A Burkha-wearing babe baring her breasts on the cover of a Polish magazine has ignited a culture mini-war in Brooklyn.
"Wladislaw! Look! Honkersz!"
"Holy przbliecnie!"
Outraged by what they call an insult to Islam, Yemeni newspaper vendors in Greenpoint are seething refusing to sell the latest edition of Forum magazine. Some have painted big black X's over the exposed flesh and are threatening to boycott the popular Polish-language weekly. "The cover is no good," said Abdul al-Fatah, 30, at Greenpoint Variety Candy & Grocery on Manhattan Ave. "They show something bad about Islam, an Islamic woman naked. We feel angry about it."
"Proper Islamic wimmin don't have honkersz!"
Abdo Quhshi, 48, owner of the nearby Garden Stone grocery, said a Polish customer translated the cover story for him and he was deeply offended. "Saying about my Prophet Muhammed that he loved women, you don't have to say that," he said.
Hokey, then. His true love was little boyz, sheep, and the occasional melon...
But angry Poles said Forum is a respected newsmagazine - and some Yemenis have no qualms about peddling Hustler and Penthouse. "Many American magazines are worse than this," said Emily Branska, 22, of Ridgewood, Queens.
"Yeah! Where's the nekkid wimmin with their ankles behind their ears?"
"They said it's haram - that means something bad," added Kasia Illyas, 22, a Polish immigrant married to a Muslim. "They don't even understand what it's about."
They do know honkersz when they see 'em, though...
The topless temptress is superimposed onto a photo of covered Muslim women beneath the headline "Extremists in the Harem." Inside, there's a photograph of another woman, sitting in the buff amid white-clad female pilgrims in Mecca.
"Hey, Fatimah! Nice buff you got there!"
Forum ran them to accompany an article about sex and Islam by Dutch writer Hafid Bouazza, who claims the religion has been hijacked by "frustrated fanatics" who get their kicks from terror.
... and these guys proved his point.
Waldemar Piasecki, New York correspondent for the Warsaw-based weekly Przeglad, said he is "puzzled" by Forum's choice of cover art. "This is a serious magazine that has offered Poles a window on the world for more than 40 years," he said. "In all that time, I can't recall a naked woman on the cover."
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Many here, in spite of what they've learned about Islam, would be surprised at the level of censorship. In Saudi, when you buy CD's or receive your subscribed magazine in the mail, you can expect that the Saudi Ministry of Morality has been there first. They employ an army of people, somewhere, and give them an unlimited supply of black markers. Every CD with a woman's picture, no matter how demure, is blacked out except for the head. The magazines were even more bizarre - with so much marker ink being applied to an advertisement page where a man and a woman are sailing (Newport cigs - waay back when) or whatever, that the pages are soaked - and stick together. Catalogs with the entire women's clothing section ripped out - I'll bet the Pakiwakis employed take this stuff home, heh.
Yep. Beheading and shooting captives in the head are mighty-fine, but tits are radioactive.
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Dont you think its a sign of devine intervention
that the comments about this have on their right side the lovely picture of "Dusty" in her underware ? :)
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"The cover is no good," said Abdul al-Fatah, 30, at Greenpoint Variety Candy & Grocery on Manhattan Ave. "They show something bad about Islam, an Islamic woman naked. We feel angry about it."
Well Abdul, this is one of the few good things about Islam you dip wad. Abdul you get the sex bomb dropped on you.
.com: ...the Islamic censor had a dirty job but someone had to do it for er... Allah. Hey Ali, it is getting hot in here, turn up the air conditioner.
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YS - You're baiting me - trying to get me in hock with the Sheriff! I already posted the low-rez version of Under the Burqas pic once, heh. Of course, this is the better quality version, lol!
Geez-the poor fellow in Talibanland would almost have to be a topographical cartographer to be able to make a wise decision in his selection of a wife.
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A french writer who was friend of Commander Massoud tells that one day an Afghan who was within days of marrying came to him and after much hesistation whispered.
-"They have told me that women have more than hole".
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-"And how do I know which is the right one?"
And the french had to teach some basic sexology (no, no THAT way) to the future groom.
The Affhan should thank God he didn't go to a Greek writer.
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I just figured everyone knew this: The "root cause" of terrorism is not sexually frustratred Muslim males. The root cause of terrorism is sexually unfulfilled Muslim women. That, my friends, is the REAL problem.
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Hustler and Penthouse? The guys who run magazine/newsstands here in NY sell stuff that's a LOT more hardcore (trannies, gay pr0n, and some really vile stuff). And, of course, look at it too (Gotta stock the racks, right?) But it's okay because these are kuffar whores.
That said, I'm a bit surprised to see Arabs in Greenpoint. It's a tremendoulsy Polish nabe.
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Jules: My comment was tongue in cheek. Here's what I meant: Muslim males, being unable to satisfy their women, are frustrated creatures. Hence they take it out on the infidel.
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"This is a serious magazine that has offered Poles a window on the world for more than 40 years," he said. "In all that time, I can't recall a naked woman on the cover."
Welcome to capitalism my friends. If you don't make the cover attractive, you're gonna lose your readers to other magazines that do have attractive covers (with sex, babes, naked bodies etc). That's a trend that I've noticed lately among "respectable" Polish mags: flipping through the pages you're bound to find a picture of a naked body, or an article about sex, even if it is "artistic" in nature. Sex sells. What's more there to say???
Holy przbliecnie!" What's przbliecnie? Some kinda sausage?
As someone who is quite fluent in Polish, I can say that Fred's Polish is damn well near perfect. :-)
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Muslim males, being unable to satisfy their women, are frustrated creatures.
Maybe if they quit lopping off the fun button, this wouldn't be a problem.
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BH-Glad you said that. Their chances of "satisfaction" are "cut" 87% by just that act alone. But frontloading your own failure seems to be the preferred track in the ME--the alternative would be change, and that is too frightening. It's so much easier to keep pet scapegoats.
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...not to mention plain old goats. Won't hear them bitching about going shopping for a new burkha. Twice the ride at a fraction of the price, right, Achmed?
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com - Kind of like that pic that was linked to a while back showing a western couple sitting next to each other and holding each other and a ME couple who were completely seperated - the woman had a head-to-toe berqa and the man looked like he was very upset (and frustrated).
Higher earners will face increased fines for minor offences, if government plans become law. A scheme for calculating fines that would take into account an offender's income is proposed in the Management of Offenders Bill, published on Thursday. Under the bill, the maximum fine for an offence like failing to stop after an accident would triple to £15,000.
The Tories said the aim was to make the middle classes pay for the government's failure to manage the justice system. The government said it was fair that better-off people paid more than those who earned less. Courts already consider an offender's ability to pay when setting fines. But BBC political correspondent Carole Walker said: "The new scheme will include a more explicit calculation of the offender's daily disposable income."
Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the new system of "day fines" would be based on an offender's ability to pay as well as on the seriousness of the offence. The maximum fine in a magistrates' court will rise to £15,000 for an adult, from £1,000 to £3,000 for offenders aged 14 to 17 and from £250 to £750 for under-14s. The Management of Offenders and Sentencing Bill will also attempt to make judges more aware of prison capacity and the effectiveness of various punishments when sentencing. But shadow home secretary David Davis criticised the plans. He said: "Those who deserve to be in prison should be in prison - sentencing should be determined by the crime not by the number of prison places available."
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How progressive. Of course, the current fine amounts will be the low end, but it's not about revenue, really lol! I can see it now, rich titled folks coming to court in sack cloth and ashes pleading they may live a wealthy lifestyle, but they are in debt up to their eyeballs...
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Good pick-up tipper, I read this last evening in the U.K. Telegraph and readily calked it up to lunacy.
Let's review the logic: someone who commits the same offense as a lower earning person will pay more -- obviously the more well endowed are more culpible?
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So... a heroin dealer making n £k per week but claiming dole will pay ... £10? A middle aged mother of three with a decent salary but a mortgage and bills to pay has to cough up ... £500 for the same offence? Yeah, that's justice to the Left.
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Or an undersea tunnel. Wouldn't that have been fun to have been driving through when the earthquake went off that caused the Boxing Day tsunami! The rulers of Red China are dreaming of a shortcut for invasion.
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Barbarians at the edge of the moat, offering to provide a crossing. Communications Minister aka Minister of Propaganda.
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"In Taiwan, a government spokesman said the Chinese announcement was merely a far-fetched exercise in political propaganda and had no significance."
That just about sums it up.
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I enjoy a riddle: Why Aren't Germans Having Babies?
Answer: Because most of the German adults are self-absorbed babies.
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In all truth, many, even most babies are accidents. But when the state insists on accountability for accidents, people try to avoid them. Germany's nanny attitude of what children *deserve*, and what is *required* of parents, makes children just too damned expensive for most people.
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Germans aren't having babies for much the same reason that Germans take off on average three months of every year and fart around in school until they're into their thirties: it's damn hard work to raise a child.
Remember, the postmodern postchristian euro-paradise is all about me, not about caring for little whelps who cry and piss and demand to be fed at inconvenient times.
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If the post-christian European world is about having kids only when you can take care of them, and the pre-post-christian American world is about teenage pregnancies instead, then I think I'll take the European world, thank you very much.
Anyone who feels inclined to look fondly on the European Project should ask themselves whether they would be happy for the USA to be in Britain's position...
The European Commission warned Britain yesterday that it must pay billions of pounds more into its coffers each year or jeopardise the future of the Union. Dalia Grybauskaite, the European Budget Commissioner, told The Times that unless Britain and other big EU countries increased their payments to Brussels over the next seven years, the EU would be unable to provide the skills, technology and infrastructure required to compete in the global market. That, she said, could kill the idea of Europe. So it's ramp up the good old-fashioned Soviet-style wealth redistribution or forget the whole thing? Ooh, that's a toughie...
In a clear challenge to the British Government, the former Lithuanian Finance Minister also said that for the greater good of Europe Britain must give up the multibillion-pound annual budget rebate that Margaret Thatcher secured in 1984. The Commission is increasing its pressure on Britain as part of its demands for just over â¬1 trillion (£700 billion) in member state contributions for the next seven-year budget period which starts in 2007. Time is running out for securing Britain's agreement to a budget that could cost it dear and fuel the country's euroscepticism. Britain takes over the rotating EU presidency in July, and holds its referendum on the new EU constitution next year. Britain's chances of voting to adopt the new Constitution would surely slide from 'Remote' to 'Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha'.
Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, has steadfastly rejected a commission proposal to spread the British rebate, currently worth about £2.5 billion a year, around other countries, on the ground that Britain would lose out financially. In total, the demands for bigger contributions and a reduced rebate could cost British taxpayers as much as £5 billion a year. But Ms Grybauskaite, who has a black belt in martial arts and a formidable reputation, gave warning in an interview: "If other member states started to negotiate just on physical amounts of money, you are forgetting solidarity, a core policy of the European Union. If you have bad times, you have been helped. If you have good times, you help others. Those are principles that most of us believe in. If one or another country start to revise it, it jeopardises the future of the EU." The problem with this 'solidarity' thing is some people just always seem to 'need help'. French farmers come to mind, and all others who think that 'prosperity' comes in the form of trucks loaded with no-strings cash from other people's countries...
Mrs Thatcher won the rebate — famously demanding "I want my money back" — as compensation because Britain, then one of the poorest countries of the EU, contributed more than any other country. Although each country pays in the same amount as a proportion of its economy, Britain gets less back from the Common Agricultural Policy than France and Italy because its farmers are more efficient. Over the past 20 years, the rebate has brought back â¬64 billion to Britain, or about â¬1,000 per citizen. Without it, Britain would have paid 14 times as much as France or Italy to the EU. This is price of out-performing the states who have more lovingly embraced the European Way and are consequently floundering in their own economic failure: the leeches just suck harder.
Rules? What rules? Rules are for the suckers, lol!
Socialism 101: Drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Don't worry, you'll feel good about yourself afterwards, just think of solidarity and lie back and enjoy it.
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Hilarious!! Couldn't come up with a more pointed refutation of socialist redistribution if you tried.
Of course the other side of this is the fact that if the "14 times more" rule is enforced, Britain will stop being more efficient and the total pool will dry up.
The canonical example is the difference between paying brick layers by the brick or by the day...the former will get you maximum output as everyone lays as many bricks as they can. The latter insures that no one will lay anymore bricks than the smallest number required to get paid. At this point you stop making enough money to pay anyone and you get the good old Soviet axiom.....they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.
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A tovaritch kommisar of the European Socialist Sovietic Republics shows the true colours of the modern Leviathan, yet again: to tax the able, the ambitious, the free -- in order to feed bureaucrats and parasites.
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Let's see, yesterday it was announced that the EP Constitution had been approved. Yet the EU has turned into a nanny union, requiring countries like the UK to support the ailing German and Fench economies.
The British should revolt just as the Colonies revolted from the British.
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notice that Aris was afraid to comment on this. Coward and pussy
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Supporters of French President Jacques Chirac are pushing for a constitutional change that would make him a senator-for-life after he leaves office and thus shield him from the threat of future legal proceedings, newspapers reported Friday. The proposed measure would mean that all former presidents become automatic members of the upper house of parliament - instead of joining the constitutional council, France's highest judicial authority, which they do under the existing arrangement. Chirac, 72, cannot be prosecuted as long as he remains president, but when he steps down he risks being placed under judicial investigation in connection with a series of party-finance scams during his 18-year tenure as mayor of Paris.
By becoming a life senator, the conservative president would enjoy parliamentary immunity which would make it extremely difficult - though not impossible - to bring him before the courts, the left-leaning Liberation and Le Monde newspapers said. The risk of being made to face trial after he loses his presidential immunity is believed to be a major factor in Chirac's deliberations over whether to stand for an unprecedented third term in 2007. So far he has assiduously kept the possibility open.
