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Seven years. Never forgive, never forget, never ''understand.''
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-Lurid Crime Tales-
F--- St. Paul councilman sends f------ profane email from his g------ m---------- city account
St. Paul businessman, Mike Costello said he got upset last week when he saw City Councilman David Thune protesting at the Republican National Convention.

"I sent him an email saying how disgusted I was and that I thought he was a disgrace to the city and I asked him for his resignation. I said you should resign," said Costello.

Thune responded with an email that said "[expletive] you little [expletive]".

5 EYEWITNESS NEWS obtained a copy of the profanity-filled email which shows it was sent from Thune's official city council email address.

When asked if that was a respectful way to deal with a citizen of St. Paul Thune said, "It is a respectful way to deal with someone of the low class that he is."
"He's a m----- f------ Ref---liKKKan, and the only f------ way to deal with f----- s--- like him is to f------ cuss his little c---------- a-- sideways!"
Thune told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS he stands behind his four-letter words, . . . .
"I've got a '10,000 posts' star next to my name at Democratic Underground, and I'm f------ proud of it!"
Posted by: Mike || 09/11/2008 16:36 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "It is a respectful way to deal with someone of the low class that he is."

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nah - no elitism there.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 09/11/2008 16:46 Comments || Top||

#2  "Low class"? Amazing.
Posted by: Chris W. || 09/11/2008 17:41 Comments || Top||

#3  A true Public Serpent...
Posted by: Capsu 78 || 09/11/2008 18:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Damn, Capsu! I just snorted Diet Coke out of my nose. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/11/2008 19:35 Comments || Top||

#5  A true Public Serpent...

that's a keeper.
Posted by: Betty Grating2215 || 09/11/2008 19:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Thune is in the top ten percent of assholes. One of the few that deserves to be tarred and feathered. Saw him in action on time at the St. Paul Grill. He was being a complete dickhead to the waitress because his order wasn't correct. He went so far as to speak really loud in order make sure she heard him bitch about her when she brought his food back to the kitchen. "Hope she isnt expecting a tip!"


Posted by: Mike N. || 09/11/2008 20:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Thune's favorite dinner entree must be spit.
Posted by: ed || 09/11/2008 20:30 Comments || Top||

#8  there are standards of usage in email at all public (and most private) institution. This clearly violated what most have as TOS. FRY HIM
Posted by: Frank G || 09/11/2008 21:00 Comments || Top||

#9  I guess he doesn't need Powdermilk Biscuits.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 09/11/2008 21:51 Comments || Top||

#10  When he orders his banana cream pie, load it up with Ex-Lax and serve it to him with a smile, and a "here you go, sir." That will take some of the bitterness out of his speech while he is dealing with his scuppers.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/11/2008 22:16 Comments || Top||

#11  That sort of behavior is totally cool with todays liberals. The end justifies the means type thinking. They are going into the abyss.
Posted by: Angaque Platypus3379 || 09/11/2008 22:17 Comments || Top||

#12  I guess he doesn't need Powdermilk Biscuits.

Perhaps some ketchup would help, Eric. :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2008 22:21 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Nude women blind men to price tags
BRUSSELS: Advertisers have known this all along, but now it is scientifically proven: men who are exposed to naked women stop paying attention to prices. According to a report on Tuesday by Flemish broadcaster VRT, a study by the University of Leuven found an inverse relationship between testosterone levels and price awareness among males.

The "naked women" effect is particularly strong among machos, the study found. "Machos usually tend to be tough negotiators, but advertisements featuring naked women turn them into gullible sheep," said Siegfried Dewitte, a professor of economics who carried out the study.

The study also found a similar effect on women exposed to scantily-clad men. However, it also found that women generally tend to be more sensitive to the touch, rather than to such visual stimuli.

According to Dewitte, the message for shopkeepers is clear: if you want to sell more products, put up a sexy picture in your shop. And for shoppers, keep your eyes off those pretty salesgirls or you may end up with burning a large hole in your pocket.
Posted by: john frum || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I also tend to lose interest in the merchandise when a naked woman is nearby, so it's a wash.
Posted by: ed || 09/11/2008 1:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, sometimes we follow our little captains into battle...

