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-Great Cultural Revolution
Literal communists ask themselves, 'Why did the Ukraine War unhinge liberals so much?'
No one censored the headline. Likely the poster used double quotes which the server will not display
[HexBear] Prior to the conflict, I wasn’t a fan of liberals. But at least they were better than conservatives because they didn’t want to glass the Middle East, protested against the Iraq war, made fun of right wing bullshit on Fox News, and didn’t want to gun down Muslims or Hispanics. Or so I thought.

Liberals have gone full fascist and are literally regurgitating 1930s Nazi talking points about the Slavs. As I Russian speaker, I stopped going on most subreddits now due to the obscene racism. I’ve seen shit ranging from "Aktually, Ruzzians are not white or European" to "Lets break Russia up and commit mass ethnic cleansing". It’s not even just Russians, I’ve seen a massive surge in racist posts about Chinese and Indian people since the war started.

Liberals are literally swallowing the most inane nonsense from Ukraine like "Russian orcs shocked at seeing toilets for the first time". And lets not forget the "Russian brainpan too smol to launch nukes so lets nuke them ourselves" posts all over Reddit.

Anyone who even remotely suggests that we shouldn’t arm and send 16 year old Ukrainians to be blown up in human wave attacks is called a Kremlin agent.

Amazingly, many right-wingers like Dr. Jordan Peterson or Candace Owens have better takes on the situation than liberals do. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
Maybe they always were.
Does Dr. Peterson no longer describe himself as a liberal?
Posted by: Thromoger Shease8409 || 10/24/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Headline has been censored. The submitted text read Literal communists ask themselves, "Why did the Ukraine War unhinge liberals so much?"
Posted by: Thromoger Shease8409 || 10/24/2022 0:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Fallen for the trap of the radical Left using the word 'liberal'.
"Feelings, nothing more than feelings"
Is not a basis for a civilization.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/24/2022 7:42 Comments || Top||

#3  These are the far left, communists. They are not liberal. They are the furthest thing from liberal. Liberals believe in free speech and Enlightenment values. Leftists say things like "liberals are objectively the moderate wing of fascism".

This social media site can't handle escaping quotes to inject them into the database? Seriously? That sort of thing was fixed back during the Apache server era.

The whole link is good reading. I look forward to the conversation.
Posted by: Thromoger Shease8409 || 10/24/2022 8:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Anyone who thinks Candace Owens has a superior take on anything is mentally unfit. So far, she has advised the US to invade Australia and Canada, I assume she'll want war on Switzerland next.

Far as Ukraine goes, Russia invaded Ukraine and has caused tremendous suffering and the logic was simply to force Ukraine to stop having an independent identity from Russians, it's that simple.

It's in our national interests to help weaken a nation like Russia who is the junior partner of China, it hurts both parties.
The US since 1945 has always opposed Russian expansionism, why is now a bad time to do that?
Posted by: Omineling Forkbeard1962 || 10/24/2022 10:15 Comments || Top||

#5  FOCKBEARD!
Posted by: Ominenter Tingle2818 || 10/24/2022 10:27 Comments || Top||

#6  Peterson is a liberal college professor. Has been all his life. They are calling him right-wing because he objects to compelled speech regarding trans people. This says nothing about Peterson himself. It only demonstrates how much the left has moved.
Posted by: Angstrom || 10/24/2022 10:50 Comments || Top||

#7  Jordan Peterson or Candace Owens

Two troubling nut jobs.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/24/2022 10:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Comments from the link (you really should click through):

"It occurs to me that some people on this website might be too young to remember the Iraq War, but yeah this is the exact kind of slavering bloodlust that swept the nation then too"

"As an old who remembers those days starting in 2001 well, I totally agree - with one exception…

…This is worse. There’s been a total and utter lack of any visable opposition ot this war or escalating conflict in general, the media consesus is far stronger, and notions of acceptable thought have narrowed far more than back then (unless you’re some nazi-adjacent crackpot grifter).

Liberals have always been bloodthirsty, uncritically nationalist flag wavers for atrocity with the benefit of a ‘just war’ narrative. But I also think people are still underestimating the effects of a 20 year project of extreme media consolidation, the mainstreaming and control of the interent, and history’s biggest ever domestic propaganda misinformation campaign over the last decade. The scope and ability of that last one especially puts anything the McCarthy era could have considered to absolute shame."