The new proposal, which would require a change to the country's 1958 constitution, is being promoted by senator Patrice Gelard - a leading Chirac supporter - and will be formally tabled in the Senate next Tuesday, Le Monde said. But both papers agreed that its chances of success were small, as any constitutional change would have to confirmed by referendum.
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If there was any doubt that Chirac does have something to fear regards the allegations against him, this should serve to remove it.
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"Kerry has a Gallic clan in Saint-Briac-Sur-Mer, in western France, including cousin Brice Lalonde, a former environmental minister. As a boy, Kerry spent summers there. However, the relatives kept a low profile during the campaign so as not to spoil his chances."
WTF!
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What? No photos with Viet Cong leaders?
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PHILLIP ADAMS
How can Americans love The Simpsons yet vote for Bush? That's not merely paradoxical; it's paranormal. In the recent presidential elections, Hollywood came out for Kerry. The biggest names in cinema and in television were united in their detestation of Bush. In LA, only Arnold Schwarzenegger stood out. But his brand of Republicanism seemed light years from Dubya's as demonstrated by his gubernatorial endorsement of stem cell research. Despite the help of everyone from Spielberg to Streisand, from Springsteen to Gary Trudeau, the luminaries who sing the songs, make the movies and draw the cartoons were crushed beneath the wheels of the Bush/Rove juggernaut.
Gee. Golly. Gosh. Lemme think real hard here... Oh. I have it. Speilberg's political opinions are unconnected with what he does for a living, as are those of the rest of them to greater or lesser degrees. Streisand is a black belt dipwad. Trudeau has become tiresome and predictable. And Springsteen is in the same category as Spielberg, prompting calls to "Shut Up and Sing." Basically, what it tells us is that they're not as important as they think they are.
Fundamentalist Christians see Los Angeles as both Sodom and Gomorrah, cities of Jews and liberals, whose salacious offerings are destroying the nation's moral fibre.
Oooh. Look at the cliches! I can't speak for fundamentalist Christians, being a fundamentalist agnostic, but I don't think anybody sees Los Angeles as Sodom and Gomorrah except for when some actor or actress turns to a pillar of salt. I do like the way Phil off-handedly implies that them there fundamentalists are anti-Semitic, concetrating as they are on the Jew content of Los Angeles. I can honestly say I've never heard anybody bring that up in conversation, though there have been occasions where people have remarked on the number of Mexicans who live there. On the other hand, when it comes to anti-Semitism, liberals like Phil seem to have a pretty good handle on feeling the plight of the poor Paleostinians and sniffing at the brutal Jews of the Zionist Entity, though as we all know, they're not anti-Semitic, they're anti-Zionist.
This is despite the fact that films in The Terminator genre are decidedly Nietzschean, more than a little fascist in their peddling of superman individualism and ultra-violent.
"More than a little fascist in their peddling of superhuman individualism"? Phil, fascism doesn't glorify the superhuman individual. Fascism glorifies the fasces, the slender reeds, weak in themselves, bound together by the ties of state power, which produce a bundled unity of strength. Roving gangs of fascisti beat people up and destroy the property of Ãntermenschen, and, yes, they do it with ultra-violence. Fascism isn't the individual, it's the group. The individual lacks the ability to terrorize the Ãntermenschen.
Combined, in Hollywood's case, with turbo-charged patriotism.
Scratch the Stars and Stripes Forever. We wouldn't want to believe in our country, would we? Drop the Washington Post March, but do turn that into an entire sentence.
But conservatives are on firmer ground when they instance the scurrilous and exuberant subversion of, yes, The Simpsons.
Is there meaning to that sentence? Film at 11...
Seinfeld may seem utterly apolitical. Certainly its lead characters never mention politics or express an opinion that could be identified with Republican or Democrat. Yet they had baby boomer written all over them and, of course, engaged in or (in the cases of George and Kramer) dreamt about promiscuities. Not the sort of values that should appeal to the Bible belt. Yet those decadent New Yorkers rated enormously everywhere in the US.
I believe people living in more civilized areas watched the series in the breathless anticipation that something would eventually happen, explaining it all. It never did, but they kept coming back expecting that it would kind of like people used to watch Twin Peaks in the expectation there was some sort of sense behind it that would eventually be revealed.
But The Simpsons provides the clearest of cases with its own axis of evil dominated by a Phil Ruddock lookalike who, consumed with greed, owns his own malfunctioning nuclear power station. Among the most frequent targets of lethal satire are The Simpsons' next-door-neighbours, archetypal Christian conservatives whose religiosity our hero, Homer, constantly derides. Indeed, pretty much all the baddies in a Mike Moore movie can be seen in The Simpsons which, at its heart, is a never-ending version of Fahrenheit 9/11.Yes, it can be laughed off as a cartoon but it's a cartoon closely related to the cartooning of Gary Trudeau in Doonesbury.
Ummm... I beg to differ. Unlike Doonsebury, the Simpsons are usually funny. Nor is the Simpsons tiresomely political like Doonesbury. Homer works in a nuclear power plant because the idea of a nuclear power plant hiring a dullard like Homer is laughable on its face. The Simpsons isn't "a never-ending version of Fahrenheit 9/11." It's a good laugh because it lampoons the pompous and the pretentious like... ummm... Phil, among others.
Most of the major drama series are essentially liberal in their themes and attitudes. ER, for example, is full of hints and clues and assumptions that are not merely liberal but often left-wing. And that's been true of every hospital program from Mash to Chicago Hope.
We've noticed that. We've commented on it...
The only significant TV series in which the lead characters would be pro-Bush is - The Sopranos.
The gangsters on HBO? They wouldn't be pro-Bush. They'd be lined up with the Teamsters, buying local Democratic politicians.
Their line on Muslims, the war in Iraq, let alone their ongoing prejudices against African/Americans, would put them firmly in the category of chest-thumping, white alpha males.
There's another base assumption of the intolerant and cliche-ridden left: if it's Republican, it's obviously against African-slash-Americans, because... ummm... What about Bull Connor and those dawgs and firehoses and such? Oh. Wait. He was a Democrat. But you know what he means...
Of course, at some levels, David Chase's fascinating portrait of New Jersey criminality is a social satire. At others, it takes over where Coppola's The Godfather left off - as a piece of symbolism of US capitalism.
Is that what it is? I thought the Godfather was a modern morality tale, in which young men, both the young Vito and the young Michael, are caught up in a system they didn't make, reacting to the conditions around them, and are eventually changed to the point where they become a part of the system and men they never wanted to be. I thought it was a ripping good novel, with characters who were familiar without being cliches people you knew when you were young, or you knew guys who knew them set against a backdrop of the postwar world. If you'll notice, throughout the novel, the only real reference to politix comes with reference to buying politicians; Don Vito and Michael weren't Democrat or Republican. I haven't watched The Sopranos, but I gather from things I've read that there's a certain amount of the same approach in the writing, which is probably why it's so popular.