(NYPD Blue, Det Sipowicz)
Posted by: OldSpook || 09/11/2008 5:24 Comments || Top||

#3  In a related study Professor Dewitte discovered that the sun rises in the east each morning...
Posted by: GK || 09/11/2008 5:41 Comments || Top||

#4  It's been my experience that nude women can be damned expensive.
Posted by: Mike || 09/11/2008 9:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Also easily learned within the first 10 minutes of attending a car show.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/11/2008 9:36 Comments || Top||

#6  They blinded *me* with science.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/11/2008 10:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Looks like they got lotsa time on their hands at the University of Leuven...
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/11/2008 12:25 Comments || Top||

#8  They either have lots of time or lots of naked women.
Posted by: James Carville || 09/11/2008 15:30 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudi charity rejects entertainers' donations
Two Saudi actors and a Kuwaiti singer faced an awkward situation at a charity event for orphans when the organization manager refused to accept their donations under the pretext that their job is forbidden by religion.

The two comedians Hussein Useiri and Fayez al-Malki and Kuwaiti singer Abadi al-Gohar received an invitation from the Saudi magazine Sayedati to attend an iftar, the sundown meal that breaks the day-long Ramadan fast. With more than 80 kids expected to attend the iftar hosted by the Prince Thamer bin Abdul-Aziz Charity Organization, the three entertainers came several hours in advance to hand out donations to the children.

But only a few children showed up. According to report in the electronic journal Elaph, the organization's manager prevented the children from attending the event and refused to accept the food the entertainers brought.

#"These are actors. Their work is against religion," said the manager, whose name was not given. "We don't want them, and we want nothing from them."

The manager also rejected the donations, but the three actors insisted on sending them to the organization, saying they considered this part of their Ramadan duty towards the children.

According to the website, the three actors said they were surprised by "this strange decision," but they decided not to take any measures against the manager, saying they came to cheer the children up, not to engage in useless arguments with the manager. However, they still insisted that what happened was "very unfortunate" and that it tarnishes the image of artists, especially in Saudi Arabia.

Useiri and Malki said they had participated in many charity activities and never faced such a situation.
Posted by: Fred || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Italians urged to drop 'il weekend' and other creeping English words
Italians are quite used to feeling "lo stress", looking forward to "il weekend" or trying to look "cool".

But now an influential cultural institute has asked Italians to protect the language and reject "Anglitaliano". The Dante Alighieri Society asked people for examples of over-used foreign words and "il weekend" emerged as the worst offender.

The society said the results showed that Italians want their language to receive more respect.

For four months, the society asked visitors to its website, 70% of whom were Italians, for inappropriate examples of foreign words being used in everyday Italian, either written or spoken. "Who would have thought it - Italians protesting against 'il weekend'," said the institute, the Italian version of the French language protection body the Academie Francaise

The least popular word was found to be "weekend", receiving 11% of the votes. "Too short? No, just not Italian enough," the society adds. They said it was pointless to use an English word, however elegant, when the Italian expression "fine settimana" means exactly the same thing.
Posted by: Fred || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From now on it's Freedom Pies. Delivered in 30 minutes or less is the American Way.
Posted by: ed || 09/11/2008 1:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Foolish, futile foibles. Can't stop words and expressions from oozing in from areas of dominate cultures. Just be grateful that the words come from American influence and not Arabic Islamic radical influence.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 09/11/2008 4:35 Comments || Top||

#3  For four months, the society asked visitors to its website, 70% of whom were Italians, for inappropriate examples of foreign words being used in everyday Italian,

Polls 101. You never, never, never, never even look at polls based on people coming to you. Who visits
the site of the Dan,te Alighieri society? Normal italians or nationalistic losers with too muvch time in their hands? (Let's rember that they use the world calcio instead of football like France, Span, Portugal. A legacy of the Mussoloini era) And then who bothers to answer the question polled?

