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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Plimpton offered role of a Lifetime?
A British theatre group is to hold an unprecedented casting call for its next production. The experimental company requires a dead body to take a leading role in its latest show. The consent of the donor of the body is being sought beforehand and the production team aim to treat the subject of death with absolute seriousness, challenging modern taboos about a condition that comes to everybody at some point. Called Dead: You Will Be, the play requires a dead body to ’lie in state’ throughout the proceedings. ’The body will not necessarily be touched by the actors at all,’ said Jo Dagless, one of the company’s artistic directors. ’But all those details would be worked out in advance with the donor and with their family.’
Unfortunately Yassin is probably interested.
The production, which is being put together by 1157performancegroup, will run for 24 nights in mid-May and will be staged inside a warehouse studio in Hackney, east London. Tickets will be available to the public and the directors are not anticipating legal problems since, they say, the law only prevents dead bodies from being dissected in public and they plan simply to put the cadaver on display. ’It is an element of the show that we think is important to help us to dispel some of the mystery that surrounds death,’ said Dagless.Dagless and her fellow artistic director Matthew Scott expect the respondent to their appeal to be a terminally ill hospice resident who has had a strong interest in confronting popular prejudices. They are writing to hospices and charities appealing for someone to come forward.
I thought the show was about a corpse not performance art.
’It is about a kind of contact with death that is more than just a philosophical experience. Perhaps we do all have to deny death in order to go on. That is something we will be exploring. We don’t have any answers,’ said Dagless. Dagless and Scott insist they will explore the issues of death and dying in a respectful manner. The company has consulted an embalmer to find out how to treat the corpse so that it could take part in the full run of the show.
They may need a understudy if the weather is hot and humid.
The appeal comes on the heels of other plans to bring dead bodies into the public arena. The Science Museum is planning to display a decomposing body in its adults-only wing.
Does anyone else find it bizarre that a museum of science would have an adult’s only wing and be willing to display decomposition?
Dagless explained this increased interest as a reaction to the fact that Western cultures have ’grown unaccustomed to death in the flesh. We have become de-sensitised to images of death and dying in the media,’ she added. ’The use of a body in this piece is integral to the direct confrontation of the issues that 1157 want to encourage in the audience and the company and will, we hope, reawaken a collective response to our inevitable fates.’
A French version could be titiled, Return from Vacation.
· Dead: You Will Be runs from May 11 at Space 44 in Hackney, east London. The 1157performancegroup can be contacted at Norden Farm Centre for the Arts, Altwood Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire SL6 4PF -
See it early, see it often and front row seats are not recommended. At this point it doesn’t sound like a musical.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:10:43 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Anyone else remember the Monty Python sketch about the director that cast Marilyn Monroe in his movie?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:13 Comments || Top||

#2  for 24 nights in mid-May and will be staged inside a warehouse studio

"its a shame that he won't keep, but Summer's comin on and we're runnin out of ice."
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3  yawn. The "art" community is running out of ways to shock people. When the shock value comes out of this, what next? Volunteers to perform suicide, rapes, murders?

Here's an idea, why don't they perform ART - oh wait, that's right, you need talent for that.



Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Or maybe they can flash a brest when their audience isn't expecting it. Oh better yet a fag could jack off while the chorus chants, "I'ts your birthday".

I'm thinking of doing a painting of a really scary clown.
Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||


Dane-geld
Tip o' the hat to Brian Tiemann.

Dane-geld
(A.D. 980-1016)
Rudyard Kipling

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to says:—

“We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 12:43:27 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lol! Nice one, Dr Steve...
Geez, I wonder if it'll have the same spunk and impact when translated into Spanish. Whaddya think?
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 5:06 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't think so. After all RK was an appologist bootlicking lackey of the Britsh Imperialists. Just ask any card carrying Lefty.
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 03/22/2004 6:28 Comments || Top||

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 8:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Sorry if I am behind on this, but has anyone complained to this dipshit, gentile warrior's ISP? I'm betting that his anti-semitic hate site probably violates the usage agreement. Pertinent information on this creep:
Registrant:
Boris Pribich
P.O. Box 1154
Simi Valley, California 93062
United States
pribich@gte.net
pribich@gte.net
Domain servers in listed order: NS103.EHOSTPROS.COM NS104.EHOSTPROS.COM
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 03/22/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#5  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey, coward, when you post on someone else's machine, they can do as they please. It's their property, not yours. Also, how can deleting someone's crap be a copyright violation?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||

#8  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||

#9  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 9:42 Comments || Top||

#10  Hey, asshat, Kipling wrote it as "Dane-geld". Maybe if you got out of your parents' basement once in a while, you'd know these things.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 9:42 Comments || Top||

#11  Well, Boris...

If it'll make you happy.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#12  No one's liable for anything, coward.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#13  He's so thin-skinned!
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#14  As best as I can tell, Boris the coward is under the belief that editing his spew represents a "moral rights" violation of his copyright. However, that type of violation is really only a violation if it is shown that doing so harms the author's reputation, and really amounts to a defamation case. How someone who posts anti-semitic screends could claim that having those screeds replaced with toilet humor would harm their reputation is a mystery to me...

Moral Rights Basics

The right of integrity bars intentional distortion, mutilation, or other modification of a work if that distortion is likely to harm the author's reputation, and prevents the destruction of any work of recognized stature.

Removing antisemitic crap and replacing it with potty humor is more likely to HELP the reputation of the author, not harm it, and it's hard to believe that blog comments in any way constitute "work of recognized stature".
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 9:57 Comments || Top||

#15  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 10:04 Comments || Top||

#16  Ummm... No, Boris. I had a "public" (unmoderated) board until you came along. Now I have a moderated board that'll stay that way. Rantburg's my property. I wrote the software, bought the server, pay for the hosting. I have no obligation to let anyone post here but me. Obviously you have a problem with the concept of private property and you find it more enjoyable to post here than on your own ugly-ass websites. That doesn't mean you're allowed to do that. Your rights stop where mine begin.

And pretending not to be Boris is silly. "Boris? Who's Boris!" Piss off.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#17  Well said Fred!
Posted by: phil_b || 03/22/2004 10:19 Comments || Top||

#18  Anyone else see the humor in a barely-literate piece of cowardly shit like Boris saying Kipling was illiterate?

And remember, Boris, editing your spew to remove the judenhass is perfectly legal, because it makes you look better than you really are.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#19  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 10:29 Comments || Top||

#20  Today I took a really big poop. I thought I was turning inside out!

Dang it! It's Bob Graham isn't it? I knew it. Just trying to stir up interest in his VP bid, typical.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:30 Comments || Top||

#21  And so Boris highlights a difference between itself and myself: I'm not afraid to state who I am. Boris remains a coward, afraid of the shadows.

Are you trying to intimidate me, Boris? How? By posting information that's publicly available? Gosh, that's scary! Next thing you know, he'll claim I'm a Kurd!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#22  Bob! You fool everybody who's anybody knows RC is really Bedwettian, you are so behind the curve you're going to get an earache.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:33 Comments || Top||

#23  BTW, Boris, I've never posted a single comment on any of your sites; I've never even looked at them.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#24  everytime i sit on the can i make a little boris.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/22/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#25  For once, Mucky posted something I agree with.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#26  Can't Boris's posts and comments simply be deleted as soon they're noticed, Fred? They're getting a little tiresome...
Posted by: Bulldog || 03/22/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#27  Ooops, ignore the website link.
Posted by: Bulldog || 03/22/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#28  As someone with a manic-depressive in my family, I can safely say this Boris guy is off his meds.

Ignore him totally, rather than letting yourself get sucked into his private hell.
Posted by: growler || 03/22/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#29  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#30  Boris, if you repost our comments, you WILL be violating copyrights. Not a threat, just a statement.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#31  RC, he is free to use my comparison of him to a dumpster diving beggar from the other day.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 11:22 Comments || Top||

#32  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#33  Don't bother replying to Boris anymore. All lhis comments are going bye-bye.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 11:35 Comments || Top||

#34  Howzat work, Bulldog?
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 11:36 Comments || Top||

#35  I've got to get some Kipling, check the spelling and all.

Here's some off topic. Did anybody see the Cadilac CTS-V blow doors off everbody at Sebring yesterday. Thats a mean ride.

Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#36  Missed it Lucky... My TiVo has died and I was forced to get up at 2:00 a.m. eastern to watch F1 in Malaysia.... the rest of the family made sure I wasn't going to be able to watch both Sebring (I hear roumor this is the very, very, very, very last one) and F1 in the morn.

I was a mere child at Sebring when the pretty white flipper car showed up.

And if you think Jim Hall built this car in Texas... I have riverfront property for you.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#37  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#38  Caddies finished one and two. What was really cool was that the second place car stalled at the start (Jews?) and had to chase down the field. Strange seeing Cadilacs with Corvette motors just blowing Corvettes away.

Riverfront property eh? Will you take a bridge as a swap?
Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 14:21 Comments || Top||

#39  Bridges as a swap? Of course! I am a reasonable man.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#40  Bridges as a swap? Of course! I am a reasonable man.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 14:26 Comments || Top||

#41  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 14:40 Comments || Top||

#42  #33 Don't bother replying to Boris anymore. All lhis comments are going bye-bye.
Yeah! Thank you, thank you! I hope it’s automated, though (thank God for programming). Especially if it is not, AGAIN, THANKS FOR FLUSHING THE SCUM . . . The slimy inanity was getting really tiring -- and he never would respond to serious questions -- like why would a Serb support the mindset and philosophy of Ante Pavelic and the Ustase. I BET REAL SERBS HATE GUYS LIKE THAT.
Posted by: cingold || 03/22/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#43  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#44  Did anyone hear something? It must have been the wind.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#45  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#46  Anonymous
That's embarrassing! No one was supposed to notice . . .
Posted by: cingold || 03/22/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#47  Ah,stupid if you have not filed for a copy write you have know copy write.
Posted by: Raptor || 03/22/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#48  Thanks, Fred.
Posted by: growler || 03/22/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#49  Thanks, Fred.

