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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Beer Madness
Read about 32 different beers and vote for your favorites in the second round. I, myself, prefer Yuengling AND Shiner Bock, but only the Shiner made it to the second round.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/11/2007 09:12 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Can I vote for my own beer?
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/11/2007 9:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Have any of y'all tried the Abita 20th Anniversary Pilsener? If you get the chance, do. Strange this contest contained only the only Abita brew I don't care for (Purple Haze).
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/11/2007 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Anchor Steam for me
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 10:54 Comments || Top||

#4  A San Francisco Beer, who knew!
Posted by: Ulatle de Medici8597 || 03/11/2007 11:18 Comments || Top||

#5  actually there's a local beer I'm very partial to: Arrogant Bastard Ale from Stone Brewing Co.
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 11:29 Comments || Top||

#6  The West End Brewery in Utica, NY, (Saranac, Utica Club, Matt's) is coming out with Imperial IPA. I had a couple (8% yikes) and it's very good.

You know you've had a beer after that.
Posted by: JDB || 03/11/2007 11:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Allagash White for me (I'm a white/wheat beer guy).
Posted by: xbalanke || 03/11/2007 11:50 Comments || Top||

#8  Arrogent Bastard is Excellent brew, I also am partial to the ol' Newcastle.
Posted by: Ulatle de Medici8597 || 03/11/2007 11:56 Comments || Top||

#9  And each is available at the O-Club. See you there!
Posted by: Steve White || 03/11/2007 12:00 Comments || Top||

#10  king cobra. (sarcasm)
Posted by: sinse || 03/11/2007 12:32 Comments || Top||

#11  I recommend Honey Brown...at least as good as Shiner Bock.
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger || 03/11/2007 12:45 Comments || Top||

#12  I'm kinda partial to my homebrew ;)
Posted by: Jan from work || 03/11/2007 14:03 Comments || Top||

#13  China Poot Porter from Homer Brewing Co., Homer, Alaska. Grab a growler when yer down there.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/11/2007 14:05 Comments || Top||

#14  Arrogant Bastard is great. All of Stone's brews are great. I pick up a fresh growler when I'm in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot || 03/11/2007 14:49 Comments || Top||

#15  Plugin is to view is not one available in Linux. Only previous version.
So it's another poll Bill Gates is rigging.
Posted by: 3dc || 03/11/2007 15:47 Comments || Top||

#16  I like my Homebrew, too. Deacon Blues Stout is my favorite.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/11/2007 16:23 Comments || Top||

#17  Shiner Bock = Liquid Gold (especially on tap)
Posted by: DMFD || 03/11/2007 16:28 Comments || Top||

#18  The list doesn't include Mendocino Red Tail Ale. This is an outrage.
Posted by: mrp || 03/11/2007 17:53 Comments || Top||

#19  I vote for the bottle in front of me.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 03/11/2007 18:07 Comments || Top||

#20  Beer, it's not just for breakfast any more...

Honestly, the microbreweries are turning out some of the best beers around. I've sampled a great many over the years (Anchor Steam gets me wired and gives me a headache, drinking Guinness to me is like drinking coffee (ie I get a kind of caffeine buzz from it), and Pyramid brews are just downright tasty). I'm fortunate in that Schooner's in Antioch is a microbrewery. They pour nothing except their own beers brewed on premises (I prefer the American Ale since it's lighter, but has a kick); they did turn out one beer that flopped (a watermelon ale; tasted like rancid watermelon rind), but all the rest have been great).

If you ever get to Antioch (for some obscure reason), visit Schooner's on Lone Tree Way and get a sampler of their beers. You won't regret it (and they also offer growlers).