The only>/b> valid polls are those who are based on the pollster selecting the people and going to them. Also because the people who refuse to answer tend to have different opinions tahnthe ones who do the more compulsive the
poll the better the results: phone, where people can hang on you has greater bias than face to face and nothing beats the suspect citizen being brought handcuffed to the local poll agency, having a ligt on his eyes, slapped a few times and asked "Are you going to vote for Obama or for Mac Cain".
Posted by: JFM || 09/11/2008 5:47 Comments || Top||

#4  *gigggle* Thus speaks a true statistician.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2008 8:27 Comments || Top||

#5  TW, even if the last part was a joke the post had many bits of sound statistician wisdom.

In a less extreme form in Turkey, every so many years they have a Census Day during which everyone
must stay at home and the only people allowed in the streets or roads beyond ambulances, police and fireman are...statisticians.
Posted by: JFM || 09/11/2008 10:02 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Family of Down Syndrome Girl Meet McCain and Palin
To McCain and Palin, no child is a burden.

The rally was extremely crowded, long lines, etc., so my cousin put A up on her shoulders to see the goings on. At one point, they were approached by a McCain/Palin aide who asked if they’d like to meet Sarah Palin. Uhm, yes, please, they said, and were led behind a black stage curtain to wait.

As the rally was breaking up, John McCain made his way to their area. My cousin said he approached, greeted them, patted A’s head, but then, with the crush of people, was quickly swept away. Cousin was hoping to get a picture with him, but there he went, so they just focused on waiting for Sarah. Moments later, though, McCain made his way back through that sea of people to my cousin, my aunt, and little A. Here’s what my cousin said about that:

I have to say that my Mom and I were both impressed with him so much. You would have to experience it. I don’t know that I can put words to it, but he was so kind, humble, gentle, and compassionate. When he spoke to us he looked right in our eyes. He thanked us with such gratitude and told us that Sarah really wanted to see us. He posed for a picture and then he was gone.

Finally, Sarah approached. More from my cousin:

I can’t give you the conversation by word, but she said, “Awwww” and kind of melted when she saw A. She asked her name and age. Then she hugged her. She actually got watery eyes (ed. 3rd and 4th pictures below, you can kind of see that). Remember, even though she is Governor, VP candidate, she is still new to the world of DS. She said she was so glad we brought A to see her. She just kept smiling and looking at A. I told her we brought a gift for Trig and gave her the t-shirt. (ed. Cousin ordered a t-shirt for Trig that said “fearfully and wonderfully made.” I thought that was sweet.) I told her that I have such admiration for her because when A was Trig’s age, I was still crying …. Oh yeah, I just remembered - A blew kisses to both John McCain and to Sarah during our little visits.
Posted by: Flavinter Cherese8323 || 09/11/2008 08:35 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Click through and see the photos. Have a kleenex to hand.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 09/11/2008 11:09 Comments || Top||

#2  We have no freakin' business being this lucky.

If I should wake up and discover this was all a dream, I am calling in sick.
Posted by: Ptah || 09/11/2008 13:02 Comments || Top||


Biden: "Hillary a Better Pick Than Me" - (Under the Bus???)
When Palin was announced, people have been saying Obama would throw Biden under the bus. Sounds like that is about to happen. Prepare for Obama to announce Hillary as VP. And I think Hillary would do it before allowing another woman to take the White House before her.
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Barack Obama's vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Wednesday said that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, might have been a better pick for the position than him.

At a rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, a man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary "not because she's a woman, but because look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me.
Posted by: Cleregum Omineting4740 || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's probably phishing. They want to halt the flow of women voters towards McCain/Palin camp. A carrot, as it were. I doubt that Hillary would take it. Her ego is not diminutive by any meter and she probably already assessed that the ship is sinking and she'd blow her chances for the top prize in 2012.
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 09/11/2008 0:45 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd say 'Eagleton Redux', but that's unlikely.
Posted by: Pappy || 09/11/2008 1:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe Biden is looking to a future Hillary/Biden ticket for 2012. He would make a great Agnew to her Nixon.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/11/2008 1:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Hmmm...anyone know if hairplugs can create a "sudden medical crisis?"
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 09/11/2008 2:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Biden had a leaking brain aneurysm in 1988 which put him out of action for seven months. If one were deceptive enough to be looking for a convenient excuse to drop out of the race, that would be it. (It's also a deadly serious medical problem, which I would not wish on him.)
Posted by: Mike || 09/11/2008 7:58 Comments || Top||

