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2005-02-21 Fifth Column

Dear Soldier: My Teacher Told Me To Write This Letter To You

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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-02-21 1:14:56 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Stop It!! Stop it Now! I am tired of the incompetence coming from our educational system that is being used to indoctrinate our children. As copied from the source article

"The JHS 51 teacher, Alex Kunhardt, did not return phone calls, but the school principal, Xavier Costello, responded with a statement:

"While we would never censor anything that our children write, we sincerely apologize for forwarding letters that were in any way inappropriate to Pfc. Jacobs. This assignment was not intended to be insensitive, but to be supportive of the men and women in service to our nation."

This is not a free speech issue, this is just false information spread thru incompetent teaching by this Social Studies teacher. Much as with Ward Churchhill the facts do not even come close to supporting what these "children" have been fed.

Posted by TomAnon 2005-02-21 1:35:53 PM|| 2005-02-21 1:35:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 lucky it's a holiday for these two - tomorrow the NYPost will have the magnifying glass on the teacher and principal. Better polish up those resumes

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-21 1:50:20 PM|| 2005-02-21 1:50:20 PM|| Front Page Top

Makita. Reshaping minds of school bureaucrats...

Posted by BigEd 2005-02-21 2:10:52 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:10:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 It is not about a freedom of expression a case. It is about an adult using a child for its purposes. It is not that different from a rape.
It is also about a teacher using time who belongs to the tax payer (or to the parents if he works in a private school) for purposes who are not those he is being paid for. He should be forced to refund the state or parents for ALL his salaries since he started his carreer. And add a substantial interest for the damage done to these children who have should have been studying in order to later get a better university/better job and instead spend that time (they will never gat back) being used as propaganda tools by this loser. He should refund a million dollars per child.

Posted by JFM 2005-02-21 2:40:27 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:40:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 The JHS 51 teacher, Alex Kunhardt, did not return phone calls, but the school principal, Xavier Costello, responded with a statement:

"While we would never censor anything that our children write, we sincerely apologize for forwarding letters that were in any way inappropriate to Pfc. Jacobs. This assignment was not intended to be insensitive, but to be supportive of the men and women in service to our nation."

I keep getting more & more pissed off about this.

Take JFMs suggestion and send Kunhardt and Costello to that State penitentury in Arizona, to work of the millions in expense, where the convicts do hard labor and are fed only Baloney Sandwiches and water.

Posted by BigEd 2005-02-21 2:47:18 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:47:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 It's the Maricopa County Jail run by Joe Arpaio, who could defeat McCain in a nano second and would probably do a better job. Could someone from Az explain why he has never moved up the political ladder? Is he just having more fun than a human being should be allowed?

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-21 2:51:21 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:51:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 The unit they sent this to isn't even in the Middle East! Its 10 miles from North Korea.

Both the teacher and his principal have engaged in outright theft for using school time to force-feed their bullshit on children who don't know any better.

I say we ship them to North Korea.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-02-21 2:52:49 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:52:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 CF - Kimmy would welcome them with open arms and use them for propoganda!

Posted by BigEd 2005-02-21 2:59:53 PM|| 2005-02-21 2:59:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Propaganda, hell. Thems well fed American leftists are good eatin'.

Posted by Lil Kim 2005-02-21 3:05:00 PM|| 2005-02-21 3:05:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Typical B.S. from New Jersey.

My wife loves it when the recruiters come to her school. Many of her students enter the military. For lots of them it will be the best thing that has happened in their lives up to that point. You have to realize these 2 clowns are a minority. Like anything the atypical are what sticks out and focused on by the media. My wife like many who she works with is a life long Republican conservative. Bashing educators it easy since most of them are to busy to fight back.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-21 3:20:43 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-21 3:20:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I have to add that I strongly advocate for the right of this guy to say whatever he wants as slong as it is outside school and on his own time.
What I find repellent is the use of defenceless children and of time who belongs to his employer.

Posted by JFM 2005-02-21 4:05:58 PM|| 2005-02-21 4:05:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Lil' Kim:Propaganda, hell. Thems well fed American leftists are good eatin'.

Human Meat is saltier than Beef...-Idi Amin

Posted by BigEd 2005-02-21 4:09:49 PM|| 2005-02-21 4:09:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 All this kind of crap, and the thousands of Ward Churchills in our education establishment, are allowed to continue because they have a virtual monopoly on what our children hear. My daughter barely scraped by with a "D" average in High School because I wouldn't let her be propagandized, and taught her how to think. Her teachers hated her and me! I spent so much time talking to her principals I could almost declare them dependents on my income tax.

It's time the true potential of the Internet is realized, and a full conservative K-up curriculum was developed and posted online, free for all to use to identify and counter the propaganda our children are force-fed in school. Even better, make it multiple curricula covering every aspect of thought, including the left so we can make fun of their stupidity and incoherence.

Posted by Old Patriot 2005-02-21 6:00:36 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-02-21 6:00:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 You MUST be real careful as to what is sent overseas to our soldier's. I have a cousin who is an elementary school teacher and she read (authorized) every card, letter, photo etc that her student's sent overseas- so that she would NOT have to send out a RESUME (cover your ass).

If I had a son or daughter I would encourage to aim for higher than a "D' average. If the school is the problem and NOT the student- switch schools- FAST***************RUN DONT WALK.
The Cost of IGNORANCE is far more costly than a good, well rounded education.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea 2005-02-21 6:13:22 PM|| 2005-02-21 6:13:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I wonder if the teacher put the students up to it, or it they were just parroting what they hear from the MSM.