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 03/11/2007 18:21 Comments || Top||

#21  I don't know if they are still there but Cambridge Brewing Company in Cambridge, Mass. had excellant beer in '91-'92.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/11/2007 18:41 Comments || Top||

#22  Too many good American beers to name? What an excellent problem to have. Much better than, say, 25-30 yrs. ago, when young men would argue about the merits of Bud over Miller or Coors (couldn't touch Hamms, though). Blech.
Posted by: ArmChair in sin || 03/11/2007 19:22 Comments || Top||

#23  Victory Hopdevil Ale from the Victory Brewing Co. in Downingtown, PA.
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/11/2007 19:46 Comments || Top||

#24  I'd rather have a bottleinfrontofme than a frontallobotomy.
Posted by: Bunyip || 03/11/2007 21:00 Comments || Top||

#25  Bunyip, I hoped someone would post that!
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 03/11/2007 21:44 Comments || Top||

#26  uh huh...
Posted by: Tom Waits || 03/11/2007 22:11 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
The Great Global Warming Swindle
HT: LGF

In the case you haven't seen it, go watch. Even it's 1:15 long, it is worth every minute. Flash plugin required.
Posted by: twobyfour || 03/11/2007 04:29 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Africa North
Sunday Pres. elections in Mauritania
Mauritania will see a transfer of power from the military to a democratically-elected civilian government on Sunday when more than 1.1 million people will be called to the ballot boxes to elect their future president. "For the first time in their life, they will elect in free and transparent manner, without state interference," outgoing military junta leader Ely Ould Mohamed Vall said in an interview.

Vall toppled autocratic ruler Maaouiya Ould Taya in a bloodless coup that was initially condemned by the international community until he committed to the democratic changes. "This is the moment when Mauritanians will come of age," he declared. More than 2,400 polling stations will open between 7:00 am and 7:00 pm and voting is to be observed by some 300 international poll watchers.
Posted by: Fred || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "voting is to be observed by some 300 international poll watchers"

God help Mauritania if Jimmuh is one of them. He'll give the country back to the last dictator just like he did in Venezuela.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/11/2007 0:13 Comments || Top||


Egypt slams Washington over rights report
It's an annual display of eye-rolling and teeth-gnashing, as predictable as robins returning for the spring.
Have you ever noticed that you always know when you've seen the first robin of Spring, but never when you've seen the last robin of Fall?
So we'll never know when the Egyptians finally join the civilized world?
CAIRO - Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit lashed out at Washington on Saturday over its annual human rights report, which was critical of the situation in Egypt. ‘The State Department’s report and its allegations over the human rights situation in Egypt are inappropriate, since the United Nations has not given any state the right to be the guardian of the rights situation in the world,’ he told reporters.
Tell that to the Belgians.
‘Those who wrote the report have no idea about objective realities in the countries mentioned,’ said Abul Gheit, adding that the document is based on ‘imprecise and incomplete information.’
Once again we point out all the miseries and fallings, and once again they tell us to mind our own business.
‘The report overlooks the numerous recent positive developments in the field of human rights that have taken place in Egypt,’ he said.
I can't think of one, but perhaps someone can ...
The minister, whose country receives 1.8 billion dollars in US aid a year, underlined the ‘importance of US-Egyptian relations’ and identical views over the key principals of human rights.
Like free elections .. er, no .. like fair trials .. oops, no .. like respecting religious minorities .. oh definitely not that one ...
He admitted, however, that there were occasionally differences of opinion over the application of these principles.
"Like for example, we kill our religious minorities when they step out of line, and you don't."
Relations between the two countries were strained by the imprisonment in 2005 of opposition politician Ayman Nur and by US insistence on greater political openness in Egypt. Subsequently, however, Egyptian and international activists have noted a slackening of US rhetoric on democracy in Egypt, though the State Department’s Tuesday report was still highly critical. The report said ‘the government’s respect for human rights remained poor, and serious abuses continued in many areas,’ noting ‘torture and abuse of prisoners and detainees; poor conditions in prisons and detention centers; impunity; arbitrary arrest and detention.’
Posted by: Steve White || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Have you ever noticed that you always know when you've seen the first robin of Spring, but never when you've seen the last robin of Fall?

Part and parcel of the human condition.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/11/2007 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Do Southerners see the first robin of Fall? Or the last one of Spring?
Posted by: Jackal || 03/11/2007 8:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Do Southerners see the first robin of Fall? Or the last one of Spring?

Does it count if I Fell for a girl named robin in the Spring once?
Posted by: RD || 03/11/2007 10:17 Comments || Top||

#4  IMHO the first Robin of spring is ocassional observer
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 10:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Do Southerners see the first robin of Fall? Or the last one of Spring?