Works for me! Boris has given trolls a bad name.
Posted by: Bulldog || 03/22/2004 18:00 Comments || Top||

#50  Excellent poem. Most aproppriate!

Fred said, "Don't bother replying to Boris anymore. All lhis comments are going bye-bye."

GOOD! Please ban Boris, too!
Posted by: Korora || 03/22/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Still not clear on the concept.... #376
From MEMRI:

THE HEAD OF THE SAUDI TOURISM COMMISSION DISMISSED THE U.S. MEDIA CRITICISM REGARDING A NOTICE ON THE COMMISSION’S WEBSITE SAYING JEWS ARE BANNED FROM SAUDI ARABIA. PRINCE SULTAN IBN SALMAN SAID THE ISSUE HAS BEEN ’BLOWN OUT OF ALL PROPORTIONS
 IT IS ALL PART OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN MEANT TO TARNISH SAUDI ARABIA’S IMAGE.’ (ARAB NEWS, SAUDI ARABIA, 3/21/04)
Posted by: Mercutio || 03/22/2004 2:03:42 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Blown out of all proportions?

Okay then, let's just come out and ask: Are Jews specifically banned from entering Saudi Arabia, and if so, why?

Their "answer" should prove entertaining.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#2  "HEAD OF THE SAUDI TOURISM COMMISSION "

LOL!
"Oh well, we're not welcome there, i guess we'll just have to go to the Bahamas again this year, one more year we dont get to Riyadh in the Springtime, Oy Im disappointed"
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 03/22/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Banned is an ugly word. They're not banned, they just won't be allowed in. See? It's simple.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#4  such a shame - the Empty Quarter is beautiful in the noontime sun
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#5 
IT IS ALL PART OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN MEANT TO TARNISH SAUDI ARABIA’S IMAGE.
Bullshit (or, in this case, camel shit). It's not possible to tarnish the Saudis' image; it's black as night already.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 17:39 Comments || Top||


Caribbean-Latin America
Saca Declares Victory in El Salvador Vote
The pro-U.S. candidate in El Salvador's presidential election Sunday easily defeated a former Communist Party guerrilla leader, based on partial official returns. With about 48 percent of ballots counted, Tony Saca of the Nationalist Republican Alliance, or ARENA, had 59.8 percent of the vote, easily enough to avoid a May 2 runoff. His challenger, Schafik Handal of the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front, or FMLN, had 33.1 percent of the votes. Two other small parties took the rest. "On this day, Salvadorans have decided to make me their president, in the first round," Saca told a news conference. Saca took calls of congratulations on his cell phone from Guatemalan President Oscar Berger and Nicaraguan President Enrique Bolanos while making the announcement at a news conference before any national vote returns were announced. Exit polls and quick counts by the independent Central American University also showed Saca well ahead. The 39-year-old Saca, a conservative broadcast media businessman, was the clear favorite of President Bush's administration, whose officials suggested an opposition victory could affect El Salvador's remarkably warm relations with the United States. The Central American nation has contributed troops to the coalition effort in Iraq.

Saca's opponent, Handal, said he would he would bring Salvadoran troops back from Iraq and seek to restore relations with Cuba. Handal, 73, led the Communist faction in the five-party rebel coalition that fought military and military-influenced governments for 12 years before signing a 1992 peace treaty. Despite their differences, the candidates were born within two blocks of one another, both to Palestinian immigrant families from Bethlehem.
Hope for the Paleos! Just get them the hell out of the Middle East.
Saca's party has won three straight elections since 1999. The Front has lost two since first participating in 1994, though it runs the biggest city governments and has the largest share of legislative seats. Saca has embraced the free-market, pro-American policies of outgoing President Francisco Flores, who adopted the dollar as official currency, negotiated a free-trade deal and sent troops to help in Iraq.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 12:01:06 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Must have been part of the ongoing Christian dispora from Arafatland.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 8:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Despite their differences, the candidates were born within two blocks of one another, both to Palestinian immigrant families from Bethlehem

Hey! A balestinian led state!
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:40 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Taiwan Opposition Still Protesting Vote
Opposition supporters refused to disband protests near the president's office Monday until authorities agree to re-count Taiwan's weekend presidential election, won by the incumbent but bitterly disputed by his challenger. President Chen Shui-bian won with just 50.1 percent of the vote, compared to 49.9 percent for opposition candidate Lien Chan - a margin of just 30,000 votes - one day after a mysterious shooting that lightly wounded the incumbent. The opposition said Saturday's election was marred both by the shooting and by voting irregularities. They say the attack unfairly earned Chen sympathy votes, and Lien raised questions about more than 330,000 ballots that allegedly were spoiled. His supporters scuffled with police in central and southern Taiwan after the election results were announced late Saturday, and an estimated 10,000 convened Sunday in front of the Presidential Office to call for an immediate re-count. The High Court ordered all ballot boxes sealed to preserve evidence, but did not order a recount.

The protest in Taipei was peaceful, unlike demonstrations in the capital after the 2000 presidential election. Lien's running-mate, James Soong, on Monday paid the crowd an early morning visit and described the election as unfair, while the audience interrupted him with shouts of "Down with Ah-Bian," using Chen's nickname. "The whole world is concerned over whether Taiwan has had a fair election," Soong said. Taiwan High Court chief Chang Chin-hsiung said a ruling on Lien's request to nullify the election results would come within six months at the latest. A panel of three judges would consider the case. The election dispute cast a cloud over Taiwan's stock market, which had already stopped trading for the day on Friday when Chen was shot. Shares opened by plunging more than 6.5 percent Monday, close to their daily limit of 7 percent. The New Taiwan dollar lost 0.3 percent against the dollar, and the central bank began intervening to stop its slide.

To head off speculation that Chen staged the shooting, his office released photographs of his wounds, and prosecutors said tests had shown that two bullets found at the scene had been fired from a gun and were the ones that injured Chen and Lu. Lien has demanded that the government form a task force with medical and criminal experts to investigate the attack on Chen and its influence on the election. Tainan chief prosecutor Wang Sen-jung said police haven't found any leads after interviewing shopkeepers along the president's route and checking security tapes. Officials in Tainan said they would honor Lien's request to preserve potential evidence. Lee Wen-hsien, head of Tainan's administrative court, said that included the president's medical records, X-rays and eight hours of videotape from the emergency room.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 11:55:21 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Protesting now will never get them into the Guiness book - Al Franken and Michael Moore already have 3.5 years on them with no signs of slowing down.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||


Europe
Minarets Double in Germany
EFL - The original title was rather unfortunately titled, In Germany, Mosque-Building Boom Regarded With Fear. It kind of gave me the wrong idea.
-snip- literary lead-in deemded non-essential by this math major.
Gulcek’s mosque reflects the surge in Islamic construction sweeping Germany. The number of traditional mosques with their distinctive minarets nearly doubled in Germany from 77 in 2002 to 141 in 2003, according to Islam Archive, a Muslim research group in the city of Soest. An additional 154 mosques and cultural centers are planned, many of them in the countryside where vistas are dotted with symbols of crescent moons and crosses... For many Europeans since Sept. 11, mosques are perceived - unlike churches or synagogues - as caldrons of radicalism instead of places of worship. That sentiment is likely to endure if Islamic militants were involved in the train bombings in Madrid that killed more than 200 people and wounded 1,400 others.
Guess it's gonna endure, then...
``Building a mosque won’t create integration,’’ said Werner Mueller, a pharmacist in a Berlin neighborhood where proposals for two mosques are encountering opposition from government agencies. ``These new mosques will make Islam more visible, and jobless and angry Muslim men will go to them. They can become places infiltrated by political Islam.’’
"I say Holmes, that's brilliant, brilliant!"
Such sensitivity is rooted in Al Quds mosque in Hamburg - a warren of rooms above a gym with smudged windows where Mohamed Atta and other Sept. 11 hijackers prayed before moving to the United States. Thousands of nondescript mosques, some tucked in alleys, others half-hidden in old factories, are scattered across the continent. There are nearly 2,400 in Germany, according to the Islam Archive.

The Berlin government is seeking more control over blueprints for larger mosques. The city’s planning office wants veto power on all building projects that may impinge upon a borough’s character. The veto proposal is expected to take effect this year and could complicate plans for four mosques in the city boroughs of Kreuzberg and Neukoelln. The government says it is not singling out mosques, but trying to bring uniformity to the skyline. ``Berlin has a large Turkish population,’’ said Petra Reetz, a spokeswoman for the planning office. ``That always has to be a consideration. But we are still a central European town and we’d like to keep the face of a central European town, not a Turkish town.’’ Such sentiments have made Mehmet Bayram a patient architect. The projects he treasures most, including mosques and Islamic cultural centers, are yet to be built, tangled in negotiations with government agencies. Bayram splices architecture, folding Islamic nuances into European designs to make Muslim edifices more palatable to the German eye. What could be considered minarets on the facade of one of his proposed cultural centers, for example, are instead spiraling stairwells.

Gulcek’s mosque is being built south of the city center by the Turkish Islamic Union, one of several Muslim organizations in Germany overseeing construction plans for such projects. At 3 million, Turks are the the nation’s largest minority. Gulcek moved to Berlin with his parents 24 years ago from the Turkish city of Kayseri. ``It’s taken 13 years to build,’’ said Gulcek, a smiling, yet exasperated, diplomat of sorts between cultures. ``The biggest problem was raising money from Berlin Muslims. Then we found out our minarets were too high and we had to raise more money for a $100,000 fine from the borough. Why? It came down to a misunderstanding. We didn’t know about German law, and the borough didn’t tell us.
"Wudn't our fault!"
``It was difficult to explain our idea of the mosque to the Germans. We should have explained it better. If you communicate, there are fewer problems, but there always seems to be a lace curtain between Germans and Muslims. Europeans have a prejudice and a fear of change.’’
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:40:53 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For many Europeans since Sept. 11, mosques are perceived - unlike churches or synagogues - as caldrons of radicalism instead of places of worship.
Not by nearly enough of them though.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/22/2004 11:11 Comments || Top||

#2  It'd probably help if you, y'know, spoke German.