Even when the entertainment industry produces an overtly political series The West Wing the result is bizarre.
... to say the least.
It turns contemporary political issues on their head by having them played out in a fictional Democrat administration where Sheen fills the same role as Dubya but, of course, plays things very differently. Any parallels with current events are more than offset by the contradictions so that we finish up with a program that's half doco-drama and half fairy story.
Phil is probably still sitting at his computer trying to compose a closing paragraph to bring all this hodge-podge together. Either that, or he didn't have anything to say in the first place, but he vented and his editor didn't read all the way through this load of cliches to discover there's no substance to it.
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What a poorly written and utterly incoherent load. Looks like somebody was a little too eager to dump on Bush and America and forgot to... make sense. I'm looking at you, Phil!
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I can honestly say I've never heard anybody bring [L.A.'s Jew content] up in conversation...
Oh, come on, Fred! You remember when W.F. Buckley called L.A. "Hymietown", and...er, wait. That wasn't L.A., it was New York. And it wasn't Buckley, it was---wait, wait, don't tell me. It's on the tip of my tongue...
...every hospital program â from Mash to Chicago Hope.
I can't watch M*A*S*H anymore. Every time Hawkeye goes into his "What good are we doing here? Are we helping these people?" song-and-dance, I remember the grass soup and the "special meat".
Phil Adams, you know, is the writer Tim Blair uses as a punching bag when Margo Kingston is away having her psyche waxed and buffed.
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My all-time favorite episode of the Simpsons is when Homer buys marge a bowling ball for her birthday; he is so sure she won't want it that he has his name engraved on it. Marge gets po'ed, takes the ball, flounces off to the bowling alley, and signs up for lessons with a handsome French (!) bowling instructor. They flirt, almost fall in love, and then Marge has to choose between passion and Homer. I cried when she left the Frenchman behind and went home to her family. It was so sweet.
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Fred, perhaps it would be more appropriate for you to call this gentleman "Mr. Adams?"
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My favorite was when Homer ran for office - promising that "someone else" would mow your lawn, clean your house, etc.
Great commets. You gotta almost feel sorry for guys like Mr. Adams...drowing in bitterness that the chest-thumping, white alpha males won't sitzspinkle upon their command.
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the luminaries who sing the songs, make the movies and draw the cartoons were crushed beneath the wheels of the Bush/Rove juggernaut.
Odd. Haven't seen any reports of deaths in their ranks...
As for the Flanders -- yeah, often his brand of over-the-top, "In Case of Rapture, Car Will be Unoccupied" religion gets mocked. But it's also shown as a source of strength and stability.
Besides, which character is supposed to be the sexiest man in Springfield? Flanders
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Guys like Adams make good pets. You just gotta slap 'em around once in awhile so they know their place is all. I'll bet Angie could use a driver, butler, foot massager, and occasional punching bag, eh Angie? Just grab a handful of this clown's hair and drag him for a block or two - he'll he begging for you to put panties on his head and a collar around his scrawny neck. The signs are all there, if you know what to look for...
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As a reformed Druid I resent the attack on religion.
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#15 Formerly Dan: Since you're a Reformed Druid, does that mean you can worship bushes in addition to trees? ;-p
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#2 Angie:
Phil Adams, you know, is the writer Tim Blair uses as a punching bag when Margo Kingston is away having her psyche waxed and buffed.
ROFLMAO! :-D
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GANDHI is quoted as saying that Man's greatest gift is his ability to improve upon himself - everyman HOMER never stops trying, plus he never stops trying while also not sacrificing his beliefs, howvever imperfect. He many times during his ventures compromises his beliefs or values, but in the end he never allows evil or wrong to be priority above doing righteousness - thats as RIGHTIST as anyone can get, even for a remembers-nothing doltish working dad with a super-liberal daughter like character LISA. Even LISA ran away from the environmentalists!?
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Many many Lefteies are actually RIGHTISTS - the Left, howvever, is still exploiting this by perverting or equating Leftism = Rightism, Socialism/Communism = Democracy-Capitalism, God and Christ = WIccans, Pagans, and Gaia-ianns, .............................@ in order to confuse the issues and espec American voters. As illustarted by Kerry's recent POST-CAMPAIGN anti-Bush/USA-isms, the Left is still out to discredit
and suborn America unto Socialist/Commie World Order and OWG. In the America of Dubya 2, Hollywood has taken the fight for the [PC]Clintons and DemsLeft, while around the world the International Lefts are discretely acting like O'Reilly's Betty Crocker-crats, the Party of Prudence, Pragmatism, and [motherly=patriotic]Protection and Planned/Managed Progressiveness [ala Stalin's PPPP]. The Failed Left is still promo itself as > "NEW/REAL GOP-RIGHT" whose NOT the GOP-Right, nor for GOP-Rightism nor for America! Kerry + Dean are going anywhere, a sure bet that Dubya-Cheney-GOP had better watch their six! The Left by 9-11 has forced, and is forcing, America to wage war for global empire - America must create Global Empire while not being allowed in the end to govern its new Empire!?
Via "the stupid shall be punished", a retired submarine officer's blog. The link is direct today but requires free registration after Friday.
Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, the captain of the Guam-based San Francisco, had not been relieved of duty as of Thursday night, an indication that (Pacific submarine force commander, Rear Adm. Paul) Sullivan is not concerned that he was at fault in the accident, Navy sources said. Privately, several retired senior submarine officers said it would not be surprising if Mooney is eventually court-martialed for the incident, but only so that he can be acquitted in a public forum, giving him a stronger defense in the event of any civil actions by the family of crewmen. Given the nature of the accident, few expect he would be held liable for the crash.
"If he is court-martialed, it would be for his own protection," one of the sources said.
The San Francisco was apparently following all the required procedures and was supposed to be more than seven miles from any obstacles when it hit a seamount, or underwater mountain, while traveling about 500 feet below the surface at more than 30 knots, or about 35 mph, sources said.
The Pacific Fleet Public Affairs Office, which is handling all inquiries about the San Francisco, was unavailable to comment Thursday.
Preliminary analysis of the damage to the San Francisco, which returned to port Monday, continues, but several Navy sources have said that three of the four main ballast tanks at the front of the submarine were severely damaged. The sonar sphere also filled with water and is badly dented, but the sources said the sphere appears to be intact and the leaks stemmed from broken or displaced seals around the hydrophones that penetrate the dome. Given the damage at the front of the submarine, however, the engineers have been surprised at how little damage occurred in the rest of the ship. No major equipment ripped loose, and the reactor and steam turbine generators, which are designed to shut down automatically in the event of a serious problem, continued to run. One submariner said it was a testament to the sturdy design and construction of the San Francisco.
There had been speculation that the San Francisco might be decommissioned as a result of the accident, but now Navy sources say it could be put back into service. The Navy has several nose sections that could be salvaged from decommissioned sibling ships to make repairs if the damage aft of the nose is not overly serious.