"I’m in my early 40s and agree on all points. I remember the Iraq and Afghanistan pro-war propaganda very well. And what’s happening in the western media today dwarfs even that."
Posted by: Thromoger Shease8409 || 10/24/2022 11:52 Comments || Top||

#9  This social media site can't handle escaping quotes to inject them into the database? Seriously? That sort of thing was fixed back during the Apache server era.


Homemade websites develop little quirks in the code over time, Thromoger Shease8409. Rantburg’s code also dislikes spam and has a secret list of key words that go along with that — it’s all part of the fun.

If you want the smooth experience of actual social media sites Facebook or Twitter, it takes large teams of full time professional coders instead of a single genius playing in his home office during his free time.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 12:07 Comments || Top||

#10  I'd love to see some links suggesting Candice Owens is a nut because everything I've heard her say was pretty reasonable.
Posted by: ruprecht || 10/24/2022 12:14 Comments || Top||

#11  ^ Admitting you never hear anything you don't want to hear isn't a good tell.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/24/2022 12:18 Comments || Top||

#12  That is an interesting read when I'm asking to see things I' haven't seen rather than shying away from them.

One might say insulting rather than providing evidence isn't a good look, it makes it look like your point was a lie.
Posted by: ruprecht || 10/24/2022 12:21 Comments || Top||

#13  Asking others to do your homework for you is a dodge.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/24/2022 12:25 Comments || Top||

#14  Rantburg’s code also dislikes spam and has a secret list of key words that go along with that — it’s all part of the fun.

One of the amazing things about Rantburg is that there is no recorded 'membership' and you don't have to 'login' like Facistbook and Twatter. Yet there is very little spam. And few trolls (aka Chew Toys). Few flamewars. (Just enough for spice) This is a testament to Fred and the Mods.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/24/2022 12:32 Comments || Top||

#15  Rantburg used to have a graphic where this cute hippie chick was saying something to the effect that, "She never knew how cool war could be until Baraq Obama started one." I think that would be appropriate here if we could change it from Baraq Obama to Joe Biden.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/24/2022 12:32 Comments || Top||

#16  Russia has a legitimate beef with US client state Ukraine. Russia wants Ukraine back under its influence, and she will destroy it if she has to.

The problem with using the might of American weapons against the Russians is that the Russian are learning, and making workarounds in responding. At some point they'll stop using Soviet tactics and doctrine, and then they will adapt a uniquely Russian doctrine for use against NATO, et al.

Russia wants what it wants, and will lose the war. But Volodya intends to win the peace.
Posted by: badanov || 10/24/2022 12:34 Comments || Top||

#17  Drinks, girlie photos, quirky analyses, sometimes going where no 'expert' can, some zany outbursts of passion, nonsense that rhymes, badanov's reports on Rooshia, the occasional slingfest or bar fight. And there's always at least two firmly opinionated adults bickering. 😸
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 12:39 Comments || Top||

#18  "So far, she has advised the US to invade Australia and Canada."

Western Liberal Democracies are having problems with tyranny, and voting doesnt seem to work. Do you think the Dutch want to give up their farms? No. Do you think Americans want to give up gasoline powered cars? No. If voting our way out of tyranny doesnt work, what will? C.Owens cut to the chase - how do we escape tyranny if voting doesnt solve the tyranny problem (tyranny of advocacy) in Western Liberal Democracies?
Posted by: mossomo || 10/24/2022 12:54 Comments || Top||

#19  from The American Conservative:

Woke War 3
Neocons and pro-war liberals are making it impossible to discuss options to endless war in Ukraine. We've been here before


David Frum set the neocon standard for this tactic when he branded the small number of pundits on the Right who opposed the Iraq War as "Unpatriotic Conservatives" at the outset of that strategic disaster. Fast forward to today and anyone who suggests that NATO expansion could have been a contributing factor to the current Ukraine crisis, or that the sanctions imposed on Russia are not working and have backfired on a soon-to-be-shivering Europe, or even that the U.S. must prioritize avoiding a world war with a nuclear-armed Russia, is denounced as a Putin stooge.
Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged.

Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons. And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe.

Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses.

It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one.

Posted by: Billy B || 10/24/2022 12:55 Comments || Top||

#20  #13 Asking others to do your homework for you is a dodge.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022


People on this board are very knowledgable and generally willing o share insights and knowledge freely. This is especially helpful in the days when Google will hide things they don't like. A search brings up her making rhetorical points not meant to be taken serious, I was hoping you based your statements on more than that.
Posted by: ruprecht || 10/24/2022 14:12 Comments || Top||

#21  I think that would be appropriate here if we could change it from Baraq Obama to Joe Biden.

You differentiate?
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/24/2022 16:12 Comments || Top||

#22  ^ I dunno, Skid. I really don't anymore. It might be reasonable to suspect that Obama is the one who is pulling Biden's strings. But I always suspected somebody was pulling Obama's strings.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/24/2022 18:30 Comments || Top||

#23  They're both just faces, of course, front men if you will, good at reading from a teleprompter but astonishingly stupid when they go off script. Lord knows where the real power is.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/24/2022 18:33 Comments || Top||

#24  Abu, I always thought of it as the "Soros Axis" of gentrified whites and racial hustlers (often white academics) Vs. 'The Olde White Guard' coalition of union workers and poor Southern Whites (The Clinton Bunch). With CCF money they no longer needed the trade unions or poor whites...
Posted by: magpie || 10/24/2022 21:20 Comments || Top||

#25  Rantburg used to have a graphic where this cute hippie chick was saying something to the effect that, "She never knew how cool war could be until Baraq Obama started one."

Abu Uluque, the currently accessible images library is here, including some that are archived rather than active. Happy searching!
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 21:47 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
The Naval War in Ukraine - The Moskva, Missiles & Lessons
[YouTube] The Russian Black Sea Fleet entered the Ukrainian war as the unchallenged master of that body of water. Ukraine's own fleet was small and less modern, and the opening weeks of the war were dominated by news of the Russian fleet launching missile attacks and threatening naval landings that pinned down Ukrainian forces in Odessa.

But when the Moskva sank, the pattern of naval activity changed dramatically. Now, the Russian fleet stays mostly away from the Ukrainian cost, nervous of missile, drone, and air threats posed by an opponent whose own navy is mostly neutralised.

In this episode I look at the evolving war in the Black Sea, the evolution and role of the Russian navy there, the sinking of the Moskva - and what if any lessons foreign observers might be taking from the war at sea so far.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/24/2022 10:09 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I just finished rereading The Hunt for Red October (1984) and noticed one of the task forces hunting Red October was led by the Moskva.

Musta been some kinda important ship, da?
Posted by: Bobby || 10/24/2022 16:28 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
No discussion on a Chinese invasion of Taiwan can take place without examining PLA's JFS.
[Twitter-long-thread]
This is a "long" opinion piece on Twitter so open it there and follow the threads

Posted by: 3dc || 10/24/2022 07:39 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Commies

#1  Sorry, no spikka da Twit.
Posted by: Mercutio || 10/24/2022 10:22 Comments || Top||

#2  ...SHORT VERSION: The PRC will have to pull off a clockwork strike with a couple dozen different facets to it. They have the tools to do it, but whether or not they can use those tools - we've never seen them try to practice anything this big and complex, and Communist dictatorships are not known for their ability to improvise when The Plan goes pear-shaped - is another matter entirely.

If - IF - everything goes perfectly, they might pull it off.

Mike
Posted by: MikeKozlowski || 10/24/2022 11:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Mike, remember the Suez Canal Crossing in 1973? The Egyptian General Staff wargamed that operation for years and the first day went like clockwork. The question is what the PLA will do *after* the initial pre-planned operation (Hint: the Egyptian Army in 1973 did not do so well when they were forced to "improvise"...).
Posted by: magpie || 10/24/2022 12:39 Comments || Top||

#4  One of the major questions about the PLA is not if they can do it, but if they can keep up the tempo needed. China can launch a few strikes, but we have seen them struggle with keeping it going. For example our carriers can keep a good tempo of strikes for weeks and practice at it. Western observers have noticed that every time China tries to do it, things go pear shaped after the first day or so and they can't keep up. Things break, accidents happen, etc.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/24/2022 13:25 Comments || Top||

#5 
Sun Tzu said, 'Keep cool head!
The heavier you are,
the quicker you fall dead!
And if all your jets,
are cheap bootlegs,
don't go begging for Yankee lead.'



Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 13:35 Comments || Top||

#6  As an aside, the CCP Party Convention closing day removal by Xi of Hu Jintao as a video seen worldwide was also a classic Mandarin Imperial power display as the entire 500 person audience sat stone faced staring ahead. The significance to Taiwan was the Hu Jintao was still an influential senior leader and had been a strong opponent to resolving the Taiwan issue by force. I have to believe the symbolism was crystal clear to everyone, that that point of view ws not acceptable. Come January, whilst we are navel-gazing t the new power alignments in DC, I wonder what might happen?
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/24/2022 14:12 Comments || Top||

#7  a fully coordinated invasion of Taiwan would require weeks of logistical prep, massing of platforms, movement of troops

everybody would know and have counter measures prepared
Posted by: lord garth || 10/24/2022 15:38 Comments || Top||

#8  NoMoreBS: I think part of the misreporting going around about Hu is that they're neglecting to mention that he was also more or less carried into the Congress and is reportedly suffering from some sort of health problems, most likely Parkinsons.

The report I heard secondhand said he was brought into the Congress despite being sick as a symbol of continuity between his rule and Xi's.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 10/24/2022 18:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Mike, remember the Suez Canal Crossing in 1973? The Egyptian General Staff wargamed that operation for years and the first day went like clockwork.

Then after that it fell apart. Incapable of 'what do we do next'. They couldn't stick their nose out of the AAA canopy without getting whacked. Once the Israelis got across the canal and were cleaning up that element, it was all over.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/24/2022 19:23 Comments || Top||

#10  Procopius2k, I prefer the theory stated in Kenneth M. Pollack's Arabs At War: the Egyptian had analyzed the Israeli doctrine, Israeli dispositions and wargamed, wargamed and wargamed so more until they had "The Plan". An orchestrated series of 'hour by hour' instructions that looked like a 'new model Arab Army that could defeat the Jews'. The problems started when the "36 hour plan' was completed and the Syrians started screaming for the Egyptians to do ANYTHING and Do It Now! At that point things returned to the normal mediocrity...
Posted by: magpie || 10/24/2022 20:06 Comments || Top||

#11  Mr. Wife almost was arrested in Cairo in 1987 or so when he raised his camera in the direction of the sentries standing guard at the end of the street, with their footwear and weapons both picturesquely held together with duct tape. So he left the photo untaken, but described it in astonishment when he got home — convinced that if the guns actually held bullets, they could not possibly have been capable of actually firing... and if firing was a possibility, actually hitting the intended target was most certainly not. To be fair, Egypt was only his second very foreign country (when one grows up near Niagara Falls, Canada doesn’t count as truly foreign), back in the early years of his career, so he didn’t realize how unastonishing that was.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 22:17 Comments || Top||

#12  ^ the bullets were made of duct tape
Posted by: Spanky the Bunyip7682 || 10/24/2022 22:38 Comments || Top||

#13  *snicker*
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 23:24 Comments || Top||


Europe
Germany could witness a cash renaissance as its economy continues to deteriorate
[REMIX] It may already have seemed that inflation in the West is slowly approaching its peak, but that is not the case. Considering the numbers coming from Germany, inflation cannot be even close to its peak.

Producer prices in Germany increased by a record 45.8 percent year-over-year in September, the same as in August. Energy prices, which rose by 132.2 percent year-over-year, had the most impact on this. The only positive thing about this is that the month-over-month growth slowed a little due to the drop in commodity prices. However, for consumers, it follows that consumer inflation, which lags behind the so-called production inflation, must still climb. We cannot lie about this.

For Germans, however, the following sentence, which German statisticians added as a comment to the numbers, sounds the most frightening: "Compared to the same period last year, August and September recorded the highest increase in producer prices since the start of the survey in 1949."

