone's thoughts?

Posted by Dripping Sarcasm 2004-06-09 7:48:27 AM|| 2004-06-09 7:48:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 "I met with Reagan a lot more than Iâve met with this president," Kerry said.

Maybe that's because sKerry was in DC a lot more than the past two years! He's just about as bad as being absent for votes and business as my soon to be ex-nonsenator Edwards!

Posted by AF Lady 2004-06-09 7:53:12 AM|| 2004-06-09 7:53:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 So do you have a nifty insider-styled term for Catholics who don't practice Catholicism as promulgated by the Holy See?

No offense but I call them Protestants...

Posted by Anonymous5170 2004-06-09 9:17:58 AM|| 2004-06-09 9:17:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I waited for hours to see Reagan before finally giving up. I also loath Kerry. Still I have no problem with his cutting in line for a couple of reasons. First it would be a secret service nightmare to have him stuck in an unmoving vehicle for 4 hours and then wait for the parking shuttle for another 4 something hours. Second, a big part of the wait was for parking, and I assume Kerry's car didn't part, but kept moving while he did his visit. What bugs me is that he'll probably visit Reagan on the East Coast as well, just to make sure he maximizes the publicity.

Posted by Yank 2004-06-09 9:30:45 AM|| [politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-06-09 9:30:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 im take it lhr not voting skerry. :p
im agree yank on lurch cutting in line. article is also say other dignitaries are do that as well so it not just skerry. also skerrys daughter shuld be leave out of it as well as bush kids. come think of it im not know if nader is have any kids.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-09 10:28:09 AM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-09 10:28:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 He should wait like the little people

"Wait in line? Don't you know who I am?"

he pulls this crap all the time - see Howie Carr for examples

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-09 10:47:00 AM|| 2004-06-09 10:47:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 So do you have a nifty insider-styled term for Catholics who don't practice Catholicism as promulgated by the Holy See?

Lutherans

Posted by mojo 2004-06-09 11:10:42 AM|| 2004-06-09 11:10:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Ass. Hole.

Had I been in line, I would have been quite... vocal about this prick cutting into the line. Prick prick prick.

I expect his poll numbers to take a severe dive after this stunt.

Prick.

Posted by Chris W. 2004-06-09 11:50:55 AM|| 2004-06-09 11:50:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 So do you have a nifty insider-styled term for Catholics who don't practice Catholicism as promulgated by the Holy See?

I'm protestant: not an insider; but I'd call them nominal Catholics. I'd use lapsed Catholic for those who show up for mass as often as Kerry shows up to vote. Hmm. Could we call him "lapsed Senator Kerry?"

I agree with Yank--have mercy on the Secret Service and let Kerry cut in line.

Posted by James 2004-06-09 12:12:13 PM|| [http://www.idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2004-06-09 12:12:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Yank etc.

I must disagree. Sure I think the Secret Service has a job to do, but Kerry doesn't belong there in the first place. To say that you're having mercy on the hard-working security means that you're not questioning Hanoi John's attendance in the first place.

Consider: Was Bob Dole there? Newt Gingrich? Clarence Thomas? GW Bush? Jeb Bush? Arnold Schwarzenegger? John McCain? Rudy Guiliani? Gerald Ford? Bob Bennett? Lamar Alexander? Bill Frist? Kay Hutchinson? Trent Lott? Dick Lugar? Arlen Specter? etc etc etc etc....

Some were, I'm sure, but most were not. Why, you axe? Because they did not want to spoil a public viewing by having to cut in line for security reasons, and/or they didn't want to have their own interference into an affair designed for John Q. Public to spoil the proceedings.

Kerry had no business being there and his appearence can only hurt him. And it will.

Posted by Chris W. 2004-06-09 12:24:07 PM|| 2004-06-09 12:24:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 "made the sign of the cross and quietly recited the accompanying prayer"

Once again proving the press has no clue when it comes to religion, particularly Christianity. What "accompanying prayer"? Did he say an "Our Father" or a "Hail, Mary" or a "Gloria Patri"? It's common for mourners to say a rosary while in the funeral home, but Kerry was not there long enough to do that.

Also, Reagan wasn't a Catholic, so WTF is Kerry doing saying a prayer for him? If it was a prayer for the dead, that was wrong because most likely if Reagan was even a nominal Christian, he didn't believe in Purgatory or the need to pray for the dead.

Posted by growler 2004-06-09 2:10:15 PM|| 2004-06-09 2:10:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Oh, and "lapsed Catholic" is the usual term.
Kind of like "backslidden" is in certain Protestant circles.

Posted by growler 2004-06-09 2:12:40 PM|| 2004-06-09 2:12:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 "wishy-washy" might be best, kind of like his claim to Irish blood, and his "war hero" status.

Posted by therien 2004-06-09 6:12:58 PM|| 2004-06-09 6:12:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Catholics have long had a word for Kerry's ilk, whose obstinate refusal to adhere to dogma and misrepresentation of Catholic teachings leads souls into harm's way. HERETIC. Not spiffy, but accurate.

Posted by Sgt.DT 2004-06-09 6:24:36 PM|| 2004-06-09 6:24:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Lol, Sgt DT! That deserves a coffee alert!

What I do NOT get is why someone would continue to call themselves X when they no longer practice the doctrine of X and even openly dispute those who are officially designated to explain X to the lay person by the keeper and ultimate authority of the X doctrine.

Boggles. And I know the numbers, etc. and perceived political advantage, etc, - I get that, but the danger of the opposite occurring because true adherents recognize the obvious hypocrisy seems to more than negate imagined advantages.

So the Skeery Heretic goes for the photo-op at the viewing of the casket of a man who would genially spit in his eye, if the opportunity presented itself.

Moron redux.

Posted by .com 2004-06-09 6:40:01 PM|| 2004-06-09 6:40:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 #22 That reminds me of the time my Western Civ teacher in High School asked the class "What name do the Catholics give the Reformation?"

Being a snarky Catholic, my answer was "The Great Heresy!"

(Real answer: The Protestant Revolt)

Posted by Chris Smith 2004-06-09 6:48:00 PM|| 2004-06-09 6:48:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Hanoi John makes me want to destroy my TV everytime I see his traitorous face. He said a prayer. What a fu-_ing joke my ass. He was there long enough for his precious phot op. This man has no moral backbone whatsoever. He is as transparent as Clinton was on his trips to Normandy D-Day remeberances in years past. Hanoi John is a traitorous scum bag who will be remembered for what he really is. an opportunistic politician who used his war service and his fellow vets as a jumping board dishonorably to gain public office. This fall election will shock a lot of the liberal left with the magnitude of Dubya's vote margin.

Posted by Bill Nelson 2004-06-09 8:29:42 PM|| 2004-06-09 8:29:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 What's the really good snarky Catholic equivalent?

"Easter Catholics" (that's the only time they show up).

Posted by Pappy 2004-06-09 11:09:22 PM|| 2004-06-09 11:09:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Cafeteria Catholics is what they are.

They pick and choose what part of the religion they act on.

And they are officially *NOT* in communion with the Church and should not consider themselves eligible for Holy Eucharist, and shoudl nto present themselves for Eucharist during that part of the Mass, until they have genuinely confessed and are repentant.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-06-09 11:40:13 PM|| 2004-06-09 11:40:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 This...reminds...me...of...when...I...was...in...Viet...Nam

Posted by Anonymous 2004-06-10 12:38:42 AM|| 2004-06-10 12:38:42 AM|| Front Page Top

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