#6 
It's probably phishing. They want to halt the flow of women voters towards McCain/Palin camp. A carrot, as it were


Biden made a point of also saying he and Clinton were close.  That's pitching himself as her surrogate on the ticket, not setting himself up for leaving.
Posted by: lotp || 09/11/2008 8:47 Comments || Top||

#7  Throwing Biden under the bus will play into the hands of those who deride Obama's lack of experience. If you can't figure out who your VP should be, maybe you should look for another line of work.
Posted by: Perfesser || 09/11/2008 10:13 Comments || Top||

#8  I agree, changing VPs now would be stupid. What Obama needs to do is stop worrying about Palin and get Biden to deal with her. That way it's vp to vp and he's insulated. That's what he should have done since she was announced but she really got under his skin.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/11/2008 11:20 Comments || Top||

#9  The really stupid part of this comment is that it re-opens the question as to why Obama didn't pick Hillary.

If she was a better choice why isn't she on the ticket?
Posted by: DoDo || 09/11/2008 11:27 Comments || Top||

#10  "It's probably phishing. They want to halt the flow of women voters towards McCain/Palin camp."

Good point. Of course, if they don't follow through, it'll only make matters worse come November. But that's then. Right now, Obama is scrambling, improvising, and floundering from one news cycle to the next. It's not pretty.
Posted by: Minister of funny walks || 09/11/2008 11:43 Comments || Top||

#11  Right now, Obama is scrambling, improvising, and floundering from one news cycle to the next. It's not pretty.

What do you mean it's "not pretty"? I think it is glorious! I haven't enjoyed an election this much in a long time.

I can't wait for election day, I'm almost giddy thinking about how despondent the Dims will be when the Zero crashes and burns.

Schadenfreude? What's that?
Posted by: Glailet Fillmore3756 || 09/11/2008 11:51 Comments || Top||

#12  What's he gonna do swap for Hillary and be some johnny come lately with his own woman VP? How lame and fake and third grade would that be?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 09/11/2008 12:34 Comments || Top||

#13  Schadenfreude? What's that?

It is a German word meaning the pain from hitting your head on a corner of the coffee table while rolling around on the floor laughing.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/11/2008 13:21 Comments || Top||

#14  farfignugan - remember that one?
Posted by: anonymous2u || 09/11/2008 14:15 Comments || Top||

#15  Not gonna happen, not considering how the donation flow has dried up and they cannot even afford to give a few stickers or buttons the Girl Scouts for crissakes, how do you expect them to rationalze tossing all the Messiah/Plug stuff for Zero/Pantsuit? Whiteout costs alone would be huge......
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 09/11/2008 14:15 Comments || Top||

#16  Throwing Biden under the bus will play into the hands of those who deride Obama's lack of experience.

Yep but that doesn't mean that he won't panic and try it anyway. More likely he'll announce that he'll appoint the Hildebeeste to the S.Ct. or a cabinet post.
Posted by: AzCat || 09/11/2008 15:21 Comments || Top||

#17  Yep but that doesn't mean that he won't panic and try it anyway [Thrown Under The Bus]. More likely he'll announce that he'll appoint the Hildebeeste to the Supreme Court or a cabinet post.

They [Obama's Camp] better never run out of Beano or Hiz Vice Presidential Gas Bag poofter will disapear in one long fart.
Posted by: Red Dawg || 09/11/2008 16:33 Comments || Top||

#18  Biden just blabs constantly, nothing he says means anything. And I agree that Clinton would never take second-banana to Obama; he won't win and that would tank Hillary for 2012.
Posted by: Chris W. || 09/11/2008 17:44 Comments || Top||

#19  Biden may be the first Obamanaut to climb under the bus willingly. Given that a bus is pretty massive, it may not be the worst place to hide when faced with incoming lipstick-coated rounds.
Posted by: SteveS || 09/11/2008 21:17 Comments || Top||

#20  I don't think Biden could have been more damaging. Even if they keep him the commercials right themselves.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/11/2008 21:19 Comments || Top||

#21  There's room under this bus for everyone.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 09/11/2008 22:21 Comments || Top||


SUN claims Sarah Palin's ancestors from Norwich.,
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah! Norwich! I knew there was something horrible being kept secret about her!
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 09/11/2008 10:43 Comments || Top||

#2  The Sun do love them some Sarah.
Posted by: lotp || 09/11/2008 12:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Quagmire!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 09/11/2008 13:43 Comments || Top||

#4  This IS bad news.