Germany is extremely sensitive to mentions of inflation or public debt. To understand why, we have to go back in history. The pre-war hyperinflation in Germany was caused by the fact that Germany could not finance the reparations from World War I. It began to pay its reparations with debt and started to monetize this debt, printing uncovered inflationary money and using it to pay off the debt. The result was hyperinflation and total economic disruption. Many historians believe it was this economic undergrowth that brought Hitler to power and marked World War II.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/24/2022 06:14 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  At least when they printed it, they ran into a limit on how much they they could print. With everything in the computer, its just adding more zeros.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/24/2022 7:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Firewood will be the most valuable commodity in Germany this winter.
Posted by: Geheime || 10/24/2022 10:05 Comments || Top||


#4  Digital currency as a replacement for actual cash is an utter insanity and will be the death of privacy and independence from government controls.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/24/2022 14:15 Comments || Top||

#5  Time to reopen the coal mines? As I recall, Germany has plenty of coal…
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 14:49 Comments || Top||

#6  But, tw, remember that burning coal creates CO2, which causes climate change.
Better to freeze in the dark than that.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/24/2022 14:56 Comments || Top||

#7  Germany's gas reserves are 97% full. European natural gas price has dropped to pre-war levels.

In the meantime, Russian market share of European gas has dropped from 40% to 7%.
Posted by: Angineper Elmusing174 || 10/24/2022 21:45 Comments || Top||

#8  Germany's gas reserves are 97% full.

The Germans are disciplined. Is anyone else over there anywhere as close to ready for winter? And how much of what everyone is buying is actually transshipped and relabelled product from countries under sanction — Russia and Iran, to start with.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 22:21 Comments || Top||


New data shows immigrants are driving down wages for German workers
[REMIX] The left-liberal German government’s immigration policy is depressing wages for skilled German workers, says Alternative for Germany (AfD) social affairs expert René Springer. He adds that even though the government poses as a left-wing champion, its actual economic policy is aggressive neo-liberalism.

"The state is now only a vicarious agent of a neo-liberal policy to lower wage costs on the backs of employees," the member of the Bundestag told German news portal Junge Freiheit.

Springer’s request to the federal government inquiring about the wage differences between Germans and foreigners, which the government answered, was made exclusively available to Junge Freiheit. According to the government report, German employees earned an average of €3,643 in 2021, more than €900 higher than foreigners, who have an average salary of €2,728. The gap has more than doubled since 2012, when it was €400 per month.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/24/2022 06:01 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The state is now only a vicarious agent of a neo-liberal policy to lower wage costs on the backs of employees"

Ja, Wir fühlen Ihren Schmerz (Yes, we feel your pain). It should come no surprise that there are many other "neo-liberal policies" in play as well.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/24/2022 6:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Flood the market with supply/labor and the costs go down. The Left still hasn't figured that out and continue to collude with those who use lots of labor. WHo is using who?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/24/2022 7:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Seems to be the plan here as well.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/24/2022 11:45 Comments || Top||

#4  So you have inflation on one end and lower wages on the other, energy shortages and a frickin' cold winter on the way. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/24/2022 12:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Blake Masters: Every County Is a Border County in Democrat Mark Kelly and Joe Biden's America
[Breitbart] Surging Republican Blake Masters blasted Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ), his opponent in Arizona’s U.S. Senate race, for his inaction on border security while appearing on Sirius XM’s Breitbart News Saturday as the Department of Homeland Security reports more than 227,000 illegal migrant encounters at the southern border last month.

While responding to host Matthew Boyle’s question about the staggering influx of September border crossers, Masters called out Kelly, President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for “caus[ing] the crisis.”

“What’d they think was gonna happen when they threw open the border and forbade our brave men and women of border patrol and ICE [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] from deporting anybody? They welcomed illegal aliens in and incentivized them. ‘Come on in. Not only will we not deport you. We’ll pay you cash, hotel rooms, bus tickets, plane tickets.’ And so yeah, they caused the crisis,” said Masters.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/24/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under: Migrants/Illegal Immigrants


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Alleged assassination in Nablus may signal major Israeli policy change in West Bank
[IsraelTimes] Death of Lion’s Den member bears hallmarks of attacks previously attributed to Israel, with officials similarly mum on reports

The early Sunday morning death of a senior member of a loosely organized Paleostinian terror group known as Lion’s Den in a kaboom in the West Bank city of Nablus would be an almost unprecedented action by Israel, if it was indeed behind the killing.