Just a thought.
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#3  FWIW, maybe I've found yet another facet of my own naiveté, but it has finally dawned on me that some cultures just can’t really mix. I had always been, despite some Rantings, a live and let live kind o’ guy. ‘Course, when they come after you …

I think now the Muslim Arab culture and Western cultures aren’t mutually tolerable. Sure, there can be cursory contact for commerce, and perhaps information, but not integration. And you’ll have some examples of individuals getting along with individuals, and that’s cool, but not integrated cultures.
Posted by: Hyper || 03/22/2004 19:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Hyper - like the way that oil and water don't mix except in salad dressing and you have to shake everything up just before pouring. I think I just ruined my own analogy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 20:43 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Protestors trample an elderly lady
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 03/22/2004 12:49 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Prosecute them to the fullest extent possible.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Nice "peace" protest. I love the bit about the peaceniks being "intimidating" -- I thought they were against violence, so why are they threatening it?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 14:24 Comments || Top||


Lileks is too good! Also click picture link inside for more laughs
Freedom. More freedom now than before, and yes it comes with peril; it always does, at first. But freedom is either in retreat, or on the advance. These people marched to protest the premature bestowal of freedom by exterior forces. Better the Iraqi people live under the boot for 20 years, and rise up and get slaughtered and rise up again and slaughter those who killed their kin, then have Bush push the FF button and get it over with now. Better they suffer for the right reasons than live better for the wrong ones.

This has nothing to do with Iraq. This is all about the hard left’s worse nightmare. For years they have insisted that every occupant of the White House is a sawdust puppet whose limbs jerk to the strings of International Finance (cough Jews cough) and this satisfies the faithful; the President doesn’t have to be explicitly evil to be inherently evil. He’s the President. Say no more, nudge nudge. But Bushitler is explicitly evil. He attacked Afghanistan for that oil pipeline deal. He attacked Iraq for no reason whatsoever. It’s almost a godsend; finally, a homicidal maniac president who lives up to his advance. And the beauty of it, really, is that you can pinpoint the date when the mask came off. September 12, 2001. For some reason – Gaia knows what – he just decided to crank up the war machine and start killing brown people. Well, at least it’s all in the open now. Put on the old Crosby Stills and Nash albums. Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. It never changes. Us vs. them. Start printing the fliers. Contact the GLBT office in Kabul for a statement of solidarity with the protestors in Paris and London -

Oh come on, they have to have an office. Okay, go down to the Village, get a quote about how ten thousand people will die in Afghanistan, and how she remembers Kabul as a lovely city with a market where her mother went on weekends to buy flowers, whatever. Look, I don’t know why I have to say this - if Bush is defeated in Afghanistan he will be defeated in America, and that means Jesse Helms will not hold up NEA funding from a theater group because it wants to put on a play that says Reagan was Jesus’ HIV positive lover, HELLO, I mean it's symbolic? Focus on the larger issues, people.
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#1  I saw the picture. I would love to meet that asshat traitor in person.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 13:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Lileks is usually on Hugh hewitt during the first hour on Mondays (6:00 Eastern time, 3:00 Pacific). Here's Hewitt's streaming audio page.
Posted by: Mike || 03/22/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
What's the best wine to serve with a Philly cheesesteak?
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 16:45 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You'll want a red wine, preferably something with some body (to work with & through the grease & cheese). My initial suggestion was going to be Mad Dog; otherwise, I like Yellow Tail's Shiraz and Frontera's Merlot/Cabernet blend -- a large bottle can be had at most Sam's Clubs for $8.
Posted by: snellenr || 03/22/2004 17:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Schmidt's
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/22/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Whatever complements the swiss cheese I have the servants put on it..
BTW, I know the Schmidts from Skull and Bones, Mr Davis. He had a deadly squash backhand...
Posted by: John F ing Kerry || 03/22/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#4  Holy crap. These people are rich!

"Friend of the little guy," my ass.
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/22/2004 17:28 Comments || Top||

#5  What's the best wine to serve with a Philly cheesesteak?

Thunderbird.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 03/22/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Whatever complements the swiss cheese I have the servants put on it..

That's my vote for quote of the day!
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 17:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Lets see - the obvious choice is a haughty French Bourdeaux like Petrus or Le Pin but since this is a guy with a newly found Jewish background (not Irish) then the appropriate quaff would be Mogen David, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 03/22/2004 17:59 Comments || Top||

#8  A nice red "Ripple" would go well, as well as a rare "Sly Fox" circa 1967.
Posted by: Sgt.DT || 03/22/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#9  "the appropriate quaff would be Mogen David"

To a genuine Fluffian like me, the thought of chasing down a cheese steak with that stuff is enough to gag a maggot. Yakkkk!!
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/22/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||


A 2003 Skewering of Richard "Terrorist Tsar" Clarke
Posted by: wuzzalib || 03/22/2004 16:36 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Evidence Puts Kerry At Kansas Parley
From the March 19th edition of New York Sun. Funny it hasn't been more widely reported:
Senator Kerry of Massachusetts yesterday retreated from his earlier steadfast denials that he attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plan to assassinate U.S. Senators was debated. The reversal came as new evidence, including reports from FBI informants, emerged that contradicted Mr. Kerry’s previous statements about the gathering, which was held in Kansas City, Mo. in November 1971. “John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago,” a Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said in a statement e-mailed last night from Idaho, where Mr. Kerry is on vacation.
The "I can't remember" defense.
"You can't prove he was sober!"
Mr. Wade said Mr. Kerry does remember “disagreements with elements of VVAW leadership” that led to his resignation, but the statement did not specify what the disagreements were.
That's unlikely. If the disagreements were resolved, then it's likely he'd forget about them. If they were serious enough to lead to his resignation, he'd remember why. That's just the way minds work.
“If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war,” the statement said.
Translation: "They have hard evidence? Shit!"
It did not address the murder plot, though as recently as Wednesday a top aide to Mr. Kerry said that the Massachusetts senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was “absolutely certain” he was not present when the assassination plan, known as the “Phoenix Project,” was discussed.
"Nope. Nope. Never happened. Wudn't me."
The New York Sun first reported last week that other anti-war activists placed Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting. A total of six people have now said publicly that they remember seeing Mr. Kerry there. Participants say the plot was voted down, and several say they remember Mr. Kerry speaking and voting against it.
You'd think he'd remember something like this.
A historian and expert on activism against the Vietnam War, Gerald Nicosia, provided the Sun yesterday with minutes of the meeting.
You kept minutes of a meeting where you were voting on killing US Senators?
Mr. Nicosia also read quotes from FBI surveillance documents he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act as he was preparing his 2001 book, “Home to War.” “My evidence is incontrovertible. He was there,” Mr. Nicosia said in an interview yesterday. “There’s no way that five or six agents saw his ghost there.” Mr. Nicosia said that the records show Mr. Kerry resigned from the group on the third day of the meeting, following discussion of the assassination plan and an argument between Mr. Kerry and another VVAW national coordinator, Al Hubbard.
"Bumping off senators? This whole exercise is so that I can get to be a senator some day! And then I have to worry about getting waxe? I'm resignin'!"
Reading from an FBI informant report, Mr. Nicosia said, “John Kerry at a national Vietnam Veterans Against the War meeting appeared and announced to those present that he resigned for personal reasons but said he would be able to speak for VVAW” at future events.
Trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Isn't that cute? His first waffle... Well, maybe his 708th...
Another document “describes a conversation actually a confrontation between John Kerry and Hubbard that was taking place on one of the days of that meeting,” Mr. Nicosia added. Mr. Nicosia said it is clear that Mr. Kerry and the others resigned because of the extreme actions the group was considering. “It’s kind of unmistakable to see a pattern. All four of them were out the door, bingo, the morning after” the socalled Phoenix plot was discussed, the author said. Mr. Nicosia generally declined to speculate on why Mr. Kerry had denied being present.
Presumably because he was at a meeting where murder and probably treason were discussed and he didn't even call the cops.
However, the author did observe, “Especially if you’re running for president, you don’t want to be associated with a plot for assassinating people.”
Now there is a understatement.
Mr. Nicosia repeatedly stressed that he was not calling Mr. Kerry a liar and said he has no animus towards the senator. The historian said he sent copies of some of the documents to the Kerry campaign yesterday morning on his own initiative. “I think Senator Kerry better get his story straight on this,”Mr. Nicosia said.
Why start now?
“I’m a Kerry supporter. I honor the guy,” Mr.Nicosia said. He noted that Mr. Kerry threw a book party for “Home at War” at the Hart Senate Office Building. The senator also wrote a positive blurb for the book’s dust jacket. The book does not mention Mr. Kerry’s presence at the Kansas City meeting. Mr. Nicosia said he did not have the FBI files as he was writing the manuscript. Other accounts led him to think that Mr. Kerry had quit the group at a July meeting in St. Louis. Mr. Nicosia also provided the Sun with minutes of the meeting that he obtained from the Wisconsin state archives, which hold most of VVAW’s papers. The minutes, prepared at the group’s national office in New York, recount the actions taken by VVAW’s “emergency steering committee” during the four-day meeting, which ran from November 12 to 15, 1971. The minutes indicate that at the end of the day on Saturday, November 13, discussion turned to “national actions and other things.” The meeting is reported to have adjourned at 10 p.m. and resumed at 11 a.m. Sunday. The document goes on to say that the group passed a motion to hold a “national action
 in 3 to 5 different sites.” The next entry in the minutes is, “John Kerry, Scott Moore, Mike Oliver and Skip Roberts resigned as national coordinators.” A later entry indicates that it was decided that the resignations and the decision on the “national action” should be reflected in all the group’s papers. According to Mr. Nicosia, the FBI documents and other records do not include any direct reference to the assassination plot. However, Mr. Nicosia said some informants who attended the Kansas City meeting warned the FBI of a “drastic move toward more violent actions.”
Was one of them John Kerry? No? Guess he didn't think killing senators was important. Now, he is one.
A VVAW chapter newsletter obtained by the Sun reports that after “much argument” the Kansas City meeting went into closed session “for various opaque reasons of security and expediency in order to discuss the national Christmas action.” The newsletter also notes the resignation of Mr. Kerry and the other three leaders. It cites “personality conflicts and differences in political philosophies” as the main reasons for the resignations. A group of VVAW members seized the Statue of Liberty on behalf of the group on December 27, 1971. It’s unclear whether that action was approved at the Kansas City meeting in November. The three other men who appear to have resigned along with Mr. Kerry did not respond to requests for comment for this story.
No doubt on the advice of their lawyers.
Mr. Moore did not reply to an e-mail and messages left at his home. Mr. Roberts is now the legislative director for the Service Employees International Union, which is supporting Mr. Kerry’s presidential bid.
Tap, tap, nope.
Reached at his union office Wednesday, Mr. Roberts said he would call back but did not. Efforts to locate Mr. Oliver were unsuccessful. Earlier in the week, some aides to Mr. Kerry suggested that because he appeared on a PBS “Firing Line” broadcast with William F. Buckley on November 14, 1971, Mr. Kerry could not have attended the Kansas City gathering. But that contention also disintegrated yesterday on closer examination.
Don't you hate it when the facts get in the way of a alibi?
Tapes of the “Firing Line” television program are housed at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. An archivist there, Carol Leadenham, told the Sun that Mr. Kerry and Mr. Buckley taped a program on November 2, 1971. No air date was noted, but Ms. Leadenham said it is likely that it aired about two weeks later. “That’s about the usual time between the taping and the air date,” she said.
It ain't live, it's Memorex.
This is starting to sound like an episode of Columbo. When Peter Falk shows up, I'm leaving...
Some discrepancies in Mr. Kerry’s earlier statements about VVAW remain unaddressed by the campaign. Last week, Mr. Kerry said he last saw Mr. Hubbard in April 1971, shortly before a National Review article exposed Mr. Hubbard for exaggerating his rank and his service record in Vietnam. However, a New York Times report put Mr. Kerry at a fund-raiser with Mr. Hubbard on Long Island on August 29, 1971. Now, Mr. Nicosia’s documents indicate that Mr. Kerry had a verbal altercation with Mr. Hubbard in November of that year.
John Kerry, this is your life.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 2:36:42 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  hope this one gets out! Could be the end of Kerry if enough fuss is kicked up about this,Should he not be booted from congress for this crime too
Posted by: Shep UK || 03/22/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||