Luckily our Sub-Prime-Minister Jonah Brown has cursed ZerOBama with a good luck wish.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/11/2008 17:24 Comments || Top||

#5  The Dems think she's from Dunwich.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 09/11/2008 21:53 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Girl disfigured after being raped
A man and his two accomplices allegedly raped and disfigured a young girl by throwing acid on her in a Rawalpindi hotel after she refused to marry him, Geo News reported on Wednesday.

According to the channel, the girl, an orphan and an MSc student was a resident of Mandi Bahauddin. The accused 'M', a teacher at a local school in Mandi Bahauddin, kidnapped her and brought her to a hotel in Rawalpindi, where he tried to force her to marry him but she refused. Following this 'M', along with his two accomplices, allegedly raped her and severely burnt her face by throwing acid on her, and left her on a street in Islamabad. The girl has been admitted to hospital and said to be in a critical condition. The girl's brother told the channel that the police did not register the case until seven days after the incident. Gujranwala DIG suspended the investigation officer and formed a team to carry out a detailed investigation.
Posted by: Fred || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And these followers of allah will be unpunished?
Posted by: newc || 09/11/2008 5:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Move along. Happens all the time in the Western World. Certainly islam does not promote or support this sort of activity.
Posted by: anymouse || 09/11/2008 14:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Japan 'ends Iraq supply mission'
Japan will withdraw the troops it had based in the Middle East in support of the US-led coalition.
Government officials said that some 200 air force troops would be brought home from Kuwait by the end of the year. They have been deployed to fly goods and personnel into Iraq since Japan withdrew its ground forces from the country two years ago.

Japan's pacifist constitution blocks military operations, but humanitarian troops served for two years. After the ground deployment from 2004 to 2006, the current supply mission began, despite opposition disapproval.

US President George W Bush said on Wednesday that most of the international forces in Iraq were preparing to pull out as the US begins to withdraw some of its own units.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Something tells me we won this war. I want to know when we get our victory parade. I want a parade!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 09/11/2008 5:51 Comments || Top||

#2  If you want a parade, you better vote for McCain, otherwise it will be a gay pride parade.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 09/11/2008 9:41 Comments || Top||

#3  otherwise it will be a gay pride parade.

Followed sooner or later by a gay hanging parade like in Iran.
Posted by: JFM || 09/11/2008 11:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Won't happen in the USA Mr. JFM.
Posted by: bman || 09/11/2008 15:22 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Update: At least 100 Swift workers let go
About 100 Muslim workers at the north Greeley JBS Swift & Co. plant were let go Wednesday afternoon.

About 15 Greeley police officers were called to the scene by a Swift security guard as part of the termination. The security guard told police one terminated Swift worker had tried to hit him.

No arrests were made. The worker was escorted off the premises and police remained on the scene for peace keeping purposes.

The workers appeared to be all African. The termination appears to be related to the walkout of Muslim employees on Friday. The workers left their jobs Friday night after they were told they would not be given a break to observe the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Swift issued a statement via e-mail Friday evening about the terminations. The statement said the workers were let go as a result of the Ramadan-related work stoppage last week."For the past week, JBS management has met with union leadership and local Muslim leaders to address the timing of our second shift lunch break. As a result of those discussions we adjusted the lunch period by over one hour earlier to address their concerns. On Friday many employees walked off of the job without proper authorization," the statement read.

According to the statement, this action resulted in a number of workers being suspended. "A majority of the suspended employees returned to work last night and those that did not were notified this afternoon of their termination," according to the statement.

The statement also said Swift works closely with employees and their union representatives to accommodate religious practices.

