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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Knife vs pistol & shotgun : Former Marine fends off robbers in Atlanta, kills one
A former Marine turned the tables on his attackers, killing one and wounding another with a knife as they tried to rob him, police said. Thomas Autry was walking to his girlfriend's home from his job waiting tables at a restaurant in Midtown Atlanta around 11 p.m. Monday when he was approached by five people in a car, Atlanta police detective Danny Stephens said.

Autry began running down the street yelling for help as four people in the car got out and chased him. One of the attackers had a shotgun and another had a pistol, Stephens said. The suspects eventually caught up with Autry. But Autry, who managed to pull a knife out of his backpack, kicked the shotgun out of one of the attacker's hands. He then stabbed a teenage girl who jumped on him and a man who attacked him.
Dang, one tough Marine.
The suspects ran back to their car and fled ran away drove off. Police found them later at a hospital, where the teenage girl, who was pregnant, was pronounced dead. Another man was in critical condition, Stephens said.

Stephens credited Autry's military training with helping him fend off his attackers, who are suspected of having committed other robberies in the area over the last week. "I would say he had to do what he had to do to stop the threat," Stephens said. "You can tell his training kicked in and he knew what to do."
The perps still alive learned a lesson, to be contemplated while serving time in the slammer.
The suspects will face robbery and aggravated assault charges, Stephens said. With the suspects in custody, police now expect to solve other recent robberies. "One of these guys confessed to me that they were robbing people all week long," he said.

Autry, who will not be charged, suffered a cut to his hand and a bruise on his chest, Stephens said. Stephens also said Autry was very remorseful over the incident.
Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 12:27 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They should be filing murder charges against the perps if the girl got killed in the commision of a felony.
Posted by: mojo || 05/30/2006 12:47 Comments || Top||

#2  This is so sad that a pregnant teen would engage in an armed robbery. Just what was the thought process of her and her boyfriend/pimp daddy/partner in crime that convinced them this was a great idea? Sympathy for Mr. Autry, the unborn baby and the grandparents. May the dead girl's accomplices never see sunlight again.
Posted by: ed || 05/30/2006 12:50 Comments || Top||

#3  well, it's a good thing this happened in Georgia because they probably would've pressed charges against Autry if it happened in California. They should know not to mess with anybody that has the last name of Autry.
Posted by: banned from rantburg || 05/30/2006 13:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Fallugia, Najaf, Tikrit, Atlanta.

Same problem, same solution!
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/30/2006 15:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Cronulla, same solution!
Posted by: ed || 05/30/2006 15:37 Comments || Top||

#6  Never bring a knife to a gunfight - unless you're a MARINE!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 05/30/2006 15:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Darwin award candidate.
Did any of ya notice how the fact that the perps are black has been omitted ? Wouldn't want to cast doubts about our homegrown mistakes that we ignore, ignore, ignore.
Posted by: wxjames || 05/30/2006 16:34 Comments || Top||

#8  If the races had been reversed it would have been a Hate Crime.
Posted by: Mike N. || 05/30/2006 16:40 Comments || Top||

#9  wxjames, of course we can't say what race they were. GOOD JOB MARINE(s)!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 05/30/2006 17:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Hummmm.... Mistaken identity or a gang related crime.
Posted by: 6 || 05/30/2006 18:01 Comments || Top||

#11  I thought that there is no such thing as a former Marine.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 05/30/2006 19:39 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Fjords cruise cancelled after outbreak of vomiting disease
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 09:21 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...an outbreak of norovirus, which causes diarrhoea and projectile vomiting.

Duel action!

Two elderly passengers were removed from the ship on stretchers and taken to Colchester hospital when it docked in Harwich, Essex, on Sunday. Both people, who were in their 80s, have since been discharged.

Considering the former, I suspect they certainly have been completely discharged.

A coastguard spokesman said: "This virus is quite easily passed on. It remains on the upholstery, so the ship needs to be cleaned from top to bottom...

Sound like a good excuse for a good old fashion Viking funeral to me. After appropriate and lasting chorus of pleas to the God of Porcelain Devices [tm], kill the dog and set the whole thing on fire. Cut to closing visuals and sounds from the movie 'The Vikings'.
Posted by: Jumble Thromomble5864 || 05/30/2006 10:26 Comments || Top||

#2  "Projectile vomiting". Hmmm. Is there any other kind?
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 05/30/2006 11:23 Comments || Top||

#3  ...an outbreak of norovirus, which causes diarrhoea and projectile vomiting.