Yes, to both. But they dwell longer in the Spring.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/11/2007 11:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Robins live year-round around here. Most are too FAT to fly south.

So we'll never know when the Egyptians finally join the civilized world?

Of COURSE we will - they'll join the "civilized world" the day they renounce Islam, not a second sooner. Same for the rest of the Middle East.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/11/2007 16:01 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Bangladeshis enjoy pause in 'battle of the begums'
Emergency rule by a military-backed interim government remains popular in Bangladesh which is in no hurry to return to the destructive “battle of the begums” between the leaders of its two main parties.

Worn down by 16 years of confrontational politics under the leadership of Khaleda Zia’s Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) and Sheikh Hasina Wajed’s Awami League, ordinary people say they are happy to give the temporary government time to clean up politics before new polls. The two women - the word ‘begum’ is an honorific title - have each held the premiership and are each related to assassinated former leaders of the country. They are also said to hate each other. The impoverished nation’s highly polarised politics is said to reflect this, with each side boycotting parliament and resorting to violent street protests as a negotiating tactic while in opposition.

The addition of widespread corruption among the political elite has brought many to believe that they are better off without their politicians - at least temporarily. “Everything is in order now and the present situation is good,” said bank clerk Abu Naser, 45, explaining that corruption had eroded the basic rule of law at every level in the country making life intolerable for the common person.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Begums Begin the Beguine
Posted by: abu Slappy || 03/11/2007 3:48 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Australian Authorities tight-lipped on on Garuda Air black box recordings
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) is remaining tight-lipped about the information recovered from the flight data recorder (FDR) of the the Garuda Airlines plane that crashed in Yogyakarta on Wednesday. Investigators say that information has been forwarded to Indonesian authorities for analysis and release.

The ATSB has been working to decode both black boxes from the plane, since they arrived in Canberra on Friday, but could not retrieve data from the second box, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR).

Bureau executive director Kym Bills says he can not comment on what was found on the recorder. He says that is up to the Indonesians to disclose. "It's more of a matter of checking it against the physical evidence and the other evidence that they've gathered on the accident site and in relation to the whole investigation," Mr Bills said. "But they really need to be confident with the data, we've done the work, it's now over to them."

Mr Bills says the cockpit's voice recorder will be sent to the United States for further analysis. "The box was actually damaged less than the flight data recorder so, we thought initially if we were going to have problems, it was more likely to be with the FDR, but we were able to do a number of things there including replace burned connectors and so forth and get some good data," he said. "But for whatever reason, the CVR - despite being damaged - has not been able to yield data to us."
Posted by: Jailing Thrish7400 || 03/11/2007 05:46 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Hillary: I'm the JFK of 2008
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 14:21 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I agree, Hillary - you definitely ARE the "John F$$$$$$ Kerry of the 2008 election, and deserve the same fate. Happy hard landings, frogface.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/11/2007 16:14 Comments || Top||

#2  The path we have chosen for the present is full of hazards, as all paths are; but it is one of the most consistent with our character and our courage as a nation and our commitments around the world. The cost of freedom is always high — but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and this is the path of surrender or submission. Our goal is not victory of might but the vindication of right — not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom, here in this hemisphere and, we hope, around the world. God willing, that goal will be achieved.

Can't imagine Hillary saying that and meaning it.
Posted by: DMFD || 03/11/2007 16:20 Comments || Top||

#3  I doubt that the Real JFK wouldn't let this maroon caddy for him....
Posted by: OyVey1 || 03/11/2007 16:49 Comments || Top||

#4  I won't mention the grassy knoll .... I won't mention...
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/11/2007 19:10 Comments || Top||

#5  perhaps she's referring to the girlfriends he had in office?
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 19:18 Comments || Top||

#6  I, for one, would like to see Theodore Roosevelt of 2008.
Posted by: gromgoru || 03/11/2007 19:40 Comments || Top||

#7  She knows she can't do it on her own merits..might as well steal from another...
Posted by: crazyhorse || 03/11/2007 20:28 Comments || Top||

#8  She waited until Lloyd Bentsen died until making that statement.
Posted by: Jackal || 03/11/2007 20:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Hillary: I'm the JFK JERK of 2008

OK, fixed it.
Posted by: gorb || 03/11/2007 20:36 Comments || Top||

#10  I think of her as the Teddy Kennedy of 2008.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 03/11/2007 20:48 Comments || Top||

#11  Perhaps she's been reading John Birmingham's time-travel trilogy, a favorite of the Puppy Blender's.

