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2010-11-13 Home Front: Culture Wars

Proficiency of Black Students Is Found to Be Far Lower Than Expected

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Posted by tipper 2010-11-13 00:24|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 The answer, as always, is racism.

Posted by gromky 2010-11-13 01:22|| 2010-11-13 01:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Parenting, parenting, parenting.

And not being trapped in a school where peer pressure to fail is a factor.

Maybe those with poor attitudes should just be dumped rather than letting them influence the other kids.

And if parents don't have an education and can't support their kids, they need access to some kind of assistance to help them with their homework outside of normal school hours. Maybe even via the web or something.

Posted by gorb 2010-11-13 01:35|| 2010-11-13 01:35|| Front Page Top

#3 if parents don't have an education and can't support their kids

I've seen parents with virtually no education whose kids excelled - the lack of education did not prevent the parents from supporting their kids, it motivated them to. The kids learn the material from the teacher, they learn the attitude from the parents.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-11-13 08:30|| 2010-11-13 08:30|| Front Page Top

#4 And it's not far lower than I expected. But the gap is closing. The rest of the non-Asian kids are catching up - er down - to the black ones in attitude and accomplishment.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-11-13 08:33|| 2010-11-13 08:33|| Front Page Top

#5 You get more of what you subsidize. In this case, the racism of low expectations for generations. To a degree, a self inflicted wound sustained by faux charges of 'racism' to standards and discipline from the very same community.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-11-13 08:55|| 2010-11-13 08:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe those with poor attitudes should just be dumped rather than letting them influence the other kids.

One of the lessons learned and then too often forgotten from the nadir of our military in the post-Vietnam period to its rebuilding in the 80s, was that it is better to have only 7 men in a 10 man squad than 10 men with 3 who create trouble and discipline problems that take away from the training and development of everyone.

Back in ancient times we had something called the 'boys industrial school' for those for whom normal school was developmentally impractical.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-11-13 09:00|| 2010-11-13 09:00|| Front Page Top

#7 The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.

And the solution, as always, is another high level conference and throwing even more money twoards a "new" program.

Posted by DepotGuy 2010-11-13 09:18|| 2010-11-13 09:18|| Front Page Top

#8 The report urges convening a White House conference, encouraging Congress to appropriate more money for schools and establishing networks of black mentors.

Affirmative action bake sales?
Just a thought.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-11-13 09:41|| 2010-11-13 09:41|| Front Page Top

#9 How is this a surprise when the bar is set low for minorities, they are told they are the victims, when they are allowed to advance in grades even though they are far from qualified and they are steeped in a culture where failure and leeching off society is encouraged and supported?

Liberals made the swamp, but the minorities are wallowing in it. Take away the gravy train hand out, hold them accountable and encourage self promotion and exemplify the ones that have those traits. Those that can't or won't will not be part of our society.

Posted by DarthVader 2010-11-13 11:53|| 2010-11-13 11:53|| Front Page Top

#10 I've seen parents with virtually no education whose kids excelled - the lack of education did not prevent the parents from supporting their kids, it motivated them to. The kids learn the material from the teacher, they learn the attitude from the parents.

Mr. Wife's parents are quite bright, but his French-Canadian mother dropped out of school at fifteen, married at seventeen, and had two children by the time she was nineteen. (His father graduated from high school, then went to work in the steel plant). Despite active discouragement by her husband's family, she drove both of her children to do well in school and go to college -- Mr. Wife earnt a BS in chemical engineering, his sister got an associate degree in secretarial science.

It is indeed all about the parents' attitude, not their level of education.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-11-13 11:59|| 2010-11-13 11:59|| Front Page Top

#11 Its cultural. Those who wish to achieve are torn down for not being "black", called "poindexter", taunted for "trying to be white", etc.

Its the "cab bucket" syndrome: When a single crab is put into a lidless bucket, they can escape. However, when a bunch are in the bucket, none can get out. If one crab tries to escape the others will grab this crab and drag'em back down to share the mutual fate of the rest of the group.

Blacks must stand up and break the dependency culture they have imposed on themselves with the help of Liberals. Or else they remain enslaved no matter what any of the rest of us do. Many of our forebears fought to liberate them, either in war, or in the civil rights movement.

Time for blacks to stand up instead of stooping like a slave - we cannot do that for them, they have to break those mental chains themselves.

It seems that in black culture, failure and utter abject dependence upon others is the only accepted pattern in the press and popular culture. Blacks are slaves, and continue to put the chains on themselves. The word they themselves use in their culture for one another is "Nigger". Its such a hateful word, yet they use it in self reference.

Don't like that word? Do not be one. Stand up - we have cleared the path, and opened opportunities. But you have to do it yourself, because we as a society cannot do that for you.

Posted by OldSpook 2010-11-13 12:35|| 2010-11-13 12:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Another failing of the educational system is dealing with the half of the population that is below average. Not everyone can benefit from a college education, or needs to go there, except for making a diploma an arbitrary and needlessly expensive ticket to punch. Yet there is still a lot of work that can be done without performing high on the SAT's.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-11-13 13:46|| 2010-11-13 13:46|| Front Page Top

#13 half of the population that is below average
Not in Lake Wobegone, MN - where every child is above average. Pretty sure that same liberal 'logic' has now been applied nationally.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-11-13 13:59|| 2010-11-13 13:59|| Front Page Top

#14 dealing with the half of the population that is below average

If I understand correctly, about two thirds of the population is within one standard deviation of the 100 IQ mean, ie 100+15 points. To me this statement, coupled with arguments that the error bar around an individual IQ score is +10 points, suggests strongly that it's not even one third of the population that is "below average". But then, statistics is not one of my strengths, so perhaps someone who properly understands such things would be willing to explain it better.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-11-13 14:10|| 2010-11-13 14:10|| Front Page Top

#15 TW, IQ is normally distributed. For normal distribution the mean (average) is also the median (divides into two halves). Which led John Campbell, Jr. to saying
"A liberal = somebody who do not accepts that half of American children have below average intelligence."

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-11-13 16:11|| 2010-11-13 16:11|| Front Page Top

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