Duel action!


Reminds me of an old pussycat of my childhood who used to loudly fart when it sneezed (as it often did when it sat on our lap); my guess is it was a clever way not to move (Newton's 3rd law IIRC). What a cunning feline.

"Projectile vomiting". Hmmm. Is there any other kind?

This reminds me of an interview of Mike Myers in his Wayne's guise, where he told how he was forcefully pushed back while hurling a stream of vomit after a party involving heavy drinkibng, and how Nasa engineers came to his home to study this revolutionary kind of propulsion.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 11:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I had noro over Xmas this year. It was dreadful. Fortunately, I wasn't on an expensive cruise holiday.
Posted by: Seafarious || 05/30/2006 11:33 Comments || Top||

#5  I've heard of "pining for the fjords" before, but . . . really!
Posted by: Mike || 05/30/2006 13:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Norwegian Blue! Beautiful plumage, beautiful plumage!
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 05/30/2006 14:37 Comments || Top||

#7  I had noro over Xmas this year. It was dreadful.

I had it back in, I think 2000. Nasty, unpleasant illness -- won't kill you if you're in a modern nation with reasonable access to sanitation and clean drinking water, but you won't enjoy it for all that.

However, having it once makes it easier to fight off later exposures. I found that out about a year later when it swept through my family after Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/30/2006 18:59 Comments || Top||


A question, after watching "war movies" over the weekend..
and, Mods, if I'm way off base here, please remove... but maybe an answer on the side.

Throughout our latest war, GWOT, our warriors wear the American flag, facing forward, as the flag would be going into battle. I like that. I do remember discussion of this as we witnessed the beginnings of this war on our TV screens.

Yet, each time I watch a "War Movie," (aka a WWII movie) the American flag has the stars on the left. And there have been lots of war movies this weekend.

When did this change? Is there a part of history I've missed? Coming here with the question, cause my Marine is on duty at 5th and St. Peter Ave, unable to answer my question.

Thanks...
Posted by: Sherry || 05/30/2006 00:25 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What way do the MSM wear their American flags ?
Posted by: wxjames || 05/30/2006 13:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Sherry, I'm not sure I understand your comment about how the warriors are wearing the flag, but this site has information and the relevant legislation regarding the flag. I hope it helps.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 05/30/2006 13:43 Comments || Top||

#3  In the past the Stars would have been to left as that was the proper way to have displayed the American flag. When the decision was made to place the flag on all our uniforms, to symbolize us as being expeditionary at all times, it was decided it would be worn as it was blowing in the wind of our forces moving forward.
Posted by: TopMac || 05/30/2006 13:47 Comments || Top||

#4  I think the jist of the question isn't answered in the link. A flag is always displayed with the blue field in the upper left (or when hanging with the stripes pointing down in the upper right) yet on some uniforms and government vehicles the flag is displayed differently. On postal vehicles the field different on different sides of the vehicle as if blowing in the wind. On military uniforms the flag appears to blow against the wind with the blue field on the incorrect side as normally displayed.

So does this have something to do with the wind at our backs or something along those lines? And when did it change (or did it?) because Sherry seems to have noticed that it was different in the past.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 05/30/2006 13:52 Comments || Top||

#5  Why is the U.S. flag worn "backwards" on the uniform?
Posted by: ed || 05/30/2006 14:01 Comments || Top||

#6  I salute you for your Uniform knowledge!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 05/30/2006 14:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks for all the answers. Look at your WWII movies and today's military. Yesterday's uniforms have the stars on the left of the flag; today's uniforms has the stars on the right.

I like the "on the right" for what it means and remember the discussion happened quickly with Iraq. I was just curious as to when the change was made.