(Those books are set on an aircraft carrier named after the most steadfast wartime President of the US after her assassination, the USS Hillary Clinton.)
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 03/11/2007 20:53 Comments || Top||

#12  John Birmingham's trilogy is very enjoyable and contains some elements of self-parody.
Posted by: DMFD || 03/11/2007 23:09 Comments || Top||


Longtime FOB To Produce CBS News. Used To Protect Bill At ABC, CNN, and MSNBC.
The AP reported Wednesday night that CBS News will announce Thursday that Rick Kaplan, a former Executive Producer of ABC's World News Tonight and Nightline who later ran both CNN and MSNBC, will become the Executive Producer of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric.

Kaplan has had a long record of friendly relations with former President Bill Clinton, advising Clinton on how to respond to the Gennifer Flowers scandal in 1992 and blocking anti-Clinton stories from appearing on Nightline. Kaplan has also been hostile to conservatives and once even declared that disgraced CBS anchor Dan Rather's "legacy" was "the gold standard journalists today have struggled to live up to..."

...My headings over excerpts, see below, from a 1998 Vanity Fair magazine profile of Kaplan: "Clinton Cries on Kaplan's Shoulder/Kaplan Hired Hillary," "Helped Clinton Play Media to Overcome Flowers," "Donaldson Says Kaplan's Pro-Clinton Bias Showed" and "Kaplan Called Hillary the Night Foster Died..."

Posted by: Anonymoose || 03/11/2007 14:08 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  apparently Her Perkiness wasn't invited or involved in this decision, indicating that all is not well, and her power is draining away with the viewers
Posted by: Frank G || 03/11/2007 14:41 Comments || Top||

#2  The patented Acme Surprise Meter is in order, methinks...
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 03/11/2007 15:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Tonight on CBS News - "Did Barack Obama Molest Small Baby Mammals?". Plus "The TRUTH About John Edwards". Also, an exclusive interview with Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: DMFD || 03/11/2007 16:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Only until July 2008, DMFD. Then, no matter who the nominee is, there is nothing even remotely negative about him.
Posted by: Jackal || 03/11/2007 20:33 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Baglihar – threat to Pakistan
By MIAN AZIZ-UL-HAQ QURESHI

It is quite astonishing that the Government of Pakistan is pluming itself on the verdict of the World Bank arbitrator on Baglihar Dam. This dam when constructed will play havoc with the economic and political stability and the ideological frontiers of Pakistan. Apart from huge water losses, it will also spell disaster for our defence. As it is, the construction of the dam violated the Indus Water Treaty and was downright illegal but our referring the water to a toothless international agency for arbitration was a grossly unwise step. India has once again hoodwinked the world and managed to get an illegal act – in fact, an international crime – ratified by the bank. Rejoicing over the verdict is both rash and simply dangerous. Our naïve response unfortunately implies that we are oblivious of the dangers that the dam poses and also of its consequence for the future.

We should have figured out the true intentions of Bharat and acted accordingly. Because of our remissness Bharat, in sheer violation of the IWT, has already constructed sixteen big and small dams on the Chenab. Its excuse: people of the area are in acute need of electricity. When we challenged the legality of the project, Bharat grew more defiant and began surreptitiously to build dams, which hindered the run of the river.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: John Frum || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nothing shows how alien Muslims are better than when they try to talk to us in our own terms.
Posted by: gromgoru || 03/11/2007 1:16 Comments || Top||

#2  The ironic thing is that the Indian Prime Minister Nehru agreed to an unequal division of the river waters, giving Pakistan a larger share, in order to "foster friendship".

Jimmy Carter so loved the Indus water Treaty that he attempted to negotiate another one just like it between Indian and Bangladesh.

In payback to Nehru's largesse, Pakistan has legally hindered all Indian hydroelectric power generation on the rivers, alleging IWT treaty violations.