Some East African workers say Swift officials initially agreed to move the break time, but then changed their minds and would not let them break their Ramadan fast at 7:30 p.m. on Friday.
Posted by: tu3031 || 09/11/2008 10:57 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you haven't seen pictures of this crowd, go to the Denver Post. It is scary. As I said, if these meat plants can't employ American workers at union wages, they should be shut down. Not only do they not benefit the communities they operate in, they are highly destructive. Once you see these goat herders, you won't be eager to bite into anything they've handled. I am fortunate that I can get meat from a local butcher shop. There's no way I would eat anything from over the counter any longer. I would rather be forced into vegetarianism. Yuck. These bastards have no place in our society. None. Thanks very much Hill & Bill. You two shitbombs.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 09/11/2008 11:33 Comments || Top||

#2  I understand your concern Woozle Elmeter 2700, but just remember that pork from these packing plants is still safe.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 09/11/2008 12:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Ahem. Let's not condemn an entire group on the basis of the acts of some. As the article notes, some of the employees returned to work, some didn't.


We're not about group identity here at the Burg. Let Kos do that.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/11/2008 12:15 Comments || Top||

#4  But many of the workers who gathered at a Greeley park Tuesday expressed their dissatisfaction with negotiations by saying, “No prayer, no work.”

Oh, look. You were right...

Posted by: tu3031 || 09/11/2008 12:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Slaughterhouse work is tough.

Many (probably most) large plants in the country are having trouble finding workers at prevailing wages ($6 to $10/hour to start and about 30% better than that with experience).

What the market clearing wage rate would be so that non citizens would take the job is anyone's guess but probably at least twice prevailing rates.

Posted by: mhw || 09/11/2008 13:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Being a butcher was once a noble profession, often involving and employing an entire family, sometimes for a couple of generations.
Skinnier and skinnier profit margins, driven by the mega producers like Swift, flipped the price where a local butcher was paying more per lb.for "wholecows" than the prices on finished goods from the big boys.
It was a Walmartization of an industry but it took place outside the view of many Americans.
You local butcher shop is now simply a boutique market.
Posted by: Capsu 78 || 09/11/2008 18:39 Comments || Top||

#7  muzzies handling pork...nah!
Posted by: Phinegum Pelosi6759 || 09/11/2008 22:29 Comments || Top||


Why the Islamic world fell into backwardness
On why the Islamic world fell into backwardness, and the key to future success.

Addressing a meeting of the Indonesian Islamic Society of Brisbane (IISB) in Australia on 7th September Heru Sriwidodo Sari, founder of the Trainer Muslim Indonesia Association, worried that many parents today regarded their children's school textbooks as being more worthy of mastering than the Quran, more likely to bring success for their children later in life.
Boy howdy, there's a heretical idea. Let the young'ins learn math, science, accounting and English?
Heru said this was wrong-headed, and that for seven hundred years after the time of Muhammad the Muslim world dominated world culture and learning while at the same time the European peoples had not advanced, precisely because people held fast to Quranic study and principles.
Also because the Euros were trying to sort who the hell they were, and had to deal with a number of invasions from the east. Notice what happened after the Euros managed to get their own houses in order.
After this period of dominance, and likely near-coinciding with what is called "the great divergence" - when northern/western Europe began streaking ahead of the Arab and Asian worlds in scientific, technological, and economic achievements - Heru says Muslims neglected the Quran and herein lay the seeds of their failure until today.
They also neglected science, trade and economics, and let a bunch of fundies, suck-ups, grand viziers and fools run their governments, with the predictable results ...
In order to achieve success in this life and the next Heru said only seven verses of the Al Fatihah chapter of the Quran were necessary to be learned and repeated every time one prayed, these being:

In the name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful:

Praise be to God, the Lord of the Universe.

The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help

Guide us to the straight path;

The path of those whom You have favoured, not of those who have deserved Your anger, nor of those who stray.

This could be formulated or summarised into the following, by some uncertain process:
" vision
" potential
" opportunity
" motivation
" mission
" strategy
" action
I could turn that into a Powerpoint slide! Mebbe pink text on a green background ...
Reading the above verses would bring understanding, visualisation of goals, and obedience to God, the keys to success, Heru said.
Posted by: Classer || 09/11/2008 07:19 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, yes, yes Classer. You have won the admiration and respect of the moderators here! Congratulations on your now prolific pro-Islamic propaganda for the Religion of Terror at Rantburg!