Thanks again
Posted by: Sherry || 05/30/2006 17:02 Comments || Top||

#8  More to the point - yesterday had war movies that celebrated the bravery and sacrifice of American soldiers. As opposed to the current habit of celebrating this nations enemies.
Posted by: DMFD || 05/30/2006 22:14 Comments || Top||

#9  test: any idea why our opponents' flags ulimately point down? Because they're DEAD JIM. We need to star fighting wars to win, poltically, militarily, Popoganda and mind-fucks and on teh home front. Bush needs to step fwd on Iran and say - we will be going to war with Iran because..... and if they don't..... and remind every one of the '79 hostage drama, the Beirut massacre...take this by the horns and go on the offensive. Remind the US of a Quarter century of spit in our face - in short - put the public on war footing
Posted by: Frank G || 05/30/2006 22:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Yea! And that will happen when pigs fly too, Frank.
Posted by: DarthVader || 05/30/2006 23:23 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Naked 'Sorceress' Falls From the Sky
MADINAH — Members of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice received a call of a suspected African "sorceress" in the holy city's Al-Seeh neighborhood. Members of the committee along with police went to the suspected den of the black arts to find a naked African woman.
"Don't look, Mahmoud!"
Embarrassed about busting into an apartment containing a naked woman, police paused just long enough for the woman to attempt an escape, still naked, through the window of her flat.
"You'll never take me alive, coppers! [Crash!]"
Police followed in pursuit to discover that the woman had crashed through the ceiling of the neighbor's flimsy house and landed on the floor next to a bed of sleeping children. The woman was arrested, but not before she was provided some dignity in the form of clothing.
"Here, put this on! Stop looking, Mahmoud!"
Posted by: Fred || 05/30/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A weird indirect way of promoting XMEN 3: LAST STAND but what the hey. I'll say it - NAKID WIMIN, WHERE, WHERE, D*** YOU!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 05/30/2006 0:39 Comments || Top||

#2  http://media.putfile.com/LAmour-Tombe-Des-Nues

"Tombée des nues"

Paroles: Robert Desnos "Le bout du toit"
By Les Têtes Raides - Manges Tes Morts...

Un samedi du moyen-âge
Une sorcière qui volait
Vers le saba sur son balai
Tomba par terre
Du haut des nuages
Ho ho ho madame la sorcière
Vous voilà tombée par terre
Ho ho ho sur votre derrière
Et les quatre fers en l'air
Vous tombez des nues
Toute nue
Par êtes vous venue
Sur le trottoir de l'avenue

Vous tombez des nues
Sorcière saugrenue
Vous tombez des nues

Vous tombez des nues
Sur la partie la plus charnue
De votre individu
Vous tombez des nues
On voulait la livrer aux flammes
Cette sorcière qui volait
Vers le sabbat sur son balais
Pour l'ascension
Quel beau programme
Ho ho ho voilà qu'la sorcière
A fait un grand rond par terre
Ho ho ho quel coup de tonnerre
Il tomba d'l'eau à flots
Et l'eau tombe des nues
Toute nue
Eteint les flammes tenues
Et rafraîchi la détenue
L'eau tombe des nues
Averse bienvenue
L'eau tombe des nues
L'eau tombe des nues
Et la sorcière se lave nue
Oui mais dans l'avenue
L'eau tombe des nues

Qu'elle était belle la sorcière
Les présidents du châtelet
Les gendarmes et leurs valets
La regardaient
Dans la lumière
... et un éclair qui brille
Et c'est vos yeux qui scintillent
... et votre cœur pétille
Nous sommes sourds d'amour
Et nous tombons des nues
Elle est nue
Oui mais notre âme est chenue
Nous avons de la retenue
Nous tombons des nues

Sorcière saugrenue
Nous tombons des nues
Nous tombons des nues
Qu'on relaxe la prévenue
Elle nous exténue
Nous tombons des nues
Et je...
Mais tombe des nues
Tu tombes des nues
Le monde entier tombe des nues
L'amour tombe des nues
Et vive les femmes nues!
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 8:26 Comments || Top||

#3  great for those of us that speak french...

i can guess some verses
Posted by: Anon1 || 05/30/2006 8:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, that song is so much appropriate her, I couldn't resist (meat of the song is in this article's title anyway).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 8:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Worldlingo Translation...!
Computer Translations don't do it justice.
Maybe there is a better English translation out there.