A strong argument in favor of keeping the submarine in service is that two years ago it underwent a refueling overhaul at a cost of some $250 million. Decommissioning the ship would cost in the neighborhood of $80 million to $100 million, so if the damage is less than about $300 million, it would make economic sense to fix it.
Sullivan's e-mail on the Mishap Investigation Board notes that under Navy rules for accidents resulting in a fatality or damage of more than $1 million — San Francisco's grounding meets both criteria — the investigation must be finished within 30 days of his memo, dated Tuesday.
When the report is finished, copies must go to the board, which has a week to review and endorse it, and to Sullivan, Submarine Squadron 15 in Guam, Submarine Group Seven in Yokosuka, Japan, and the Naval Safety Center, which have two weeks to review and endorse it.
A Navy source familiar with the Mishap Investigation Board said they proceed rapidly so that any shortcomings in operating procedures or equipment can be quickly fixed.
Under Navy rules, witnesses to the board do not testify under oath, and the board has wider discretion than a Navy court in terms of soliciting opinions and speculation.
Typically, the board will include at least one senior officer, probably a Navy captain who is an expert in submarine operations; one or two mid-level officers, perhaps lieutenant commanders, who are experts in safety investigations; and a junior officer who oversees the administrative aspects of the investigations.
Haney's investigation, which will determine liability for the crash, is likely to take several weeks, perhaps months, and include interviews with all the crewmen and a review of the physical evidence. In grounding cases, investigation reports can run into the thousands of pages.
Haney will make a recommendation that could include a non-judicial hearing or a court martial. His report will go either to Sullivan or to the Pacific-based Seventh Fleet — the Pacific Fleet commander will decide which will be the convening authority, and traditionally the job would go to Sullivan, or his replacement, since Sullivan will be relieved in the spring.
Rear Adm. Jeffrey Cassias, commander of Submarine Group Two and Navy Region Northeast in Groton, as well as Group 10 in Kings Bay, Ga., will become the next Pacific submarine force commander.
Haney, a 1978 graduate of the Naval Academy, has served as a junior officer on the USS John C. Calhoun, SSBN 630; as engineer on the USS Hyman G. Rickover, SSN 709; as executive officer on the USS Asheville, SSN 758; and as captain of the USS Honolulu, from 1996-99, when he made two deployments to the Western Pacific.
He also served as commander of Submarine Squadron One in Pearl Harbor until last summer. Selected for promotion to admiral in March 2004, Haney serves as deputy chief of staff to the Pacific Fleet Commander in charge of fleet warfare requirements, program force structure and analysis.
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Hey, come on, who here hasn't run a nuclear sub into an undersea mountain, huh? Am I right?
Cecil Haney- This guy is definitely the guy to do the investigation. He knows everything about a 688 and operations. Also, since the man does not need any sleep, the investigation will only take half the time required.
For those of you who are conspiracy minded, the fatality occured in the Propulsion Lube Oil Bay, known as the PLO Bay.
RIP to the sailor, condolences to his shipmates, friends, and family.
It seems that the crew did the right thing. They should be proud of the recovery.
Via Instapundit, a revelation from Zephyr Teachout: Go to the original for links
In this past election, at least a few prominent bloggers were paid as consultants by candidates and groups they regularly blogged about ...
On Dean's campaign, we paid Markos and Jerome Armstrong as consultants, largely in order to ensure that they said positive things about Dean. We paid them over twice as much as we paid two staffers of similar backgrounds, and they had several other clients.
While they ended up also providing useful advice, the initial reason for our outreach was explicitly to buy their airtime.
They should have paid Markos to shut up.
UPDATE. Full disclosure from Marko$:
For the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities ...
[cough] Halliburton [cough]
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Tip to Newsmax Two senior Democratic lawmakers asked Wednesday for a congressional investigation into long Election Day lines, including some that took hours to get through and continued even past midnight. In a letter to the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, the lawmakers said one nonpartisan voter hot line received nearly 1,400 reports of "excessively long lines" from 32 states, including the battleground states of Ohio, Florida, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.Reps. Henry Waxman of California, the top Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, and John Conyers of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, asked the GAO to investigate how much the lines affected minority, young or first-time voters; find out what caused the lines; and recommend solutions.
"While it seems most Americans endured this wait where possible, it is clear that in some cases citizens left the polling places without having voted when personal responsibilities or health concerns made waiting exceedingly difficult," the letter said.
The GAO already has started an investigation into the Nov. 2 election, including the handling of provisional ballots, voter registration and voting machine problems. A spokeswoman from the GAO didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment.
I had to do a double take on the article because I noticed that neither of the Congressional whiners are from states where the 'alleged' voter disenfranchisement. Both are polital hacks in very safe (liberal) districts. 1,400 disgruntled Democrats (and you can bet every one of these yahoos is a Democrat) out of 120,000,000 voters is a very small number. I am making a big assumption that every one of these is valid. After Florida they had thousands of whiners that complained about voting in Florida, but most of them resided OUTSIDE of Florida. I think FDR, JFK, and LBJ are spinning in their graves at what the Democrats have turned into and they have Al Gore and Jesse Jackson to thank.
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I don't think people should have to wait hours and hours to vote. They have four years to plan ahead. Set up new polling stations, hire new staff..it's not like they don't have any idea how many people are expected per voting booth. If the people in charge can't get manage it, fire them and get someone who can.
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I don't think people should have to wait hours and hours to vote. They have four years to plan ahead. Set up new polling stations, hire new staff..it's not like they don't have any idea how many people are expected per voting booth. If the people in charge can't get manage it, fire them and get someone who can.
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The thing to remember about this is that all these problems occur in Democratically controlled counties. They are the ones that set up these districts so if there is blame for long lines etc, it falls squarely on them. But they will never fix this sort of thing, because the more efficient and transparent the system becomes, the less treason the Democrats can commit through election fraud.
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The thing to remember about this is that all these problems occur in Democratically controlled counties.
Noticed that, did you? It's sorta like complaining how the Republicans are always stealing votes in Chicago.
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Got to keep the system messed up so you can magicly produce those extra votes you might need. See the recent election in Washington State. But no one ever wants to investigate it if it is any other political party that gets screwed in an election or just simply loses. It only happens when it's the dems.
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Powerline had a good post about this subject yesterday. Mentioned the people who double-registered in two states, New York and Florida. Turns out 68% of them were Dems and 12% were Repubs.
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I dont think they have anything to worry about. If what happened in Washington State and King County is any indication; the dead, the felons, hell even a couple thousand imaginary friends (but not the military) will be able to vote democrat.
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It is a feature...for the Republicans. In our two party system the election is decided by those in the middle, undecided about which party is preferable. These voters are more interested in the legitimacy of the process than others because their vote is less predictable, more valuable and more influential than those of the rock ribbed base. They are deeply offended when shenanigans like King County change the result of an election. The Democrats may have won this election, but they've lost a lot in the future.
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Mrs. Davis - I certainly hope so, at least in Washington as a whole, and even in other states where people are paying attention.