Tamer Kilani, a member of the upstart organization — which has claimed near-nightly attacks on Israeli troops and civilians during a crackdown on Nablus — was killed at approximately 1:30 a.m. when an bomb attached to a cycle of violence detonated in Nablus’s Old City, according to the group and Paleostinian media reports.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 01:36 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under:


Science & Technology
Suggestive brain spin study
[JournalOf PhysicsCommunications]
Slow Sunday
Abstract
Recent proposals in quantum gravity have suggested that unknown systems can mediate entanglement between two known quantum systems, if the mediator itself is non-classical. This approach may be applicable to the brain, where speculations about quantum operations in consciousness and cognition have a long history. Proton spins of bulk water, which most likely interfere with any brain function, can act as the known quantum systems. If an unknown mediator exists, then NMR methods based on multiple quantum coherence (MQC) can act as an entanglement witness. However, there are doubts that today's NMR signals can contain quantum correlations in general, and specifically in the brain environment. Here, we used a witness protocol based on zero quantum coherence (ZQC) where we minimized the classical signals to circumvent the NMR detection limits for quantum correlation. For short repetitive periods, we found evoked signals in most parts of the brain, whereby the temporal appearance resembled heartbeat-evoked potentials (HEPs). We found that those signals had no correlates with any classical NMR contrast. Similar to HEPs, the evoked signal depended on conscious awareness. Consciousness-related or electrophysiological signals are unknown in NMR. Remarkably, these signals only appeared if the local properties of the magnetization were reduced. Our findings suggest that we may have witnessed entanglement mediated by consciousness-related brain functions. Those brain functions must then operate non-classically, which would mean that consciousness is non-classical.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/24/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OK, did anyone actually read this... if so did anyone understand it?
Posted by: Mercutio || 10/24/2022 10:19 Comments || Top||

#2  No on both counts.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/24/2022 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like one of those deep research papers in IEEE or ACM or some other journal. you read it over once or twice and come out with "What was that??"

Or: "What he said!"
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/24/2022 12:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Ha ha. Ass I understand it they're trying to say the brain is functioning mostly as a classical (non quantum) physical machine, but they've encountered phenomena like entanglement in the the brain. Which leads them to believe the brain is also a non-classical machine, and uses quantum phenomena to compute. This is not surprising since many things done daily by the brain, like daydreaming for instance, are so complex and quick, the train of thought superluminal, it is outperforming any quantum computers they can build, every second.

Now I know from my reading that there is a phenomenon where two neurons can seem to be entangled, as even disconnected and several inches apart, they can respond to the same stimuli and the brain as a result connotes a certain flavour with a color or an experience with a sound or smell. An entanglement of sorts occurs between unconnected neurons for reasons said to lie in the frequency of electrical potential. 2 Phase locking I think they call it [may be wrong]. And this phenomenon can occur even outside the organism, that is between two different subjects.

The brain is certainly an observer of the universe. But whose? If yours, then I'm a part of the show. If mine, you are. Naturally we jump to the statement, 'we all are observers!' If that is so, then how did we start to observe so similar to each other? Why does particle that decays in the box for you also decay for me, and the cat? Where did it start? Is all consciousness entangled?

These are interesting questions. Of course being a Christian we can posit that there is only really one consciousness, and everyone else is written from a template that is the Word. And everyone that is of Him is known to him and they manifest some of that word. But a material universe is required for... well whatever this is. A play? A test? A filtration for a sturdy race of individuals worthy of Him? What?

These guys meanwhile just wanna make better number crunchers and treat brain diseases, which is also great. Better folks than the sons of bitches playing with earpiece wearing mastodons and self replicating killer tomatoes.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 14:15 Comments || Top||

#5  ^^^
Obviously!
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/24/2022 14:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Brilliant, Dron.

this phenomenon can occur even outside the organism, that is between two different subjects.