"Fallen from naked"
Words: Robert Desnos "the end of the roof"
By The Stiff Heads - Eat Your Deaths...
One Saturday of the Middle Ages
A witch who flew
Towards Sheba on its brush
Fell by ground
Top of the clouds
Ho Ho Ho Madam the witch
You fallen here is by ground
Ho Ho Ho on your behind
And four irons in the air
You fall from the naked ones
Very naked
By be you come
On the pavement of the avenue
You fall from the naked ones
Absurd witch
You fall from the naked ones
You fall from the naked ones
On the part more charnue
Of your individual
You fall from the naked ones
One wanted to deliver it to the flames
This witch who flew
Towards the Sabbath on its brushes
For the rise
Which beautiful program
Ho Ho Ho here is that the witch
With fact a large round by ground
Ho Ho Ho which thunder clap
It fell from water to floods
And water falls from the naked ones
Very naked
Extinct held flames
And refreshed held
Water falls from the naked ones
Welcome downpour
Water falls from the naked ones
Water falls from the naked ones
And the witch washes herself naked
Yes but in the avenue
Water falls from the naked ones
That it was beautiful the witch
Presidents of the châtelet
Gendarmes and their servants
Looked at
In the light
... and a flash which shines
And these is the eyes which scintillate
... and your c?ur sparkles
We are deaf of love
And we fall from the naked ones
It is naked
Yes but our heart is chenue
We have reserve
We fall from the naked ones
Absurd witch
We fall from the naked ones
We fall from the naked ones
That one prevented release
It us exténue
We fall from the naked ones
And I...
But fall from the naked ones
You tombs of the naked ones
The whole world falls from the naked ones
The love falls from the naked ones
And lives the naked women!
Posted by: Delphi2005 || 05/30/2006 10:04 Comments || Top||

#6  There are one million stories in the naked city, . . . .
Posted by: Mike || 05/30/2006 10:08 Comments || Top||

#7  ..."Let's be two of them"
Posted by: Seafarious || 05/30/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Nues: can be clouds or naked (women) depending of context.

Also "tomber des nues" litterally "fall from the clouds" is receive news who have totally surprised you and forced to major reevaluation on someone or something.
Posted by: JFM || 05/30/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Nuee Ardente:
http://www.volcanolive.com/nuee.html
Posted by: mojo || 05/30/2006 11:04 Comments || Top||

#10  Nues: can be clouds or naked (women) depending of context.

Let's not forget that Nut was the ancient Egyptian goddess of the night whose naked body formed the night sky.

Coincidence? I report, you decide.
Posted by: Xbalanke || 05/30/2006 13:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Rantburg U strikes again: now we're learning French, criminy.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/30/2006 16:19 Comments || Top||

#12  So, what is a nutjob ? Is it different at night ?
Posted by: wxjames || 05/30/2006 16:42 Comments || Top||

#13  So, what is a nutjob ? Is it different at night ?

Properly performed, it takes two and if you're lucky, yes.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 20:30 Comments || Top||


Britain
25 injured in cheese chase
TWENTY-FIVE people were injured today at an annual cheese-rolling competition in which daredevils chase giant cheese wheels down a steep slope in western England.
Ooooh! Mom! Take me there!
Dozens took part in the bizarre event at Cooper's Hill in Brockworth, Gloucestershire, before a crowd of about 3000 laughing and cheering spectators. They raced for 200m down the slope after the wheel-shaped Double Gloucester cheese, decorated in a blue and red ribbon. Many slipped, somersaulted and tumbled their way to the bottom during five bone-crunching races over two hours.
"Ow! Oooh! Ouch! Ack! Damn this is — SNAP! Aaaaaiiiiieeee! — fun!
Of the 25 people hurt, 12 were spectators, one of whom was hit by one of the hard, dinner-plate-sized cheeses used in each race, but only two people were taken to hospital for further assessment.
"Hmmm... Quiet cheese race this year, eh, Doctor Bob?"
"Sure is, Percy. Here, hold this while I stitch him up!"
The organisers said the number of injuries was comparatively low. "We usually average around 30-40 people who need treatment," said Jim Jones, operations training manager for St John Ambulance. "The most serious injuries this year appear to be a dislocated finger and a possible fractured ankle," he told Britain's Press Association.
"Aye, lad! Used to be there wuz bodies strewn aboot as far as the eye can see! 'Tain't like the olde days, more's the pity!"
The wet weather helped protect the racers, as they were able to slide down the slope rather than tumble head-over-heels, said organiser Richard Jefferies. "It's been a very successful year," he said.
"Aye. Successful it was! Not one cheese escaped!"
Among the winners of the five races was Chris Anderson, 18, who knocked himself out to claim the title. Afterwards, the dazed window fitter said: "I just ran, fell and hit my head. I feel sore but it was definitely worth it." First prize in each race is a big circle of cheese.
"Grommet! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
People from as far afield as Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden and the United States travel to the hill every year to take part in the cheese roll. The unusual event has been celebrated for centuries and is thought to have its roots in a heathen festival to celebrate the return of spring.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/30/2006 09:24 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Better headline:

"Chestershires chortle as cheddar chasers are chafed"
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 05/30/2006 12:11 Comments || Top||

#2  SILLY< SILLY < SILLY !!!
Posted by: ARMYGUY || 05/30/2006 14:23 Comments || Top||

#3  "I know, Gromit, we'll go somewhere where there's cheese!"
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 16:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Remember, keep whistling, walk quietly, there's nothing to worry about. Just regular Brits, good folks, salt-of-the-earth. With 48 D-5 Tridents.


RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBNNNNNNNNN!
Posted by: 6 || 05/30/2006 18:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Coming soon to Spike TV's "MXC"...
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/30/2006 19:04 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Odd case of the three arm baby
Posted by: tipper || 05/30/2006 02:35 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  radiation caused that
Posted by: Anon1 || 05/30/2006 8:35 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Rowe caught out in Timor interview
The Rowe woman is particularly annoying, becuase she can't shut up and constantly interrupts people including her co-host who obviously loathes the woman. BTW, I'm boycotting this show because of another blatant piece of manufactured news about a week ago. Video at the link.
AN Australian military commander has tried to ensure truth does not become a casualty of conflict in East Timor, but has embarrassed Today show co-host Jessica Rowe in the process.

Australian commander in East Timor Brigadier Michael Slater appeared this morning in a live cross from Dili to Channel 9's Today show, with helmeted and heavily armed Australian soldiers standing behind him. He was pressed by Today host Jessica Rowe about whether Dili really was as safe as the Australian military claimed, given the presence of armed soldiers at his shoulder.

Pausing briefly, Brig Slater replied: "Jessica I feel quite safe, yes, but not because I've got these armed soldiers behind me that were put there by your stage manager here to make it look good.

"I don't need these guys here.

"It is not safe on the streets, as it is back home in Sydney or Brisbane – no it's not, if it was we wouldn't be here. But things are getting better every day."

Rowe apologised, saying she didn't realise the guards had been placed specifically for the interview.

But Rowe ran into more trouble when she persisted with her line of questioning, and referred to footage of looting and violence. Brig Slater told her the pictures were a "couple of days old".

TV rival Channel 7 gleefully circulated grabs of the interview this morning, enjoying an element of revenge after Nine's taunting over its exclusive interview with the Beaconsfield mine survivors.
Posted by: phil_b || 05/30/2006 05:15 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rowe couldn't help it. If she didn't know, she didn't know. She's a newsreader, a presenter, not a journalist.

Anyway who the hell cares? 7 versus 9?

It's what you expect from the Today show.
Posted by: Anon1 || 05/30/2006 8:52 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Flags Shown for First Time Since 1780
Posted by: 3dc || 05/30/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Science & Technology
Ever wonder who is getting mapped?
Denver, Colo. (May 24, 2006): Intermap Technologies Corp. (TSX: IMP) today announced that its Intermap Federal Services subsidiary has been awarded a $5.6 million contract to collect and deliver geographic three-dimensional elevation and imagery data via Intermap's radar mapping technology. Under the agreement, the company will deliver Digital Surface Model (DSM) and Orthorectified Radar Imagery (ORI) data incrementally through 2006 and into early 2007.

The collected data will enable Intermap's client to update topographic maps and digital databases for terrain that has not been accurately mapped or updated in recent years. Accurate geospatial information is important for the client in order to support and drive solutions within the region.