#2  He'd better arrange for "I don't recall" lessons from the Hilldabeast
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#3  The "I can't remember" defense.
Interesting how some folks can't remember a thing about an event or era when put on the spot, but can write and publish a 300 page book covering the same subject.
Posted by: GK || 03/22/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Let me get this right. John F Kerry attended a meeting where the assination of U.S. Senators were discussed and, while he did not support it, did not report it to the authorities and continued to support the group?

And the media is not picking this up? But they go into great detail (over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.. you get the idea) again about Bushs attendence at National Guard in Alabama?

Is there something wrong here? Anyone? Hello?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||

#5  What if John Kerry was one of the informants?

I'm just asking, but it would explain a) why Kerry didn't call the FBI (they were already in), b) why he resigned (cover close to being blown, perhaps) c) why he's waffled and dissembled about this all these years (don't want to be the stoolie).
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#6  So this will be the lead story - above the fold - in the NYT, WaPo, LAT, etc., right? Also CNN and all the networks? They'll rag on it for weeks, right?

No?

Tap-tap. Nope, surprise meter didn't budge.

#5 Steve White: You're cute when you're trying to defend Kerry with your "what-if." Naive, but cute. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 17:35 Comments || Top||

#7  SW is possibly right! another example of being on both sides of every issue!
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 18:54 Comments || Top||

#8  SW - He could have been. But why then is he denying it now - 33-odd years later? You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

And he did continue to support the group and would 'speak for them'....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 19:46 Comments || Top||

#9  You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

But what would it do to his standing with the Democrat base?
Posted by: Pappy || 03/22/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||

#10  But why then is he denying it now - 33-odd years later? You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

It would also be the ultimate waffle. Not even Benedict Arnold backstabbed both sides during the Revolution.
Posted by: Darth VAda || 03/22/2004 23:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Yes you are right - it would be the ultimate waffle wouldn't it? But he did continue to support the group even after he resigned the leadership.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/23/2004 0:00 Comments || Top||


Bin Laden Withdraws Support for Kerry
From Scrappleface:
(2004-03-21) -- Religious philosopher Usama bin Laden today announced that although he had been among the unnamed foreign leaders who support John Forbes Kerry’s election as U.S. president, he has withdrawn his support.

"At first, I was an anyone-but-Bush man," said Mr. bin Laden on an audiotape aired by al Jazeera TV. "But the more I hear about Kerry’s strategy of nuanced engagement, the more I like Bush. At least I know where I stand with the Great Satan from Texas."

Mr. bin Laden said he was concerned that his emissaries would be "tied up for years in fruitless talks with the Kerry administration."

"Next thing you know, al Qaeda will be chairing the U.N. Human Rights Commission," he said. "We don’t have time for that kind of nonsense."

The Kerry campaign released the following brief statement: "There are no longer any foreign leaders who support Senator Kerry’s candidacy."
Posted by: Mercutio || 03/22/2004 2:15:02 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
F-15 Gives Up Its Crown
Thursday the 19th of February 2004 will mark the day when the undisputed king of air superiority had to surrender its thirty-year crown to a newcomer. It happened over the skies of Windermere, in the scenic English Lake District. Two Eurofighter Typhoon twin-seaters were on the first RAF formation training flight from Warton Aerodrome when they were bounced from the eight o’clock by a couple of F-15s belonging to the USAFE’s 48th TFW, probably the most formidable and experienced combat unit in the European theatre. The Typhoon crew did not seem to be intimidated and with two rapid counters ended up on the F-15 tail, comfortably gunning the trailing one, who was in full afterburner, wings rocking and wondering what had happened.

It is fair to expect that the most surprised by this first encounter result would be the F15 crew, used to dominate the skies since the mid-seventies and with an exchange ratio record of 101 wins to zero losses, and a bunch of die-hard Eurofighter critics without much knowledge of the new fighter air combat capabilities. It is understandable if the RAF rookies would also show their surprise at the outcome, as one does not expect to win an air engagement on the first training sortie with a brand new machine against one of the best combat units in the world, riding what up to now has been the best fighter in history.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 1:43:11 PM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Time to send out the new F22's - we'll see who bounces whom...
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 14:00 Comments || Top||

#2  The F-15's design is over 30 years old, just to be clear on the age difference. I'd like to see a Eurofighter/F-22 matchup.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 14:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Sam -
Normally, I accept with little or no rservation anything from StrategyPage - its founder, Jim Dunnigan, is one of the absolute best at what he does (though damned poitically incorrect, which is why he didn't show up much during OIF), but this says nothing that proves to me that the F-15 has lost its crown.
First of all, the F-15s from the 48th were E-model StrikeEagles, the air-to-ground version of the Eagle. Although the Strike Eagle is just as capable at air-to-air as the standard C and D model Eagles, its pilots are not trained to the same extent in air -to-air - their job is to put weapons on target. A good comparison would be if you had a great deal of experience driving high-performance sports cars on a highway, then you were told that for a couple of years, you'd be driving the NASCAR version in races. You could do it, probably quite easily, but the little things would be different - you'd be practicing and learning things differently every day. All of our pilots right now have slightly rusty skills because we are just now coming out of the 'No-Fly-Zone' mentality. They are not as good as they should be. With that in mind, remember that the Typhoon drivers were probably some of the best pilots the RAF has in service right now. Had they bounced guys from our 33rd FW, or my old friends at the 1st FW at Langley - who live, eat and breathe air-to-air - I think it would have been a different story.
Second, the Eagleis not the 'best' dogfighter in the world and has never claimed to be. It is superbly maneuberable, but its design philosophy (just like that of the F-22) is to use missiles to kill the enemy, and then take on what's left - if necessary - with the gun. I have sat in the God Room at Nellis AFB during Red Flag exercises(think the briefing room in the movie 'Top Gun', only with three huge screens) and watched F-15s getting whacked on a regular basis by F-5s (a fifty year old design), F-16s (a 25 year old design), F-14s ( a 30 year old designs), and F-18s (a 25 year old design) and several others. The best jet powered dogfighter is quite probably the Northrop F-20 TigerShark, armed with AIM-120 AAMRAM missiles...and we didn't build that one. But the primary purpose of the F-15 is to do what Indiana Jones did to the Arab swordsman in 'Raiders of The Lost Ark'...and if we came up against a Typhoon -equipped opponent in real life, that is exactly what we would do.
The article does have one very valid point, but doesn't state it as such: the first contact between an established combat aircraft and a new, state-of-the-art threat usually ends up with the newer system victorious...at first. The USAF has an extremely steep learning curve, and in combat it would,'t take long to figure out how to handle it - and more than likely, we'd just stand off and throw missiles at them.
I intend for NONE of this to take away from the RAF and its skills and abilities. They should rightfully feel a great deal of pride in being able to take on 2 F-15 and win. The Typhoon is and will remain a formidable opponent for many years. But any story like this taken at face value leaves a lot out, and this story leaves out a great deal.

Best regards,
Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/22/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#4  it wasn't as clear cut as the above report makes out though,do some looking into it and you find that the 2 F-15's, both E models incidently, were returning from a bombing range (practice) and were bounced by a couple of Eurofighters from the 7'oclock. Give the Alaskan Based F-15s with thier AESA radars and watch them mince the Euros,still loads of life in her yet.
Posted by: Shep UK || 03/22/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Still, with all the good press, I imagine the French will be able to sell quite a few of them to China.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#6  The French are not part of Eurofighter. They wanted lead, didn't get it, and instead designed Rafale.
Posted by: ed || 03/22/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#7  When the Typhoons actually shoot down a plane, give me a call.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Mike - GREAT post!
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#9  Agreee. Weight and Balance and configuration on the E model is considerably different than the C/D. "Considerably" here means different enough to affect the outcome.