India's portion of Jammu and Kashmir state has the headwaters of all these rivers. If it abrogated the treaty and built large storage dams, Pakistan would be a desert. However not even during times of war has India done anything with the water.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/11/2007 8:22 Comments || Top||

#3 

Amazon Link
Divide Pakistan: To Eliminate Terrorism (Paperback)
by Syed Jamaluddin (Author)

DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM is Syed Jamaluddin's vision to address issues related to combatting terrorism emanating from Pakistan which have dramatically transformed the entire region into a systematically controlled network having vicious effects to the global peace.

This book gives an indepth analysis about the role of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Tablighi Jamat which are involved in producing future terrorists. The book provides specific information about the actual tactics of ISI and Tablighi Jamat and their strategy to disrupt the international peace in the name of Islamization of the world through holy war and martyrdom.

The book is an effort to provide an inside story of Pakistan and stories of its military dictators and religious cults who are busy day and night to commit corruption in the name of war-on-terror. The writer declares General Musharraf as a Terrorist-in-Uniform.

Syed Jamaluddin is an active writer on issues concerning Pakistan’s involvement in various terrorist activities in the South Asian region. He was forced to leave Pakistan after the military coup of General Musharraf in 1999. He liaised with political and religious parties of Pakistan as well as Government Agencies.
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Posted by: John Frum || 03/11/2007 13:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Baglihar Project


Salal Dam on the Chenab

Hydroelectric Power Plants in India

Baglihar Hydroelectric Project on the Chenab

Do a little hunting in Jammu and Kashmir area and you'll find the three rivers Chenab, Jhelum and Indus.
Posted by: RD || 03/11/2007 23:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Interesting comments on the "Baglihar Hydroelectric Project on the Chenab" Linky.
Posted by: RD || 03/11/2007 23:07 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
UN urges ban on genital mutilation, forced marriages
"Cheezit! It's da UN!"
"Drop the labia and step away witcher hands up!"
Posted by: Fred || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's unislamic. Ask the radicals.
Posted by: gorb || 03/11/2007 3:06 Comments || Top||

#2  How dare the UN impose Western "values" on traditional Orcish folkways! I blame the Jews Zionists!

/academic feminists
Posted by: Excalibur || 03/11/2007 8:48 Comments || Top||

#3  wonder why they didn't mention honor killings and wife beating
Posted by: mhw || 03/11/2007 9:59 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
FBI hunts last of the lynchers
In an effort to close a chapter in America's history of race hate, Washington is bringing elderly Klansmen to justice for killings carried out up to 60 years ago.
Long Guardian piece on hunting down the dogs of the KKK who lynched and murdered civil rights workers. Never forgive, never forget.
Never "understand".
Posted by: Steve White || 03/11/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "In an effort to close a chapter in America's history of race hate"

What - did Kleagle Senator "Sheets" Byrd rat out his old KKK buddies?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/11/2007 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  The brutality of the crimes is shocking. Men, women and children were murdered in cold blood and broad daylight. They were shot, stabbed, bombed or beaten to death. Bodies were mutilated and hidden.

We can certainly be thankful this type of thing no longer happens in D.C., Oakland, Atlanta, Detroit, Los Angeles. Nope, it's all over, no longer happens, all fixed.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/11/2007 0:23 Comments || Top||

#3  FBI hunts last of the lynchers

exhibit #1: more evidence of the vestigial white mans burden syndrome thingy voodoo. Waste of money after 60 fricken years.

What Besoeker said, there are huge numbers of hate-crimes committed everyday [2007] that are never prosecuted as crimes let alone hate-crimes.

You see it's OK to mug, stab, rob, burn or intimidate white kids in every big city across America especially if the perp is black or Hispanic.

How many hate crimes against whites are prosecuted as opposed to the other way around?

How many hate crimes from 60 years ago against whites are given the resources that these crimes have been given?

In the main why are the hate crime laws only enforced in one direction?

Why are big city DAs loathe to recognize that prejudice and hate resides in the hearts of minorities as well as whites, and why do the DAs fail to recognize that minorities act out that hate with violence against whites?