"Intermap has delivered data to this particular client for multiple years and the repeat business is a testament to the value and level of service we continue to deliver to the market," commented Michael Bullock, vice president of engineering and president of Intermap Federal Services. "We are pleased to have the opportunity to provide highly accurate digital elevation data and imagery that enable our client to have the most accurate geospatial information available for the region."
Posted by: DanNY || 05/30/2006 07:07 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  News Flash: Iran orders thousands of radar jammers from after-midnight radio ad.
Posted by: glenmore || 05/30/2006 8:05 Comments || Top||


Hacking the Roomba - fun
Hacking the Roomba cleaning robot.
Hit the link and enjoy.
Posted by: 3dc || 05/30/2006 01:02 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I've wanted to get a Roomba but the wife isn't going for it. I think she suspects I won't actually use it to vacuum the floor. I think she knows me too well.
Posted by: Jonathan || 05/30/2006 6:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Jonathon,

I bought the wife one the Christmas before last, it really isn't quit as useful as I would like on carpeting, but does a decent job on bare wooden floors. It has the hardest time in rooms with area rugs. The changes in elevation screw it up.

Heh, my wife also claims it was a present for myself! I argue that it shows true love!

You be the judge!

Haven't tried to hack it....yet!

Posted by: DanNY || 05/30/2006 7:18 Comments || Top||

#3  We've got an early model, and it works just fine. It handles the dog hair a lot better than I expected.
Posted by: Mike || 05/30/2006 10:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Nice little unit.
Posted by: Pappy || 05/30/2006 10:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Until it can handle the dog, forget it.
Posted by: 6 || 05/30/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
LED reaches 80 lumens per watt
LED Lighting Fixtures, Inc. Sets World Record at 80 Lumens per Watt for Warm White Fixture
Tuesday May 30, 8:00 am ET

PRNewswire/ -- LED Lighting Fixtures Inc. (LLF) today announced another record in solid state fixture performance at 80 lumens per watt...providing 600 lumens of warm white light at a color temperature of 3100 Kelvin...from a residential voltage AC power source was 7.5 watts. The company used LEDs supplied by Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE - News [discosure - my family owns a few thousand shares]). These results reflect a ten percent increase in efficiency from the company's previous record of 73 lumens per watt announced on April 24, 2006.

context: incandescent bulbs are about 10-20 lumens per watt and last 500-2500 hours; fluorescent bulbs about 50-80 lumens per watt and last 10,000 to 20,000 hours; LED bulbs should last 50,000 hours.

also, there is more progress possible in LED; at this time, it seems likely that we can achieve 110 lumens per watt in the next 3 years. - widespread use of LEDs could lower US electrical consumption substantially and could reduce electricity costs of lighting by 80% in the 3rd world
Posted by: mhw || 05/30/2006 08:48 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  mhw, be a darling and make sure to let us know when we can start buying these to replace the regular lightbulbs at home? I've gone to compact fluorescents where I can, but am looking forward to enriching your family and fellow shareholders as soon as Mr. Wife can be pursuaded that the pay-out time is reasonable. Thanks for keeping us informed!!
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/30/2006 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Energy saving bulbs only save energy in summer when the extra heat of filament lights are a waste.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 05/30/2006 11:29 Comments || Top||

#3  some stuff is already for sale

see: http://www.superbrightleds.com/edison.html

but to be honest they aren't that good yet; the next generation of products will be quite a bit better but will probably require another two years or so to reach the retail market;
also, the compact fluorescents now for sale are pretty good for many applications (e.g., table lamps).

the most promising market for LEDs is commercial - the amount of lighting needed in offices and industrial sites and malls is huge and LEDs can be installed in all kinds of decorator styles; the other bonus is that the air conditioning requirement created by the waste heat of lighting is also huge.
Posted by: mhw || 05/30/2006 11:32 Comments || Top||

#4  bright pebbles

that may be true in a residential dwelling with 365 day climate control however,

In many offices, industrial buildings, etc. the heat load from lighting, computers, coffee makers, people, etc. creates a heat surplus most of the year; in southern states the heat surplus is a 10-11 month event
Posted by: mhw || 05/30/2006 11:48 Comments || Top||

#5  The cost savings realized by conversion from incandescent lamps to LEDs is so significant that most municipal corporation yards go out and switch over traffic signal indicators even before the incandescent bulb burns out. When you factor in the reduced amount of heat emission (and consequent thermal cycling of the fixture and related equipment) the reduction in detrimental effects to both environment and capital equipment is tremendous.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 11:57 Comments || Top||

#6  One thing I haven't understood about LED lighting is why they are still individually packing each LED. It seems much cheaper to produce grids of LEDs and use a lens to obtain the desired light pattern.
Posted by: ed || 05/30/2006 12:01 Comments || Top||

#7  The other thing most folks don't think about when it comes to lamps is the labor cost. In an office setting, the labor to install the lamp can be 80% of the cost.