I was reminded of the many generations of siblings gathering at a parent's deathbed and the wonder of memories that occur.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/24/2022 16:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Yes, exactly. While psychologists have refered to collective unconscious and neurobiologists insist there is something going on in the temporal and parietal lobes that generates the 'numinous', they are discounting love altogether. An element that is mysterious indeed and somehow central to our universe even if we haven't yet figured out how.

Oh, we have the literature, the words, 'God so loved', 'perfect love casteth out all fear' and such. Imagine a society where you loved thy neighbour like your siblings. It would be ideal. Science may knock at the door. But what answers, they don't want to meet it. They'd rather have something they can quantity, standardize and then fiddle with.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 16:40 Comments || Top||

#8  'God is love'. Where does one take that? What does one do with it? It is so simple the mind skims over it and then comes back to it, still confused. I think about these things a lot. 😶

God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 16:46 Comments || Top||

#9  Re #8: He that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Calls to mind the definition of grace as a participation in the life of God, that is, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Amazing grace, how sweet the sound!

<soapbox>
Science is not capable of understanding immaterial causes upon the material world, as the cause (by definition) cannot be observed/measured but not so the effect. The scientific method disallows appeals to the Divine, so they have no way to explain the effect because there is no (material) cause. It seems like magic, so such observations are discounted.

Presumably this is why science has difficulty with the mind vs body problem (assuming the mind (intellect) is in the soul and not only in the brain), angels and demons acting in the world, God's creation of the universe, etc. One needs philosophy or natural theology to get at such truths.
</soapbox>
Posted by: Enver Gleagum9725 || 10/24/2022 17:51 Comments || Top||

#10  Did I read it? Yes I did

Did I understand it? No I didn’t

When are we going to go back to concise economical academic writing

My dissertation chair would fry me like an egg for the mumbo jumbo in this paper
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2022 18:33 Comments || Top||

#11 
I can't see philosophy and theology, disciplines taught in institutions, Enver, as valuable to this pursuit though. They've been a waste of mankind's time in my opinion. Science is better any day. And science won't attack the word if it's honest. Because the word is unassailable. It is lucid, incontrovertible and not mysterious at all. It is so simple even a fool cannot err therein. Clever people come along and build seminaries and churches and creeds and nonsense and soon you have dogmas and statements like 'oohhh you just cannot know ye Olde mystery!'

The non deterministic basis of free will, and the totally quantum nature of faith as taught by Jesus are examples of the word and science entangled [no pun]. In fact, God has repeatedly told his followers to go ahead and play with the universe like it is putty. No rule was big enough.

He implied you could move a mountain just by believing it. That your act of telling it to move, none wavering in your belief, was enough. Almost as if everything that was being played out by the universe could be subjectively altered, gravity included. Gravity is an essential component of our reality. It is one of the four forces. But walking on water trashes it. Joshua stopped the earth's rotation by telling the darn sun to stop in the sky while his boys whupped the canaanites.

This is genuine wave collapsing phenomena. Changing material reality just by willingly observing it only one way, macroscopically! And it happened with Jesus all the time. Loaves and fishes. Wine from water. Eyes from mud! So much that he musta done, which is mentioned in simple words for us. I'm not saying we need to be scientific in our approach to God. I just mean that if universal phenomena is reported correctly and looked at in the light of the word, it will point back to him.

Much of how he placed the stars and the firmament is echoed thousands of years later in the discovery of dark matter and more fundamentally the branes that make particulate reality, that shape the forces. Energy gets form as matter by simply adjusting its frequencies. 'For God made the things which appear out of things that do not'. My point is we have not discovered the connections. It's not because they're not there. It's only because there are people behind pulpits that would rather waste time on convincing people about how a good Christian doesn't ask many questions.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 18:55 Comments || Top||

#12  Of course I may be wrong though.
Posted by: Dron66046 || 10/24/2022 18:56 Comments || Top||

#13  Modesty, thy name is Dron66046. ;-)

There are things that are not testable by the methods available to science, even the methods of historic sciences like geology/paleontology. Perhaps someday some of them will be, as new methods prove themselves, but I think there will always be somethings that require faith.

But trying out new ideas to see if those boundaries can be stretched is the proper realm of science, too.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2022 22:34 Comments || Top||



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