Unfortunately, I think the Dems in King County and elsewhere are thinking, "Cool. We got away with cheating again."
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Considering all the races that the Democrats lost, Barbara. They need to complain about something. The Dems have no idea how badly beaten they were on November 2nd. They'll begin to find out shortly after January 20th. It wasn't a landslide, but it'll do in a pinch.
Jack.
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Turns out 68% of them were Dems and 12% were Repubs.
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Barbara, Cheating only works when it's close. It's less and less likely to be close the more they engage in these activities.
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Mrs D. Ahhhh.... but one of the hot items for the legislature in Washington this year is 'election reform'. Note that both houses are controlled by democrats and now so is the Governor.
You just know that they are going to slant 'election reform' so that it is easier for the dead, felons, illegal aliens (motor voter), and imaginary friends to vote while allowing king county to send out its absentee ballots for the military on Oct 13th - and then only under threat of a federal lawsuit.
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But what about the unenfranchised, the nonenfranchised, the misenfranchised, the enfranchise deprived?
I put it to you, Congressman Conyers! Who speaks for them!
And what the hell happened to those turkeys...
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India's voting record historically in the general assembly is pretty much consistantly on the opposite side of the US.
On the other hand, since the UN is beneath contempt - who cares?
A woman sentenced to death for killing a senior police officer who tried to rape her has been pardoned by the victim's family according to a judiciary official, the Associated Press reported Wednesday. Afsaneh Nowrouzi was ordered to pay the family of Colonel Behzad Moghaddam $62,500 as blood money in order to escape the execution. Nowrouzi, now 34, stabbed Moghaddam to death in 1997 in order to defend herself from Moghaddam, the police chief on the tourist island of Kish in the Persian Gulf. In Iran, a married woman who is raped can be convicted of adultery and sentenced to death. If she kills the attempted rapist, she can be tried for murder and sentenced to death.
Islamists define this state of affairs as "justice." Go figure.
The Kish court rejected the self-defense claim and sentenced Nowrouzi to death in 2001, raising an outcry from women activists across the world and attracting the attention of international groups who sought to overturn the sentence. Under pressure, Iran's head of judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, ordered a review of the verdict late last year. Moghaddam's family this week agreed to blood money as compensation rather than Nowrouzi's execution. Nowrouzi's lawyer, Abdolsamad Khorramshahi, said his client never sought mercy because she believed she had justly defended herself.
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Muslim headscarves allowed in Tennessee school Apparently, Separation of State and Religion only applies to Christians and Jews.
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) — A public high school changed its dress code to allow religious headscarves after a national civil rights group for Muslims complained to the principal on behalf of a student.
A spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Emily Smith, 18, a senior at Chattanooga's East Ridge High School, wore her headscarf, or hijab, on campus for the first time Thursday.
Smith said that although friends and a few teachers offered congratulations, "I wanted to keep it as low-key as possible."
Khadija Athman, civil rights manager for the Washington, D.C.-based council, said the group sent the school principal a letter Jan. 6, three days after the student e-mailed the council asking about her rights.
The letter said that as a Muslim, the student is "required to cover her hair in public. Ms. Smith stated that despite numerous efforts to explain to you the importance of the headscarf in her faith, you always found an excuse to hinder her."
The letter said religious headscarves are protected by the Constitution and laws against discrimination in a public school.
Rick Smith, an assistant superintendent for Hamilton County schools, said the school had banned all head wear, but the principal agreed to allow Emily Smith's hijab after attorneys were consulted.
"This particular item was a little different because it is a religious garment," Rick Smith said.
Emily Smith said she first requested permission to wear the headscarf in August.
EFL.Too bad, Mike. Maybe next time. And there'll be one, won't there, asscrack...
An atheist who tried to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance lost a bid Friday to bar the saying of a Christian prayer at President Bush's inauguration. U.S. District Judge John Bates said Michael Newdow's claim should be denied because he already had filed and lost a similar lawsuit in a federal appeals court in California last year. You can't stop ME! I'll be back! You'll see! You'll see!!! I'll show ALL of you!!!
Bates also said Newdow had no legal standing to pursue his claim. Even if Newdow could show he had suffered injury because he was offended in hearing the prayer, Bates said the court did not have authority to stop the president from inviting clergy to give a religious prayer at the ceremony. But it offends ME! ME! Don't you understand?
In a telephone interview from his home in Sacramento, Newdow said Bates had written a thoughtful opinion "but he came to the wrong conclusion." He said he planned to appeal. What does he know?! I'm right! Doesn't he realize that! This is ME we're talking about here! Everybody's heard of ME!
Newdow argued that saying a Christian prayer at the Jan. 20 ceremony would violate the Constitution by forcing him to accept unwanted religious beliefs. This asshole's done the impossible and made me miss Madeline Murray O'Hare.
Newdow gained widespread publicity two years ago after winning his pledge case before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, which ruled that public schools violated the separation of church and state by having students mention God.
The Supreme Court later threw out the ruling, saying Newdow could not lawfully sue because he did not have custody of his elementary school-age daughter, on whose behalf he sued. Newdow refiled the pledge suit in Sacramento federal court this month, naming eight other parents and children.
Newdow is both an emergency room physician and a lawyer and has represented himself in both legal actions. And we all know what they say about those who represent themselves in court...
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he obviously doesn't spend enough time at either, concentrating instead on his "side interests" ( AKA Loookatmeee!). Methinks someone that lives in the state of CA needs to ask the boards to look at his real work....?
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Newdow is an emergency room physician, a lawyer, and a professional narcissist. He is playing with Karma and so he better not wander out in an electrical storm. What a moroon.
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Hackers are turning digital rights management features of Microsoft's Windows Media Player against users by fooling them into downloading massive amounts of spyware, adware, and viruses, security firms said Tuesday. According to anti-virus vendor Panda Software, two new Trojan horses -- dubbed WmvDownloader.a and WmvDownloader.b -- have been planted in video files seeded to peer-to-peer file-sharing networks like eMule and KaZaA. The Trojans take advantage of the new anti-piracy features in Windows Media Player 10 and Windows XP SP2 to trick users, said Panda.
When a user tries to play a protected Windows media file, the anti-piracy technology demands a valid license; if that license is not stored locally, the player looks for it on the Internet so the user can download or purchase it. However, these Trojans only "pretend to download the corresponding license from certain Web pages," said Panda in its online alert. "What they actually do is redirect the user to other Internet addresses from which they download a large number of adware, spyware, dialers, and other viruses." Others, including Kaspersky Labs and Ben Edelman, a Harvard student and spyware researcher, have confirmed the effects of the two Trojans. Edelman's test of one of the Trojans on a clean PC demonstrated its impact. "I pressed 'Yes' once to allow the installation. My computer quickly became contaminated with the most spyware programs I have ever received in a single sitting...all told, the infection added 58 folders, 786 files, and an incredible 11,915 registry entries to my computer."