In any case an F16 can turn inside of an F15C/D/E.
Posted by: anymouse || 03/22/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Not quite an Article 15 but a Letter of Reprimand. Extra duty.

BTW, I got one of those Letters. Missed two Comanders Call (in a row!), Ouch, it was my day off, I was sleeping, nobody told me, I worked late the night before. Piss'n and moan'n.
Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#11  this is why I read Rantburg
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 14:54 Comments || Top||

#12  thanks for summing it up way better then i could have mike.I tried :) .You must have been posting earlier when i was so i didn't see your post before mine went up if ya get what i mean.Thanks for a better summing up anyway.
Posted by: Shep UK || 03/22/2004 14:59 Comments || Top||

#13  The French are not part of Eurofighter. They wanted lead, didn't get it, and instead designed Rafale.

I stand corrected.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 15:05 Comments || Top||

#14  Frank, you mean, you think Mike actually knows something about weapons systems? He didn't even include color-coded cutaway diagrams of the two planes with his post.

(Mike, just kidding. Diagrams not necessary. I'm truly impressed.)

You never see this kind of thing on the DU site.

Posted by: Matt || 03/22/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||

#15  MIG-31, anyone? Not to put a fly in the ointment, or the last SU ?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 03/22/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#16  I thought the F-15 lost its title when the Independence Day aliens showed up.

But seriously, great posts, guys. I should get course credit at Rantburg.
Posted by: Scott || 03/22/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#17  Its all part of the deal Bush made with Blair:

1. Release the 5 British bozolamists from Gitmo
2. Take off the steel import duty
3. Get Sarah Ferguson a job with Weight-Watchers
4. Give them light duty in Basra
5. Let the Eurofighter win one
6. Put Gibraltar firmly in the UK camp by having the Spainards elect a real bozoidiot
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 03/22/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#18  Did anyone notice that this was from Strategypage's hot discussion topics section and not actually an article put out by Dunnigan. Any moron could have posted this including someone who is trying to make sure the f-22 is not scrapped. How accurate is this report? I have no idea, but I would like to see something with a bit more authority than this. Take a look at some of the other hot topics. You cannot tell me that "T-95: the end of M1A2 Superiority" and "China: EVIL AMERICANS" were not written by Russian and Chinese trolls respectively just looking to get a good rise out of people.
Posted by: matt || 03/22/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||

#19  An advanced jet fighter with a coward european flying it...is just a plane.

It ain't the size of the dog in the fight,
It's the size of the fight in the dog.
There ain't no fight in a european dog.
Posted by: Texan || 03/22/2004 23:38 Comments || Top||

#20  Kind of tough for the RAF to be 'comfortably gunning the trailing one'when the RAF version has no cannons...

Posted by: CAG Hotshot || 10/17/2004 19:14 Comments || Top||


Drudge: CBS has a financial stake in the Clarke book
CBSNEWS did not inform its viewers last night that its parent company owns and has a direct financial stake in the success of the book by former White House terror staffer turned Bush critic, Dick Clarke, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal. 60 MINUTES aired a double-segment investigative report on the new book "Against All Enemies" -- but did not disclose how CBSNEWS parent VIACOM is publishing the book and will profit from any and all sales! It is not clear who made the final decision at CBSNEWS not to inform the viewer during 60 MINUTES how they were watching a news story about a VIACOM product. 60 MINUTES pro Lesley Stahl is said to have been aware of the conflict before the program aired.
As Mr. Drudge would say, developing . . . .
Posted by: Mike || 03/22/2004 1:40:42 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stahl is a Dem whore - anything for the cause, even if it undermines their journo credibility (or what remains...)
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 13:42 Comments || Top||

#2  CBS has credibility? Who would thunk it?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#3  What liberal media?

Oh, that liberal media...
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 15:29 Comments || Top||


Clarke: Bush’s Saddam obsession delayed Iraq attack
ScrappleFace, natch.
(2004-03-22) -- A new book by Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism coordinator for the Bush administration, charges that the president was so obsessed with Saddam Hussein that he delayed invading Iraq for 19 months after the 9/11 terror attacks "just so he could let his hatred of Saddam simmer in his mind."

Mr. Clarke told CBS reporter Leslie Stahl that, from the beginning, the Bush administration didn’t take the al Qaeda threat seriously and was focused on attacking Iraq.

"The 9/11 attacks by al Qaeda were such an utter surprise to [National Security Advisor] Rice and [Defense Secretary] Rumsfeld, that it took them almost a month to retaliate against the Taliban," said Mr. Clarke. "By contrast, Rumsfeld started planning to hit Saddam from the moment he took office in January 2001. Sure enough, only 26 months after that he unleashed a lightning strike on Iraq. He would have launched the attack sooner if Bush hadn’t been so obsessed with Saddam that he couldn’t see straight."

The former official said even the war against the Taliban was part of the president’s obsession with Saddam Hussein.

"Bush foolishly believed that there was a link between al Qaeda and Iraq," Mr. Clarke said. "So, in order to bring down Saddam Hussein, he first attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan in October 2001, because they harbored al Qaeda. Bush thought that if the Taliban fell, Saddam would soon follow. It’s clear that the Rumsfeld and Rice have thought about nothing but Iraq for more than three years now."
Posted by: Steve from Relto || 03/22/2004 12:56:00 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's sad is this isn't far from how these morons think... would you really be surprised if this was said in his book or in an interview with this asshat? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 13:30 Comments || Top||

#2  As others have pointed out, Clarke argued that the connection between al'Qaeda and Iraq was strong enough to warrant attacking a pharmaceuticals plant in the Sudan.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 13:34 Comments || Top||


Nevada Supremes - can police demand ID?
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:27 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The key to the debate is reasonable suspicion. Anyone falling under this category should be compelled to identify themselves. Otherwise, why have a police force?
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||


White House Rebuts Ex-Bush Adviser Claim
The White House is disputing assertions by President Bush’s former counterterrorism coordinator that the administration failed to recognize the risk of an attack by al-Qaida in the months leading up to Sept. 11, 2001. National security deputies worked diligently between March and September 2001 to develop a strategy to attack the terror network, one that was completed and ready for Bush’s approval a week before the suicide airliner hijackings, the White House said in a statement Sunday.

It said the president told national security adviser Condoleezza Rice early in his administration he was "’tired of swatting flies’ and wanted to go on the offense against al-Qaida, rather than simply waiting to respond." The point-by-point rebuttal confronts claims by Richard A. Clarke in a new book, "Against All Enemies," that is scathingly critical of administration actions.

Clarke wrote that Rice appeared never to have heard of al-Qaida until she was warned early in 2001 about the terrorist organization and that she "looked skeptical" about his warnings. "Her facial expression gave me the impression that she had never heard the term before," Clarke said in the book, going on sale Monday. Clarke said Rice appeared not to recognize post-Cold War security issues and effectively demoted him within the National Security Council staff. He retired last year after 30 years in government.

Rice echoed the administration’s rebuttal in a guest column in Monday’s Washington Post and addressed Clarke’s characterization of her obliquely. "Before Sept. 11, we closely monitored threats to our nation," she wrote. "President Bush revived the practice of meeting with the director of the CIA every day — meetings that I attended. And I personally met with (director) George Tenet regularly and frequently reviewed aspects of the counterterrorism effort."

Clarke, who is expected to testify Tuesday before a federal panel investigating the attacks, recounted his early meeting with Rice as support for his contention the administration failed to recognize the risk of an attack by al-Qaida. He said that within one week of Bush’s inauguration he "urgently" sought a meeting of senior Cabinet leaders to discuss "the imminent al-Qaida threat." Three months later, in April 2001, Clarke met with deputy secretaries. During that meeting, he wrote, the Defense Department’s Paul Wolfowitz told Clarke, "You give bin Laden too much credit," and he said Wolfowitz sought to steer the discussion to Iraq.

A spokesman for Wolfowitz, Charley Cooper, said Monday in a statement that the allegation that Wolfowitz dismissed the threat from al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden is false. "He regarded al-Qaida as a major threat to U.S. security, the more so because of the state support it received from the Taliban and because of its possible links to Iraq, including Iraq’s harboring of one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, Abdul Rahman Yasin, for nearly a decade," Cooper said.

The White House responded that the Bush administration kept Clarke as a holdover from the Clinton era because of its concerns over al-Qaida. "He makes the charge that we were not focused enough on efforts to root out terrorism," Bush communications director Dan Bartlett said Sunday. "That’s just categorically false." Bartlett said Clarke’s memo to Rice in January 2001 discussed recommendations to improve security at U.S. sites overseas, not inside the United States. "Each one of these, while important, wouldn’t have impacted 9/11," he said. Clarke harshly criticizes Bush personally in his book, saying his decision to invade Iraq generated broad anti-American sentiment among Arabs. He recounts that the president asked him directly almost immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks to find whether Iraq was involved in the suicide hijackings. "Nothing America could have done would have provided al-Qaida and its new generation of cloned groups a better recruitment device than our unprovoked invasion of an oil-rich Arab country," Clarke wrote.

He added: "One shudders to think what additional errors (Bush) will make in the next four years to strengthen the al-Qaida follow-ons: attacking Syria or Iran, undermining the Saudi regime without a plan for a successor state?"

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said Sunday he doesn’t believe Clarke’s charge that Bush — who defeated him and former Vice President Al Gore in the 2000 election — was focused more on Iraq than al-Qaida during the days after the terror attacks.
"I see no basis for it," Lieberman said on "Fox News Sunday." "I think we’ve got to be careful to speak facts and not rhetoric." And Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., told ABC’s "This Week" that while he has been critical of Bush policies on Iraq, "I think it’s unfair to blame the president for the spread of terror and the diffuseness of it. Even if he had followed the advice of me and many other people, I still think the same thing would have happened."

Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry said Sunday he asked for copies of Clarke’s book to review. Kerry is vacationing at his Idaho home through Wednesday before returning to the campaign trail. "I would like to read them before I make any comment at all," Kerry told reporters. "I have asked for them."
Kerry’s adviser on national security, Rand Beers, is a close associate of Clarke and held the job as anti-terrorism adviser under Bush during part of 2002. Clarke quotes Beers in the book as asking his advice when Beers considered quitting because "they’re using the war on terror politically." The White House’s Bartlett noted Clarke’s friendship with Beers and the upcoming presidential election. "We believe the timing is questionable," he said. "When (Clarke) left office, he had every opportunity" to make any grievances known.
Posted by: Jarhead & Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:06:42 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "I see no basis for it," Lieberman said on "Fox News Sunday." "I think we’ve got to be careful to speak facts and not rhetoric."

God Bless Lieberman. I don't agree with some of his politics, but he looks like one of the last sane Democrats.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#2  There are two things that make me suspicious of his accounts pre/post 9/11. First off he worked under the Clinton and did nothing for eight years. Second why wait until your book is set for release to launch a ‘bombshell’? If he felt that strongly about his arguments he could have called a press conference and CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC would have slithered up to the bar for a glass of his Kool Aid. I heard General Clark (the one that brought peace to the Balkans) has endorsed this book as a ‘non-biased look at the failures of the Bush administration.’ If you believe that I have a bridge and some swamp land that would interest you.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 03/22/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh great, Kerry has "asked for the book". He's soooo self-important. Why doesn't he send one of his lackeys down to the Barnes and Nobels and buy one.
Posted by: Frank || 03/22/2004 11:23 Comments || Top||

#4  How did he do nothing under the Clinton administration? He did bomb a few factories in Afghanistan, which the Republicans in Congress praised (especially Newt Gingrich). In 1994, Clinton wanted to expand the intelligence agencies' wiretap authority to combat terrorism. Gingrich explained why he was against it: "When you have an agency that turns nine hundred personnel files over to people like Craig Livingstone...it's very hard to justify giving that agency more power." Isn't it funny? As well, during the Clinton administration, they developed a policy of capturing and arresting the terrorists. It was effective. During his term in office, they prevented numerous attacks, including on LAX in 2000, including blowing up 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, including an attack on an Israeli Embassy, and many other attacks. After the attack on the Cole, Richard Clarke put together a proposal to "deal with al-Qaeda." It was given to the Bush administration, but never dealt with until September 4, 2001, a week before 9-11, because Iraq was a greater threat than al-Qaeda. As Paul Wolfowitz said, "Al-Qaeda couldn't launch an attack on us like the [1993] World Trade Center attack without a state sponsor." Granted, while the Clinton administration shrinked the military, the COLD WAR WAS OVER. Why build a military if there wasn't this powerful nation to fight. The administration focused on the technology used. This technology was used in the war in Iraq. Dick Cheney said it best back in 2000: "A commander in chief leads the military build by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow....And when that war [the first Gulf War] ended, the first thing I did was place a call to California, and say thank you to President Ronald Reagan." So when is Dick Cheney going to call President Bill Clinton and thank him?

PS. Sorry if this was long, but I had to point this out.
Posted by: TrueLiberal || 03/22/2004 12:25 Comments || Top||

#5  This is some serious political games.
First - Why did this not come out a couple of years ago? Either for political reasons or profit or both. He will sell more books this close to the election than in 2002.
Second - This guy was the top terrorist adviser in the clinton admin, for 8 years. Not 8 months! Where was the urgency during this time when the first attack occured on the towers,our emabassies were bombed, the cole struck ect. He was also in position of power when alqueda number two man (that piece of shit al zalquira - or however he spells his name)was in the states. Now how did this happen? Asleep at the wheel! Also when the terrorists who took out the towers were coming to this country.
Third - He was demoted in the Bush admin, a little pissed about that?

This guy has no merit! If he knew so much then why wasn't something done years ago? Not in the first months of new admin that had to deal with getting up and running. Not to mention having to replace all the keyboards because some facist son-of-a-bith's in the clinton admin removed the 'W's on the keyboards. Very childish and kinda answers why nothing was done the clinton admin!
Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 13:02 Comments || Top||

#6  TrueLiberal - many of your points are valid. But bottom line the clinton admin either couldn't or wouldn't take the decisive action necassery. Clinton was more concerned about how he was precieved than the security of the US.
It isn't so much the size of the military but how it is applied as part of policy. Taking out a couple of mudhuts and a factory in sudan did not do anything except confirm to the terrorists and countries that support/supported them that the US would do nothing if attacked. Bin Laden believed his organization was safe in Afganistan. This is part of the reason why they chose to attack in such a way.


After the attack on the Cole, Richard Clarke put together a proposal to "deal with al-Qaeda." It was given to the Bush administration, but never dealt with until September 4, 2001

nice try, yes this true but..clinton had many more opportunities to take decisive action but did not. He passed off this major problem to the next admin. Decisive action in 98 most likely would of avoided 9-11.

Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#7  This guy was the top terrorist adviser in the clinton admin, for 8 years. Not 8 months! Where was the urgency during this time when the first attack occured on the towers,our emabassies were bombed, the cole struck ect.
Where was the urgency when our barracks were bombed in Lebanon? It was the worst attack against America by terrorists until September 11. Ironically, the day after the Lebanon attack, we sent our troops into Grenada. And our troops left Lebanon. At least Clinton did something, unlike Regan. Also, the Cole was attacked in October 2000, about a month before the election. Just like in 1998 when Clinton bombed Sudan, people would have claimed it was being done for political purposes. after Bush had taken office. Even then, there was very little time to prepare a significant attack on al-Qaeda. If they prepared an attack on Afghanistan it would have been a lame duck war. Aside, although we felt we knew who was responsible for the Cole attack, we did not know until 2001. So I ask the question, if you wanted to see retaliation attacks, then why didn't the Bush administration do anything in the first 8 months of his administration?
The terrorists who attacked us on September 11 came into the country legally, most of them weren't on the terror list. Those who did, were bungled up because of the poor CIA-FBI communication. Perhaps if people like Newt Gingrich back in the 90s let the Clinton administration expand the FBI and CIA powers, perhaps, just perhaps, things might have gotten better. Also, you refer to the attacks on the WTC in 93 and the embassies. You should know that most of the top figures invovled in the 93 attack has been captured. Those involved in the 98 attack have since been arrested or killed. On September 11, 2001, one of the terrorists arrested was to be sentenced to jail in New York City. Obviously it was postponed.
clinton had many more opportunities to take decisive action but did not
I'm not sure how Clinton didn't take decisive action. Did you miss the part where it said that the administration prevented attacks. Let me review again. They prevented attacks on LAX in 2000, the destruction of 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, an attack on an Israeli embassy, prevented an attack on the Lincoln Tunnel, and many other attacks I'm sure none of us know about. Their actions may not have stopped 9-11, but how do we know if it would have ever been stopped? The Clinton administration took terrorism seriously. Far more than the Bush administration did before 9-11.
Oh yeah. Let us not forget that back in the 80s, the United States gave money to people such as Osama Bin Laden. And who's watch was that under? Oh yeah. Ronald Regan.
Posted by: TrueLiberal || 03/22/2004 13:54 Comments || Top||

#8  Actually, we didn't "give money" to Binny. He was at that time a relatively obscure junior player in the anti-Soviet war. The money came from the U.S. and Soddy Arabia -- I think the princes actually kicked in most of it -- and was disseminated by ISI. ISI ensured most of it went to Hekmatyar. Most of the support we actually directed went to Masood and the Pandjir Valley folks. That's also where most of our actual people on the ground were.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry said Sunday he asked for copies of Clarke’s book to review.

Campaign war-chest must be getting awfully low. Either that, or his previously documented and ridiculed shopping excursions have taught The French-Looking One a lesson. :)
Posted by: eLarson || 03/22/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Point of order True Liberal…I was stationed in the Middle East when they bombed the Barracks in Beirut and we took decisive action against Hezbollah. We bombed just about every structure in the Bekha Valley that could remotely be connected with the terrorists. And then the Israelis bombed what was left. When then took our forces home. In retrospect we should have kept our forces there and keep the Syrians out, but hindsight is 20/20. Clarke is an opportunistic disloyal bastard and should be shot for treason. Decades of appeasement and political correctness have got us where we are today and it will take twice as long to get out of it.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 03/22/2004 14:18 Comments || Top||

#11  As well, during the Clinton administration, they developed a policy of capturing and arresting the terrorists. It was effective.

Except, sadly, the ones that came in to commit 9-11. Most of them got into the US during the Clinton administration.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 15:14 Comments || Top||

#12  The Clinton administration took terrorism seriously.

Which is why they refused to take bin Laden into custody when offered, right? Which is why they refused to kill bin Laden when they had the chance, right?

Which is why they started the "Visa Express" program that let in most of the 9-11 hijackers with no consular or law enforcement review, right?

Clinton was a failure. He's lucky he's not on trial for treason, IMHO.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#13  Another line of attack from the liberals: In the early days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Bush White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for counterterrorism funds by the FBI, an internal administration budget document shows.

The document, dated Oct. 12, 2001, shows that the FBI requested $1.5 billion in additional funds to enhance its counterterrorism efforts with the creation of 2,024 positions. But the White House Office of Management and Budget cut that request to $531 million. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, working within the White House limits, cut the FBI's request for items such as computer networking and foreign language intercepts by half, cut a cyber-security request by three quarters and eliminated entirely a request for "collaborative capabilities."

Gore would have approved that request, and left the Taliban in place. Bush decided to remove both the Taliban and al Qaeda from power in Afghanistan. Note that the US has suffered no additional attacks since 9/11 despite the denial of the FBI's complete wish list (with bells).

