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2004-09-07 Africa: Horn

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Posted by Steve White 2004-09-07 12:42:03 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 A deadlock - who'da thunk it would come to this? I'll bet that this thing can get jump-started by using a single Spooky gunship with a little Wild Weasel / HARM action beforehand. I wonder if General Okwonko walks with a stiff-legged limp...

Posted by .com 2004-09-07 12:54:11 AM|| 2004-09-07 12:54:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Much as I'd get a certain satisfaction from that, .com, I still think the best way to go is to teach the Furians to defend themselves. Low-tech is the way to go: rifles, mortars, ammo, comm gear, and instruction.

Posted by Steve White 2004-09-07 1:06:57 AM|| 2004-09-07 1:06:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Dr Steve - Okay, I like that too - "teach a man to fish..." is good. I'd still like to do a little cauterizing of the wound beforehand to give them time to organize and such, heh.

Posted by .com 2004-09-07 1:11:42 AM|| 2004-09-07 1:11:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 #3 "teach a man to fish..."

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he drinks for a lifetime.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-07 3:24:56 AM|| 2004-09-07 3:24:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 ZSU-4(4 barrelled anti-air armor)would flat chew-up Suddanese air power.

Posted by raptor 2004-09-07 11:26:57 AM|| 2004-09-07 11:26:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 The last time I saw some Sudanese helos, they were on the flight line and had bird's nests well established within the intakes.

The ZSU 23-4 is most effective in the infantry reduction role. Increased lead density of anyone's body is life threatening.

Posted by RN 2004-09-07 12:25:54 PM|| 2004-09-07 12:25:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Rn has the ZSU 23-4 been used in that role? I've read that the US Army's best assault breaker during the Korean War were Quad 50's and dual 40mm.

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-07 1:22:43 PM|| 2004-09-07 1:22:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 ZSU-23-4 as anti-personnel weapon. Soviet forces in Afghanistan learned quite a bit fighting the mujihadeen, and among the fighters on both sides were Chechens.

Both forces have remembered their "lessons learned", as is shown in this narrative.

The Chechen lower-level combat group consisted of 15 to 20 personnel subdivided into three or four-man fighting cells. These cells had an antitank gunner (normally armed with the RPG-7 or RPG-18 shoulder-fired antitank rocket launcher), a machine gunner and a sniper. Chechen combat groups deployed these cells as anti-armor hunter-killer teams. The sniper and machine gunner would pin down the supporting infantry while the antitank gunner would engage the armored target. Teams deployed at ground level, in second and third stories, and in basements of buildings.

Normally five or six hunter-killer teams simultaneously attacked a single armored vehicle. Kill shots were generally made against the top, rear and sides of vehicles. The Chechen hunter-killer teams tried to trap vehicle columns in city streets where destruction of the first and last vehicles will trap the column and allow its total destruction.

The elevation and depression angles of the Russian tank barrels were incapable of dealing with hunter-killer teams fighting from basements and second or third-story positions and the simultaneous attack from five or six teams negated the effectiveness of the tanks' machine guns. The Russians attached ZSU 23-4 and 2S6 track-mounted antiaircraft guns to armored columns to respond to these difficult-to-engage hunter-killer teams.

Posted by RN 2004-09-07 1:37:27 PM|| 2004-09-07 1:37:27 PM|| Front Page Top

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