In-Shalah!!!
Posted by: Grins Oppressor of the Pixies4430 || 09/11/2008 9:26 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm very confused, Grins Oppressor of the Pixies4430.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2008 9:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Heru said this was wrong-headed, and that for seven hundred years after the time of Muhammad the Muslim world dominated world culture and learning while at the same time the European peoples had not advanced,

Thats because the muslims captured and translated all that Greek knowledge. Once we got ahold of it, it started the renissance, while the islamic world failed to keep up.
Posted by: Free Radical || 09/11/2008 10:09 Comments || Top||

#4  I'll share an example of the Islamic world vs the Christian one. Glass was known in Roman times. After the fall of the western empire, the making of glass was forgotten in western Europe. The Islamic world still knew how to make glass and used it as decoration and fancy table sets. The Islamic world had the recipe for glass for a thousand years altogether.
Europe rediscovered how to make glass with the influx of knowledge. In less than 400 years, they improved the formula to make clear glass, large pieces of glass, lenses and other useful and scientific gadgets. It allowed them to discover the properties of light, allowed them to see planets and moons, allowed reading glasses, beakers for chemistry, protective but transparent covers for compasses to travel the world, etc.
The Islamic world continued to use it to decorate their mosques. The Islamic world fell into "backwardness" because they refused to go forward. They stayed in the 7-9th century. The rest of the world moved on into the 21st century, the Islamic world hasn't.
So, continue to cling bitterly to your religion boys. It has gotten you this far, hasn't it?
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/11/2008 10:46 Comments || Top||

#5  The Chinese discovered..list.....

then they discovered opium and the world caught up.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 09/11/2008 11:06 Comments || Top||

#6  It seems to me that when the Islamic world was advanced it was more to do with EUrope falling by comparison than any great achievments the Islamic world managed. It's pretty sad really but Islamic thinking is not really compatible with science. Christian thinking once had a similar problem but the Europeans got their brains around the problem (mostly) and continued advancing.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 09/11/2008 11:23 Comments || Top||

#7  When the Muslims overran the middle east they acquired the existent knowledge and people, who already dominated culture and learning. They did not force conversions, but did discriminate against non-believers and forced non-muslims to pay the special tax, jizya.

Knowledge and technilogical advance was centered in the non-muslim population, and in the educated children of recent converts (conversions to avoid discrimination and tax). When the non-muslim population dissappeared culture and progress in the middle east not only stopped, but devolved.
Posted by: DoDo || 09/11/2008 11:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Thats because the muslims captured and translated all that Greek knowledge.

In fact East mediterranean had ever lead West mediterranean and still more the Barbaric Germany or England.

Also nearly all the translation work in muslim countries was made by Christians, specially the Syriacs.

Posted by: JFM || 09/11/2008 11:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Islamic advancement ended cold with the Persian philosopher al-Ghazali (there were several with about that spelling), in the 11th-12th Centuries. While he wrote about all sorts of sciences, the end result was that Islamic science was "frozen in time". It is still debated whether this was his intent, but it was the result.

A combination of Persian xenophobia and Koranic fundamentalism then took hold and spread through the Muslim empire. Spain was the last stronghold of innovation, before the Christians kicked out the Muslims and acquired their libraries.

Much later, fundamentalist revivals, such as Sufism and Wahabbism decreed that *only* the knowledge found in the Koran was legitimate, and that all other knowledge was corrupt, and should be ignored at worst and destroyed at best.

This was the start of the real descent of Islam into barbarism.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/11/2008 13:59 Comments || Top||

#10  In the Muslim "golden age" most (soem say nearly all) the scientists, philosophers, etc. were either infidels or apostates.

When Islam became serious, the science and philosophy had to end and the infidels were too oppressed to work and the apostates were killed.
Posted by: mhw || 09/11/2008 14:04 Comments || Top||

#11  What effect did the Mongol conquest play in all this?