Political Correctness perhaps?
Posted by: RD || 03/11/2007 4:24 Comments || Top||

#4  BINGO! RD nails it in one. If you're white you're automatically guilty of racism and sexism so whatever the poor victims of caucasian oppression feel inspired to mete out is not only legitimate but strongly deserved.

Don't believe me? Ask why the case of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom disappeared without a trace while we're still hearing about James Byrd and Emmett Till.

CWII, coming soon to a location near you.
Posted by: Elminenter Thetch7845 || 03/11/2007 6:38 Comments || Top||

#5  I have no problem with them continuing this hunt; there's no statute of limitations on murder, and there shouldn't be.

But I do share the frustration over the blindness towards minority racism. The last LA riot and the last Cincinnati riot were race riots; the rioters targeted people based on race, and were motivated by racial hatred. But it gets spun as anger over "police brutality" -- ignoring, and even suppressing the facts about the supposed brutality. For example, CNN joined a press conference given by the head of the Cincinnati FOP -- once he started to give the facts behind the "young men gunned down by police", they developed "satellite problems" and broke away from the press conference.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 03/11/2007 9:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Calling there murders "lynchings" does not do justice to either. Murder is murder and should be treated as such. Lynchings were often as not "democratic executions" of individuals arrested for heinous crimes. That is, those persons lynched often deserved it.

But there is yet another ingredient: boredom.

Few people understand today how crushingly boring large parts of the old South could be. Literally, the only entertainment was limited to tent revivals and lynchings.

If some especially transient murderer was being held in a small town, they would be *the* topic of conversation for weeks. Mobs could be planned days in advance, and were probably common, of all things, on Wednesday nights.

Why? Because Wednesday nights were and still are popular times for people to assemble for "bible readings". But any opportunity for a crowd to form could have the same result.

The last element was an odd one: Pellagra.

People whose diet consists mostly of corn often suffer from niacin deficiency. This was endemic to the US South until the 1950s, when it was learned it could be treated with brewer's yeast.

One of the primary symptoms of pellagra is "aggression", and the "mean southerner" was an old stereotype of a southern man who would become "blind with rage" at the drop of a hat.

The symptoms usually appear during spring, and increase in the summer due to greater sun exposure, which, not coincidentally, was when most lynchings occurred.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 03/11/2007 13:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Anonymoose, have you ever lived in the South? I doubt that boredom had anything at all to do with lynchings. I knew a couple of guys in high school whose fathers were members of the KKK. They never lynched anybody, but they did get together and whine and moan about "uppity n$$$$$s". The KKK was never much of a threat in my neighborhood.

My dad told me about a lynching once. Apparently his dad and a few dozen other farmers got together and lynched another farmer because he was a thief. He was also the brother of the Parish sheriff. When the sheriff started making threats against men in the local community, they hanged a noose on his doorknob. Dad never said what happened after that.

Anyone who WAS involved in a race-related lynching, from the guy who slipped the rope around the neck of a human being to the witnesses and hangers-on, need to receive their just punishment, regardless of when or where the incident occurred.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/11/2007 16:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I agree with OP. I grew up in central Alabama during the 50's and 60's. I know of 4 murders (lyinchings) that had nothing to do with anyone who was lynched breaking the law and everything to racial hatred. The people who did these deeds were either never prosecuted or were aquitted. Even after eye-witness testimony. People were very afraid of the Klan. I don't care if it takes a hundred years these people need to brought to justice.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/11/2007 16:31 Comments || Top||

#9  I quite agree that by the '50's and '60's, lynching was far more racial in character, which doesn't say that there wasn't a lot of racial lynchings before then, or that race was always a factor.

It should also be remembered that lynchings had been seen as a national, or even international, embarrassment for a long time (ex: the Scottsboro boys trial, which needed the calling out of the National Guard to prevent a lynching, in the 1930s.) What precipitated a lynch mob in that case was not the racial fight on the train, but the accusation of gang rape.

The largest known incident of lynching in the US was 11 Italian-Americans in New Orleans in 1892.

All told, perhaps 75% of known lynchings were racial in character. But many more were never recorded.

I still think that they are unusual enough so that they should be distinguished from outright murder, armed fights, though it is a good question if they should be associated with homicidal vigilantism.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 03/11/2007 17:57 Comments || Top||



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