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If more companies were to port their applications to Linux (Adobe, are you reading this? hint hint..."Premiere"), Microsoft stupidity wouldn't be a problem.
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Brett-I was a Windows user for years and years. I am also an artist. My sister, who is an artist and only uses Macs, said, "if you are an artist, you should be using a Mac". The buzz was Macs are easier, more intuitive. So dummy me, I bought a Mac.
A huge mistake. Completely unintuitive, poor communication features (sending links instaed of Internet pages, document reformatting problems and garbles in transmission to Windows enivronments-but not from Windows to Mac). I will say Mac is better for music files and graphics, but other than that, I am hugely disappointed. BTW it's a G4-Mac OS X.
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I tell people now that web based applications are the way to go. Web-based applications are OS agnostic,secure, accurate and fast. I believe that IBM is pushing web based business applications (Web Sphere??) which are web based, web pages coupled with a net-aware database.
If in fact companies really start moving in this direction (web based applications ), it will render OS choice irrelevant.
Disclaimer: I used to be a real Linux nut, but then I discovered FreeBSD after the SCO stuffies was going on. I use Windows at home, but at work as much as possible I use a RedHat 7.3 server running Gnome and the Galeon browser as a personal internet machine.
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I tell people now that web based applications are the way to go.
So is it safe to assume Java will take over the lead from C++? I hope so anyway...
Linux has come a long way, I must admit, with its easy (or easier) installation, cool desktop (Xorg with KDE, Gnome) etc. But it's still not entirely intuitive and as easy to use as Windows.
BTW, Slackware is the only way to go :-)
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No idea. I am not a programmer myself and the only modern computer programming language I have any familiarity with is perl. Now, computers are not my day job, although for my family's company I did engineer a web-based check writing/accounting program and it works very well.
Having said all that, my understanding of Java is that you program it and it can run on anything, just like perl. Java is a complete scripting language with module for databases and other things. That alone places it miles above C++.
I'm a Unix groupie myself. (Solaris on the machine at work, and I have two shell accounts) The only Windoze utilization for me typically is dialing up/surfing, playing Doom, and editing videos.
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Whatever you do--just don't download the "license" for the "protected content" on that smut you just pulled down.
It's like screaming to the world: "I just downloaded a gig of midget porn, and I want everyone to know about it!!!"
Fer cryin' out loud, if you're going to freejack files from WinMX or Kazaalite K++, you just DON'T expect them to be digitally protected, especially with a license. This isn't so much an exploit as it is a simple con job for dummies.
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"I grew up in the 1970s, the age of the so-called energy shortage."
Hell, Dave, that was no oil shortage, that was Saudi economic retribution - finally an overt declaration of war against the US, subsequently forgotten, it appears - for saving Israel's ass.
"The world will never run out of oil. It will just stop using it."
As a fuel, yes, indeed. As a source of long carbon chains for use in hundreds of other ways, probably not - but as Dave sez, price will determine what is used.
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I agree about tariffs, but it's a question of how much cash goes to the bad guys. And remember, even though we don't buy much from the Arabs, we do buy a lot from Venezuela and Mexico.
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Here's some science-fictiony irony. Not about oil, but about fuel methane, locked up in vast amounts below the sea floor. It is known that it can, and periodically does, explode forth with devastating effects to the atmosphere. To get around this problem, you carefully mine it, then use it up to generate electricity. In that these are oilfield-sized deposits, we're talking a LOT of electricity. And you save the planet from disaster in the process.
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The world will never run out of oil. It will just stop using it. When that happens, the world will never know and never care how much oil remains in the Earth.
"It [the world] will just stop using it." Seems like a good place to be.
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Just gotta shrug off this PC thingy, put on the hobnail boots, and we can go get us some oil - oh and create the Republic of Eastern Arabia, yeah, that too.
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We were talking about French nuclear power in New Zealand, and I asked where they put their waste from their nuclear plants. Somewhere in French Polynesia in concrete overcoats was the reply. I imagine the Polynesians are pissed off about that one.
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CF
You are aware I trust that bovine manure is a potentially rich source of bio-mass methane. We will never run out of fuel as long as lefty media exist, provided of course they can be concentrated in some safe place to allow for economical extraction.
January 14, 2005: The USS Peanut Farmer Jimmy Carter (SSN 23) is a modified Seawolf-class submarine. She displaces 12,151 tons submerged, is 100 feet longer than a baseline Seawolf (453 feet compared to 353 feet). She is also slightly slower than a baseline Seawolf (61.1 kilometers per hour compared to 64.8 for the baseline Seawolf), and carries the same armament (eight 30-inch torpedo tubes with fifty weapons). The Jimmy Carter, though, was not designed for combat patrols. She is officially a testbed, much like the Los Angeles-class submarine USS Memphis. However, her real role is to eventually replace the Sturgeon-class submarine USS Parche, which was taken out of service in October, 2004. The USS Parche also has a 100-foot long extension — although that was installed during a refit that lasted from 1987-1991. The Navy is very reluctant to give out details about the Jimmy Carter, and she is often placed in a covered drydock (to keep her away from prying eyes in space as well as on the ground). This is not surprising. The methods and sources of intelligence are protected very closely by the intelligence community, and the Jimmy Carter is going to be one of the prime sources of intelligence.
The Jimmy Carter is capable of carrying 50 special operations personnel, but her primary mission will be intelligence gathering. The Navy doesn't talk much about the intelligence-gathering missions it has carried out in the past, or currently. One of the missions Parche carried out was the maintenance of taps on undersea phone lines between the Russian naval bases of Petropavalosk and Vladivostok (the famous "Ivy Bells" mission). Other missions involved electronic intelligence. Submarines are ideal for this mission — they can often supplement coverage by aircraft and satellites. This supplementary coverage it vital. Aircraft can be detected and have limited range and satellites have predictable orbits. Dummy transmissions can be used to throw them off. Submarines, on the other hand, are unpredictable things — particularly nuclear-powered submarines. There is no way to know a submarine is there⊠unless it either chooses to reveal its presence (usually through the creation of a flaming datum) or something goes wrong (a collision — like which happened with the USS Tautog). Submarines often get data on new naval units — often shadowing them and collecting "hull shots" (pictures of the hull of a ship or submarine) and a very good idea of the ship's acoustic signature (for future identification).
In time of war, the Jimmy Carter will provide support for various missions, like raids by SEALs and other special operations units. Often, these groups will split up for missions, which could run the gamut of raids or advising partisans, or a single large mission could be carried out. Often, their delivery will be by the Advanced SEAL Delivery System, supported in a Dry Dock Shelter. She will also have additional command and control facilities, and storage for additional munitions and fuel. You will not hear much about what the Jimmy Carter does if the United States Navy has its way. The submarines are called the Silent Service. This is doubly true for those submarines like Jimmy Carter and Parche — which engage in intelligence gathering. Their successes remain secret — failures will probably make the press.
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Wonder if they assigned this sub to this duty to break Jimmah's balls?