IIRC the timing was about the same around the 12th century.
Posted by: AlanC || 09/11/2008 14:36 Comments || Top||

#12  ended cold with the Persian philosopher
I wonder if that had anything to do with Persia being a "Water Empire"?
Posted by: 3dc || 09/11/2008 14:56 Comments || Top||

#13  Fuck your religion, your prophet and you.

In that order.
Posted by: mojo || 09/11/2008 15:33 Comments || Top||

#14  About Muslim Golden Age. A French book who delas about transmisision of Greek culture to the West notes for one part that the work in Western (Mount Saint Micxhel Abbey between others) and Bysancian
work was much more important than the Oriental one for Europe. Also it notes that when they say you that caliphs surrounded themselves with "scinetis" the Arab word used is not the one used for mathematicians, physicists or chemists but the one for... doctors in Islamic law, Koranic studies or experts about Muhammad's life.
Posted by: JFM || 09/11/2008 17:46 Comments || Top||


Obama Pastor in Sex Scandal: Rev. Wright Done Me Wrong
He almost wrecked Barack Obama's presidential dreams, and now firebrand pastor Jeremiah Wright has helped destroy a Dallas church worker's marriage - and her job, The Post has learned.

Elizabeth Payne, 37, said she had a steamy sexual affair with the controversial, racially divisive man of the cloth while she was an executive assistant at a church headed by a popular Wright protégé.

When word of the unholy alliance got out, Payne's husband dumped her, and she was canned from the plum job at Friendship-West Baptist Church, she told The Post. "I was involved with Rev. Wright, and that's why I lost my job and why my husband divorced me," Payne said.

She refused to reveal when the adulterous affair started or how she met Wright. But fellow churchgoers at Friendship-West "found out about the affair in the spring," Payne said.

At the time, she was secretary to the Rev. Frederick Haynes III, a longtime Wright disciple. In April, Payne organized a series of Texas public appearances by Wright, 67. Weeks before, Obama had disavowed his preacher of 20 years after Wright's anti-government rants came to light.

"Liz was by Rev. Wright's side day and night during those days," a church source said.

"It's all true," said Payne, adding that she has filed a wrongful-dismissal claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to get her job back.

In an ironic twist, Wright last night spoke at an East Orange, NJ, church revival on the subject of "unexpected problems." "There's no such thing as a problem-free relationship," he told a packed Elmwood United Presbyterian Church. "In life, you'll have unexpected problems."

He punctuated his 45-minute sermon with evocative 1960s hits, including the Supremes' "Where Did Our Love Go," Frankie Beverley's "Joy and Pain," and the Temptations' "Ain't Too Proud to Beg." He's set to speak there again tonight.

Payne's husband, Fred Payne, 64, said he learned of the affair in late February, when he discovered e-mails between his wife and Wright. "There must have been about 80 of them, back and forth," he said. "Wright said things like he was going to leave his wife for Elizabeth."

Wright has been married to his second wife, Ramah, for more than 20 years. The preacher reportedly wooed Ramah away from her first husband in the 1980s, when the couple came to marriage counseling at Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.

After discovering he had been cuckolded, Fred Payne, who had married Elizabeth in October 2006, headed straight for divorce court. "I was downright mad about this bull- - - -," said Fred, who said he is "in the oil and gas business," belongs to a hunting club and makes his own bullets in his garage.

"People wouldn't be happy to know that my wife was sleeping with a black man."

He added, "Rev. Haynes doesn't like the interracial thing, either. This was quite an issue for him."

Elizabeth Payne said she has been banished by Haynes and the flock at Friendship-West. "I'm not a member of the congregation anymore; I'm not even allowed on the premises," she said.
Pics at link of the lass
Posted by: Beavis || 09/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't know the song Elizabeth, could you hum a few bars?
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/11/2008 10:55 Comments || Top||

#2  said Fred, who said he is "in the oil and gas business....but from now on I'm going to lay my own damn pipe.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/11/2008 12:53 Comments || Top||

#3  The title is my candidate for snark of the day
Posted by: Punky Flolutle8864 || 09/11/2008 16:29 Comments || Top||



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