Before 9/11, the US already had huge amounts of money spent on anti-terror efforts. What we did not have was the legal authority to conduct wide-ranging investigations of terrorists before they struck. The Patriot Act has taken care of that. We also did not have the political will to take on the terrorists where they are funded and motivated - meaning that terror sponsors (public or private) all over the Muslim world felt safe. The campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq took care of that. An additional $1B of funding for the FBI would not have achieved any of this.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 03/22/2004 15:38 Comments || Top||

#14  Cyber Sarge, where do you get off saying that Clarke is an opportunistic disloyal bastard and should be shot for treason? Sure, he may be opportunistic, but calling him a "disloyal bastard and should be shot for treason," is rediculous. Its because of people like you that we have a problem in this country.
The Bush administration lied to this country when the President said that we have a growning imminent threat against us. When he lied was when he said Iraq instead of North Korea. Maybe the French were right; if we waited six months to give the inspectors the opportunity to look around the country, this would have never happened. UN weapons inspectors are now saying that there likely were not massive stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq since 1994. They're saying that we didn't have justification to go to war based on WMDs. Is it a good thing that Saddam is gone? Absolutely!!!!!!!!! We should have done that in 1991, but Bush, Sr was too afraid to because Iran might have invaded the country. So why should Clarke be shot for treason...because he's a whistleblower, who's pointing out what's going on inside the Administration? He's not the only one...Paul O'Neil was also telling about what was going on. It shows the kind of leader that Bush is: one who doesn't care about the struggles of the people in our weak economy (he would let O'Neil go on about economic issues, and Bush would daze off because he felt that it was a boring issue. What about the people loosing jobs? It's not a boring issue for them!) and one who's vindictive to get back at the assasination attempt against his father.
Should the FBI whistleblower, Crawley (I think that's her name), be shot because the FBI was ignoring her memos about the likelyhood of the attacks on the United States?

Clinton was not a failure. Yes, I am rather unhappy that they got in. They should have been stopped. They were not. This doesn't make Bill Clinton a traitor. How about this. In the 1980s, we supported Saddam Hussein. Don Rumsfeld even met the man in Baghdad. During the 1980s, Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranian people during the Iran-Iraq War. These were chemical weapons we gave them. The United States and Iraq tried to make it seem like it was the Iranians that did it, but it never held up, and we quickly ran away while everyone else wasn't looking. And the world fell for it. So the Administration claims that Iraq has WMDs, and even points to that Saddam used them. He did. The ones we gave them. So if Clinton was a traitor for the terrorists getting into the United States, what about Reagan? What does that make him?
Posted by: TrueLiberal || 03/22/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#15  OK, I was a little overboard saying Clinton should be tried for treason. Pardon my ire at hearing for the thousandth time, how Clinton supposedly did so much while objcetive reality shows he did as little as he could.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#16  Oh, look. The same damned spew we've all seen a thousand times. And it's all just as worthless as it's ever been.

Go away, please. I come to Rantburg to see what intelligent people think, not to read the rantings of DU zombies.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#17  The Clinton administration took terrorism seriously.

Please this statement is way out there. The clinton admin did not take terrorism serously, if he did he would not of sent cruise missles into mud huts but sent in the rangers. Especially when laden came out in 98 and basically declared war. Clinton ignored immenient dangers because he was more concerned with his own legal problems and his public/historical image.

Let me review again. They prevented attacks on LAX in 2000, the destruction of 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, an attack on an Israeli embassy, prevented an attack on the Lincoln Tunnel, and many other attacks I'm sure none of us know about.

Clinton can take credit for these only because they happened during his watch. It is like saying the Cold War was won by Sr. Bush because he was in office, a little far fectched.
Yes clinton did elevate the issue but did not pursue a coherent policy. This success were stumbled on. Take prevented attacks on LAX. US border guards caught an inexperienced terrorist with explosives in his trunk. The aborted attacks on airlines happened due to coperation with the phillipenes.

Now do not get me wrong these were all sucesses but Clinton's policy's did not prevent these acts. There was no overriding policy which was instituted that brought coherance to the fight on terrorism.
Clinton never treated the threat as it was - a policy of war by proxy. We have clear enemies who held the US in contempt for the entire 90's who are now scared shitless. And they are responding with more terrrorism because they are desperate.

Perhaps if people like Newt Gingrich back in the 90s let the Clinton administration expand the FBI and CIA powers, perhaps, just perhaps, things might have gotten better
You mean if the CIA was given back the powers taken away by Democrats in the 70's.

Here we some good ole monday night after game quaterbacking...
Let us not forget that back in the 80s, the United States gave money to people such as Osama Bin Laden. And who's watch was that under? Oh yeah. Ronald Regan.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. No politician in the 80's could of supported iran , it would of been political sucide. It is very amuzing when I hear people revert to this issue, I mean we are talking about 25 years ago. It was a very different world and this agrument has no merit in the current world. And the US did not give money directly the Laden but to forces he was involved with. And at this time, unless we had an insight into his mind, how could we know what he would do. The most pressing issue at the time was to make sure the Soviets did not get a blue water port, throught Afganistan then Pakland.

If they prepared an attack on Afghanistan it would have been a lame duck war
SO POLITICS COME BEFORE OUR SECURITY. Clinton's legacy would of been a pres involved in lame duck war. I am sure Clinton did not want that.
This is where I like Bush, he is more concerned with security and western society than how he will be viewed in 20 years.

Just remember, regardless of who wins in november, we now have a third doctrine to carry us forward. First was the Monroe doctrine, Second the Truman Doctrine and now Third the Bush Doctrine.


True Liberal you have very good points and this issue def needs to be discussed.
Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#18  TrueLiberal: The Bush administration lied to this country when the President said that we have a growning imminent threat against us. When he lied was when he said Iraq instead of North Korea.

Bush said Iraq was a gathering, not an imminent threat. TrueLiberal might wish that Bush had said Iraq was an imminent threat, but he said no such thing.

North Korea cannot possibly be a bigger threat than Iraq - unlike Iraq, North Korea is not next to 2/3 of the world's oil reserves. Unlike Iraq, which is next to some of the most oil-rich, but also some of the weakest countries around, North Korea is surrounded by South Korea, China, Japan and Russia, none of which are pushovers. And unlike Iraq, North Korea has a protector in the form of China that may go to war with the US over any US attacks on North Korea.

TrueLiberal is playing the usual liberal game of saying that Iraq distracted the US from North Korea. The fact is that most liberals would not go to war with North Korea even in the unlikely event that China agreed to stay out. And if China vetoed the idea, I can't see any liberal deciding to go to war with China over North Korea. As to the war in Iraq distracting the US from negotiations with North Korea, note that the North Koreans are playing the same game they were playing in 1994 - more US aid for the unverifiable stoppage of North Korea's nuclear program. This is well short of the US goal of the dismantlement of the program and the removal of North Korea's nuclear material.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 03/22/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#19  "We should have done that in 1991, but Bush, Sr was too afraid to because Iran might have invaded the country."

-Truelib - you either have your facts wrong or are trying to be mis-leading. For one thing, the UN Mandate (which you libz love) was only designated to kick Saddam out of Kuwait - there was no mandate for us going into Baghdad and toppling the regime in 1991. Though in hind sight (which is always 20/20) that would've been great. Iran was not at issue (maybe for the UN - not us), nice try though. I find your statement funny because you LLL's are so pissed at Bush Jr for ignoring the UN yet you call Bush Sr afraid for following a UN mandate in 1991. Which is it?
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||

#20  "Perhaps if people like Newt Gingrich back in the 90s let the Clinton administration expand the FBI and CIA powers, perhaps, just perhaps, things might have gotten better."

-you mean like backing the Torricelli non-sense that Willie the huckster implemented? Yeah, that was a real good one genius. Gimme a break.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#21  The Clinton administration's approach to Islamic terrorism was timid, half-hearted, fragmentary, tunnel-visioned, hamstrung with self-imposed, fastidious legal constraints, and ineffectual.

It had the effect, in the aggregate, of convincing the jihadis that the U.S. was a tired, listless, effete society that no longer had the spine to respond to a determined assault. And that perception, in turn, encouraged the attacks of 9/11.

Clarke was part of the problem. And now he is gone. Tough shit if he feels slighted.
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/22/2004 17:04 Comments || Top||

#22  TL, I may have gone overboard in my assessment of Mr Clarke. But his is opportunistic bastard that he waited until he could make money on what he thinks he knows. He was not loyal to the office for which he held and other still serve. And by peddling he rantings and LIES at a time of war opens him up to a charge of treason. I believe it is still acceptable to shoot those that have been convicted of treason against the state. Finally, this guy is SOOO wired to the Kerry Camp that it boggles the mind! Why isn’t that coming out in the press ad much as his accusations. P.S. the more I hear about this guy, the more I worry about his mental state.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 03/22/2004 19:22 Comments || Top||

#23  And in related news, the "Home Cannibal Recipe Cook Book" cook book recommends, “skin flints are tastier when creamed”…
Posted by: Hyper || 03/22/2004 19:27 Comments || Top||

#24  TrueLiberal wrote: "The Clinton administration took terrorism seriously."

Fred, how come you didn't remove this under your new offensive comments policy?
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 21:33 Comments || Top||


Carter savages Blair and Bush: ’Their war was based on lies’
EFL- London Independent’s title sort of went overboard. Maybe the should be renamed the London Indiscriminant, Incendiary, Incoherent, or Predictable.
Jimmy Carter, the former US president, has strongly criticised George Bush and Tony Blair for waging an unnecessary war to oust Saddam Hussein based on "lies or misinterpretations". The 2002 Nobel peace prize winner said Mr Blair had allowed his better judgement to be swayed by Mr Bush’s desire to finish a war that his father had started.