High bay lighting that requires scaffolding can be ridiculously expensive to change. Many places will also use a group relamping strategy and just replace all the lamps in a building or floor in one fell swoop. Cheaper than having some guy come out and replace them as they fail one by one.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 05/30/2006 12:39 Comments || Top||

#8  It seems much cheaper to produce grids of LEDs and use a lens to obtain the desired light pattern.

Already being done. Exact configuration depends on the application. Check out the LED flashlights next time you go shopping for an example.
Posted by: SteveS || 05/30/2006 13:17 Comments || Top||

#9  the long life of LED is, as noted above, a big advantage

in theory, there is no obvious barrier to producing devices with a lifetime of 100 years... there is, however, a barrier to testing devices to assure that they have long lifetimes

one of the marketing/certification problems that CREE and others have to overcome, is to develop a combination of physical testing and simulation that has enough credibility to be used to say that the product has the lifetime they say it has
Posted by: mhw || 05/30/2006 13:32 Comments || Top||

#10  mhw, accelerated lifetime device reliability testing already does that and has been in use with well-established results for a very long time. Running a device to end-of-life failure at 125-150% power levels can give you a very accurate assessment of its nominal power lifetime duration.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 13:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Steve,
All my LED lights are composed of discrete LEDs, each in its own packaging and lens that is then mounted in some pattern through a reflector. That seems expensive and wasteful. I am talking about an LED strip that is in one package/lens combo. Extend that for the 2-D for an area emitter, though a large 2-D emitter will likely heat dissipation problems, a 1-D strip's heat dissipation should be easily manageable. This was done for the semiconductor lasers I used more than 10 years ago.
Posted by: ed || 05/30/2006 13:45 Comments || Top||

#12  Well, on my last Space Shuttle trip, heat dissipation wasn't a problem......
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 05/30/2006 14:41 Comments || Top||

#13  zen

It is true that you can simulate, say 5 years, by running the device for, say 1 year, at higher than rated power levels and rely on calibration based on a standard test procedure done for 5 years which compared the 5-year normal power and the 1 year extra power.

However, no such calibration has been done to measure a 100-year normal power device against a 2 year test of extra power (not to mention the problem of whether the company will be in business in 100 years to honor its warranty). I may believe an extrapolation from the 5 year/1 year test combined with some other test. You might believe such an extrapolation. The question is whether the wholesaler will believe it.
Posted by: mhw || 05/30/2006 14:47 Comments || Top||

#14  Considering how they now have LEDs that successfully operate in the automotive environment (one of the most grueling [i.e., shock, vibration, solvents, thermal cycling etc.] besides deep-space), I'd wager that the relatively benign household applications won't pose too much of a problem. Overall, this is nothing that a nice warranty package can't solve, regardless of actual device lifetime.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 16:24 Comments || Top||

#15  Time for a dose of reality.

Call me when they are affordable. I can get compact flourecents for a buck each if I shop or get them on sale.

The cost needs to come way down. These devices are just too costly to be realistic as a replacement for current lighting in most cases. Last time I checked I saw one for 25 dollars. It was the cheapest I found. Having not have any real personal income since 1999 this not an item I will be purchasing anytime soon.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 05/30/2006 16:32 Comments || Top||

#16  The cost needs to come way down.

Capitalism and the economies of scale are your friends here. Think about VCRs or DVD players. The early adopters paid about a kilo-buck. The first consumer models were around $500. Today you can buy one for tens of dollars. Lasers did the same thing as they went from expensive laboratory experiment => solid state device => cheap component in consumer electronics. If there is a buck to be made, it will happen.
Posted by: SteveS || 05/30/2006 18:52 Comments || Top||

#17  If there is a buck to be made, it will happen.

This is why I mention a warranty program as the solution to product lifetime issues (think Craftsman tools). Gotta love capitalism.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/30/2006 20:33 Comments || Top||



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