If the teacher put them up to it, that's simply inexcusable. Grown-ups shouldn't use kids in political propaganda schemes. It's unethical and the teacher should be fired if that's the case. If the kids were just writing what they hear from the media and their parents, and the teacher didn't take time to read ALL the letters, and just sent them anyway, disciplinary action should be taken.

It's totally correct that the good teachers don't have time to respond to, or defend themselves against the kind of nonsensical things idiot teachers do.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-02-21 7:02:26 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:02:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 # 15 ex- lib My cousin, Stacy elementary school teacher does NOT have time to review all the writing's----she took all the card's, letter's, etc home and between her and dear Dad (Army vet.). HE knew what could be sent and what letter's were subjective. Stacy then gave back the subjective letter's and advise to re write, which the student's were happy to do...and being so young, they were NOT aware of anywrong doing.
Again, Parental descretion is advised.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 7:18:33 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:18:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 My cousin, Stacy elementary school teacher does NOT have time to review all the writing's

BS.

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-21 7:26:26 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:26:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 # 17 Stacy DOES NOT have time to review all the writing's...she also Volunteer's her time to special ed student's- where the BUDGET has been CUT. She is young and can't allow herself to burn out. Many teacher's don't event think of the soldier's overseas- they pass the buck to another teacher or department.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 7:30:41 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:30:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Why didn't Stacy get Mary to help out? Mary's the ex-con, right?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-02-21 7:32:41 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-02-21 7:32:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Andrea that is complete BS - if you can't handle the job, quit. Don't complain that you're "young and can't allow herself to burn out". I'm a gov't engineer and I've done all-nighters when the work requires it. Stacy should grow up, do her f&*king job, and quit crying the blues on your sympathetic shoulder. If you can't review product, don't ship it - rule #1

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-21 7:34:40 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:34:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Stacy does NOT know Mary. Stacy has a Father who is a U.S. Army Vet and is happy to assist her.
Mr. Crawford- what do you do to help the soldier's. Many web site's out there to surf
and the soldier's need our help. (If you knew Mary you would like her- she is not all that bad).

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 7:36:51 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:36:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 FRANK- SHE does REVIEW THE PRODUCT. I HAVE NOT SAID OTHERWISE. I'm not an engineer, but I cannot compare a 6th grade teacher's job to a
Gov. engineer. I don't know what dept you work for and it does not really matter...however, I did work for the State gov for 3 year's and not too many broke a sweat or VOLUNTEER time when there were budget cuts. Many did NOT show for work or document it with payroll. I guess you could call them M.I.A.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 7:42:01 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:42:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 WTF? Stacy elementary school teacher does NOT have time to review all the writing's

Don't get someone else to do your job. Where I work, a MIA is gone the next week. No playtime. I think schooling children is a tough, hard, job. It's not like teachers didn't know that when they signed on. Excell at it, or quit

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-21 7:46:17 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:46:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Frank - she does not have time to revew all writings while class is in session (other tasks to complete in alloted class time). Which is why she had brought the soldier's letters, card's, photo's home- her Dad a Vietnam Army Vet. knew what was "acceptable" anything subjective was given back and the student's could rewrite and submit. I'm not playing favorites- she went the extra mile.
Hats off to your department* I commend a good, hard worker whether public service or private**

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 7:52:12 PM|| 2005-02-21 7:52:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Stacy got quality control accomplished - what's the problem?

Don't assume the teacher dictated the contents of the letters - you know I'm not the most unquestioning supporter of every detail in Iraq (love the goal, worry about some of the execution), but I have to do serious damage control on this subject with my 10 year old after every visit with his WV yellow dog dem grandmother (in-law). They can hear it everywhere.

Posted by VAMark 2005-02-21 8:17:37 PM|| 2005-02-21 8:17:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 I'd assume it, barring other info - typically the students are used as propganda background - but we'll see. I'd be happy to apologize if wrong

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-21 8:21:22 PM|| 2005-02-21 8:21:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I would like to think that the student's are not being used in such a fashion. Anyhow, let it all REST and continue to support the soldier's who are fighting for our freedom.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-02-21 8:45:18 PM|| 2005-02-21 8:45:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Let it rest? Not a f&^king chance. Find out what the truth is, and IF the teacher used the students to make ugly letters to harm the morale of the troops, FIRE the teacher and strip their credentials

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-21 8:57:26 PM|| 2005-02-21 8:57:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Andrea's right about her cousin asking Dad to help. She is also right about teachers who put in time way, way above and beyond the call of duty. Don't let bad apples like this character in NJ sour you on the teaching profession as a whole. For every moonbat in a school there are a lot of honest people like Stacy who do their best work. And yes, sometimes a teacher needs a second opinion when looking over papers. I had 150 HS Freshmen--35 each in the two "advanced" classes, 35 each in the two "average" classes, including one kid with schizophrenia; and 12 kids reading at 3rd grade level or lower. I asked my husband to look over my comments on their papers to make sure I hadn't missed anything; I'd get bugeyed after the first 75 papers.

So I sincerely hope Frank G et al are done grousing about teachers asking for a little extra help; his last comment at least got back to the main issue.

Posted by mom 2005-02-21 10:07:03 PM|| 2005-02-21 10:07:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 I seek outside help when appropriate, no problems with that...

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