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I kind of feel sorry for that sub's crew; imagine having that albatross of a name hung around your neck as you perform such vital - and anti-Carter - work.
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With a name like Jimmuh Kotta, I've a feeling that this is going to be a "hard luck" sub.
Jack.
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We don't do no surveilling. We does "hydrographic surveys" and if ya ask what that means, I'll hafta burn outcha eyeballs.
Ex-Nuke
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I know! I know! It means finding how much salt is in the water! Am I right?
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One of the missions Parche carried out was the maintenance of taps on undersea phone lines between the Russian naval bases of Petropavalosk and Vladivostok (the famous âIvy Bellsâ mission).
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I strongly hope they eventually take a swapped out Los Angeles class and turn it into a "Sea View". With significant modifications to insure that everybody knows it is an peaceful oceanographic research vessel, it would be invaluable. The Los Angeles class is horribly oversized, which would be perfect for recovering dangerous nuclear weapons materials and waste lost or dumped at sea and mapping resources potentially worth trillions of dollars. Filled with oceanographers and geologists, the amount of research would be worth quintuple the cost of operations. It could even serve as a launch and recovery platform for hundreds of torpedo-like ocean survey systems, that operate independently for a month or more. And this is not a pipe dream, because the Glomar Explorer and Challenger have proven themselves unbelievably valuable as research surface vessels. Just one such ship could re-start oceanic exploitation as extensive as the industrial revolution.
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With a vessel named Jimmy Carter, the thirst for real knowledge must be insatiable....
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Carter as POTUS was too naive, letting the Soviets lie and deceive him at every turn! On the other hand, I'm pray to God the USDOD never names anything after Commie Bill Clinton or his wife, espec iff its mission involves de facto warfighting or "showing the flag" anywhere in the world.
One of the most ambitious space missions in history nears its climax tonight, when a European-built space probe is due to land on Saturn's largest moon, Titan, and send back the first look at its fog-shrouded surface. The $US3 billion Cassini-Huygens mission, a joint project of NASA and the European and Italian space agencies, was launched in 1997 from Cape Canaveral, Florida, to study Saturn, its rings, its moons and its magnetosphere. In December, Cassini dropped off the saucer-shaped Huygens probe on a three-week journey toward Titan that will culminate in a two-and-a-half hour, parachute-assisted plunge to the moon's surface. The 320 kilometre probe will enter Titan's atmosphere about 8pm AEDT and begin transmitting data gathered by its six onboard instruments and images from its panoramic cameras to Cassini, which will then turn and bounce the information to earth.
Hey! How're those moon observations going in Mecca these days?
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Goldstone has confirmed a carrier signal, indicating the probe is alive, having survived inital re-entry and main chute deployment.
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Sorry. Greenbank, not Goldstone. One of those days.
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Data acquisition has begun. Probe is on the surface.
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understandable juxt - you find green in banks and gold in stone :-)
This is probably the strangest, least understood, and most exotic place ever reached directly by human instruments, a plunge into the complete unknown.
It gives me goosebumps to think of our machine now lying on that weird landscape.
My expectation is a semi-rocky but relatively smooth surface with methane replacing water as an agent of erosion and in materials analogous to clay and mud. I could be completely wrong though. We will know very soon.
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Grrr, Space.com is blocked where I work (classified as an Education/Reference site... which for some reason means unacceptable around here. wtf?). But very cool it is still going after this long.
I know it ain't gonna happen, but until the first pictures come in I'm going to hold out hope that they show weird methane loving plants and some kind of critter staring at the camera. :)
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
01/14/2005 10:50 Comments ||
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Hope to see LOM's (little orange men rather than LGM's) waving at the probe.
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01/14/2005 11:07 Comments ||
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I've had the Player running for 7-8 minutes now, still getting nothing from Space.com. Oddly, NASA TV doesn't seem to be offering this - is this some sort of "exclusive"? Too bad, if so, their server's not up to the task.
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.com - Yes, your link there worked for me. Thanks for posting it. :)
I've had terrible luck at getting videos from space.com to work even from home. But it was always during events like this where it may have been swamped.
The only live broadcast i got in on what one from JPL during the landing of the second rover.
The Nasa site is saying that the ESA should be getting the first data in around 11:30 am EST. I'm sure pictures will be delayed some, though.
Argh, too bad there's not a lander with some people in orbit waiting to go down next. :)
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
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Yeah - I'm giving up on Space.com, too - will get whatever NASA offers, instead. Cool runnings, LotR!
11:35 a.m. EST: It's confirmed! Huygens has successfully returned science data from Titan's surface. The probe's landing is the farthest touchdown for any human-built object to set land on another world.
A news briefing on Huygens' apparent success is underway and its thumbs-up all around for mission scientists and managers.
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Several pictures are up in the last few minutes....
Note the ESA headline:
"Europe reaches new frontier â Huygens lands on Titan"
How much did "Europe" actually do? I know that at least 2 of the scientific instruments on the probe itself were made in the US. The actual Cassini probe on which they caught a lift was from the US, the launch vehicle was made in the US. The tracking stations and knowhow mostly provided by the US. But it is Europe that reached the new frontier.
Moreover, look at how they are distributing data.... When NASA downloads something like this, the photos are up as soon as they come in for all to see. ESA though likes to hang on to the data for themselves. Why? Who can say.
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01/14/2005 16:00 Comments ||
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Mark E. - Americans deliver, Europe/UN take credit. What's new?
CNN has a picture up on their front page. Sadly, it looks like Mars. Rocks and dirt. Ah well, there's always Europa. :)
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01/14/2005 16:46 Comments ||
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I though Dave (channeling Arthur C) said we couldn't have Europa. Off limits, IIRC. That was just before Jupiter became a small star...
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Supporters of French President Jacques Chirac are pushing for a constitutional change that would make him a senator-for-life after he leaves office and thus shield him from the threat of future legal proceedings, newspapers reported Friday. The proposed measure would mean that all former presidents become automatic members of the upper house of parliament - instead of joining the constitutional council, France's highest judicial authority, which they do under the existing arrangement. Chirac, 72, cannot be prosecuted as long as he remains president, but when he steps down he risks being placed under judicial investigation in connection with a series of party-finance scams during his 18-year tenure as mayor of Paris. 
A woman sentenced to death for killing a senior police officer who tried to rape her has been pardoned by the victim's family according to a judiciary official, the Associated Press reported Wednesday. Afsaneh Nowrouzi was ordered to pay the family of Colonel Behzad Moghaddam $62,500 as blood money in order to escape the execution. Nowrouzi, now 34, stabbed Moghaddam to death in 1997 in order to defend herself from Moghaddam, the police chief on the tourist island of Kish in the Persian Gulf. In Iran, a married woman who is raped can be convicted of adultery and sentenced to death. If she kills the attempted rapist, she can be tried for murder and sentenced to death. 
One of the most ambitious space missions in history nears its climax tonight, when a European-built space probe is due to land on Saturn's largest moon, Titan, and send back the first look at its fog-shrouded surface. The $US3 billion 