In an interview with The Independent on the first anniversary of the American and British invasion of Iraq, Mr Carter, who was president from 1977 to 1981, said the two leaders probably knew that many of the claims being made about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction were based on imperfect intelligence. He said: "There was no reason for us to become involved in Iraq recently. That was a war based on lies and misinterpretations from London and from Washington, claiming falsely that Saddam Hussein was responsible for [the] 9/11 attacks, claiming falsely that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. And I think that President Bush and Prime Minister Blair probably knew that many of the allegations were based on uncertain intelligence ... a decision was made to go to war [then people said] ’Let’s find a reason to do so’."
What will he say if Iran is freed?
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:24:05 AM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lileks has the best response to this kind of thinking:

Better the Iraqi people live under the boot for 20 years, and rise up and get slaughtered and rise up again and slaughter those who killed their kin, then have Bush push the FF button and get it over with now. Better they suffer for the right reasons than live better for the wrong ones.
Posted by: Mike || 03/22/2004 10:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Frankly I don't give a hoot what Jimmy UFO Carter thinks we should have done or not.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 03/22/2004 10:39 Comments || Top||

#3  One of these days I'm going to tell you about an American president who didn't see a reason to worry about Soviet SS 20 missiles...
Posted by: True German Ally || 03/22/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#4  claiming falsely that Saddam Hussein was responsible for [the] 9/11 attacks, claiming falsely that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

And here we see Carter repeating two of the major lies of the pro-fascist anti-war movement. God, is there nothing this slime won't stoop to?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:46 Comments || Top||

#5  BN do you know what the dolt (Jimmy Carter) was looking at when he claimed to have seen a UFO, a subject where he 15 years on still talks about?

Venus.

None of the other people at the party who saw the same thing were fooled for one second, Phillip J. Klass (UFO debunker) tracked down those people and interviewed them.
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 03/22/2004 10:49 Comments || Top||

#6  I should've nailed that canoe. But shit the FeatherLites were raining down, I didn't realize the stakes we were playing for. I'm sorry. I am still watchful and hopeful, tho I am slower now.
Posted by: Johnny Wisebunny || 03/22/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Jimmy Carter, the former US president, has strongly criticised George Bush and Tony Blair for waging an unnecessary war to oust Saddam Hussein based on "lies or misinterpretations".

Wow, this coming from some guy who was supposed to be all about human rights, something practically nonexistent in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 10:55 Comments || Top||

#8  Wasn't Carter that really bad president in the late 70's? Just checking...
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 03/22/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#9  Carter fails to realize that past presidents are not supposed to criticize the sitting president, it's supposed to be protocol.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#10  This all boils down for me to do you want to a) interdict terrorism proactively or b) take the Interantionalist view and follow the majority in this case the Euros. We all know where Bush and Kerry both stand on a & b.
I thought of the worst scenario that b comes to fruition and Kerry and his Dimmygogues get in. We pull out of Iraq. Those left behind are slaughtered who had the nerve to seek a democaracy. We cut and run like in NAM. That is the difference between the candidates. Forget the economic bs. Greenspan and the markets control that. It seems to me to be obvious what is really important here. You can figure at least close to 1/2 the population is in the camp of pacifism ala Kerry doctrine. A sad story. There is hope. I predict Kerry will self implode like Dean before November. Yep Kerry and Dean, what a group of "patriots" and credit to their country. lol.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 03/22/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Is it just me, or does Carter seem like he's become more of an ass since he won the Nobel?
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 12:21 Comments || Top||

#12  I could shorten Jarhead's comment and it would be all-encompassing and still true: "Carter fails"
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#13  we in the west are bad, bad i tell you..but when jimmy visits ole kimmy...well kimmy is good guy.... i think the peanuts went to carter's head years ago...
Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#14  Shoulda just killed that fuckin' rabbit, Jimmy...
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#15  past presidents are not supposed to criticize the sitting president

"Unless the sitting pres is a Republican", or, "does not apply to past Democratic presidents", or, "unless a past president wins a Nobel", or, "it's Carter, whadya expect".

One of these four is the disclaimer, I'm not sure which though.
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#16  Carter is responsible for a lot of this Islamofacist mess. If he had done the right thing and supported the Shah (or helped the Shah introduce democracy back then) we would not have the black hats.

They were the ones who served as the seed for the introduction of the Islamic State. Carter is an ass whose presidency and life since, other than Habitat for Humanity, has been a failure. What a creep.
Posted by: remote man || 03/22/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#17  Remote man -- Carter had nothing to do with creating Habitat for Humanity, all he did was publicize it. It was already a going concern when he became involved.

So, there's NOTHING Carter has been a success at.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 13:05 Comments || Top||

#18  Wasn't Carter at the helm when Iran violated our territory and committed an act of war by invading our embassy and holding the people hostage?

And sent the clear message that the united states is a paper tiger?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 14:58 Comments || Top||

#19  What should Bush have done, Jimmah? Dim the lights on the National Christmas Tree? I think that's what you considered force projection.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#20  Hey, folks, this is not just Carter. There was an editorial in our local (actually pretty conservative) newspaper, "Much of the Intelligence about Saddam's Weapons was Untrue", written by a David MacMichael. Mr. MacMichael just happens to be a "former CIA analyst", and a member of the
"Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity", which just HAPPENS to oppose the Iraq war. I'm working on a Fisk of the article that I'll hopefully have posted to my website by the end of the week. This - each and ever bit of it - is an orchestrated campaign by the Democratic National Committee to smear George Bush and see John Kerry elected. None of this is being done "off the cuff" - every ounce of it is planned, programmed, and carefully manipulated for every ounce of impact it can get.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/22/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#21 
Carter savages Blair and Bush: ’Their war was based on lies’
He should know. His WHOLE USELESS LIFE has been a lie.

He's a waste of oxygen. I should have voted for George Wallace in that primary; turns out he was actually the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:37 Comments || Top||

#22  Um, CrazyFool, I seem to remember that Carter did

try to rescue the hostages
. It wasn't well planned: the helicopters didn't like the weather much; but you can't say he didn't try. He didn't worry about unilaterilism either.
Posted by: James || 03/22/2004 16:23 Comments || Top||

#23  James - what carter did was worse the multilaterilism - he tied the military's hands in that rescue attempt...he demanded to be part of every key decision. not a way to conduct an operation. do the politics and let the military do its job. in this respect he did more harm than good.

Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#24  I was stationed in Germany when the Iranian hostage situation occurred. We went on alert for a week figuring the 15s would be sent in . Then suddenly we were sent home. Guess Carter got weak-kneed about actually doing something about the situation.

Postnote: I was gone for the past week with no internet access! The one thing I really missed was Rantburg. Took me a few hours to get caught up on the past week's rants!
Posted by: AF Lady || 03/22/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||

#25  The Carter Doctrine:

1) When the pressure isn't directly on you, boycott the Olympic Games.

2) When the pressure is directly on you, cave in. Make sure that the world knows that you are a paper tiger.

3) When no one asks your involvement, jump in with both feet and negotiate the most ruinous possible outcome for the United States of America.
Posted by: eLarson || 03/22/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#26  Carter left 4 covert ops military guys out to dry in the mountains behind Teheran during the aborted hostage rescue. They took 4 grueling months to evade and escape into Afghanistan. There were originally five of them, but one of them's chute did not open at 500' AGL during a night HALO drop and he smacked the ground. Carter could NEVER be trusted.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 23:17 Comments || Top||

#27  Yes Carter did try -- halfheartedly to rescue the hostages -- once. But then he started to negociate(sp?) with the terrorists. Attacking that embassy (or any embassy) is an overt act of war just as if they had marched on Washington DC or New York or any other U.S. territory and should have been treated as such -- including dispatching military forces if necessary and the revolutionary government (and its leaders) should have been held personally responsible for the welfare of the hostages. But Carter treated it like a regular hostage situation. (pretty please dont hurt the hostages.....).
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 23:51 Comments || Top||


Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Ramzi Yousef (Part 6)
I wrote this. Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5.
Terry Nichols’ and first wife Lana divorced during the year December 1989 (the divorce became final on December 18). As part of the divorce process, he and Lana liquidated their property, and he received about $100,000 as his share. In late November 1989 he flew to Cebu City in the Philippines, for a visit arranged by a marriage-broker agency. He spent about three weeks in Cebu City meeting women through the agency and also, according to Lana, "meeting potential business partners." He returned to Cebu City for about a week in November 1990 in order to marry Marife. (Lana Padilla, By Blood Betrayed, Harpers, 1995; details about property settlement on page 196; quote about business partners on page 150.)

During these first two visits, when he had a large amount of cash at his disposal and was expressing a desire to establish a business partnership, he certainly might have attracted the attention of various people in Cebu City. In some cases this attention might have persisted through the following years, especially since he and Marife returned to Cebu City several times.

A likely locus of such attraction was the Starglad International Lumber Company, the very name of which indicates an ambition for foreign business partners. Nichols had worked as a carpenter in the United States and therefore might have had some ideas related to dealing in lumber. Marife’s family lived in an apartment over Starglad and used that company’s office phone for its own phone calls. When Nichols was in the United States and wanted to talk Marife or her family, he would call that phone.

Another likely locus was a Cebu City boarding house owned by Marife’s cousin Ernesto Malaluan. Nichols apparently lived there on occasions when he visited Cebu City, and he also called to that number from the United States. Another phone number that was called belonged to a Cebu City resident named Naneth D. Jaraive. Of course, when Marife was in the United States, she (not Terry) might have initiated some of these phone calls.

Terry and Marife moved back to the Cebu City in January 1993 with the intention of staying there permanently. During the previous month he and Marife had visited Timothy McVeigh at the latter’s home in New York. At about the same time that Terry and Marife moved to the Philippines, McVeigh quit his security-guard job and began to make his own living entirely as a dealer at gun shows. As Nichols considered his own business future in Cebu City in January 1993, he certainly would have been particularly interested in exploring contacts and opportunities related to dealing in weapons in the Philippines. By that time, too, Terry had become very vocal in his criticism of the United States government. He had publicly renounced his US citizenship and had declared various US legal institutions to be profoundly illegitimate.

Despite their intention to stay in the Philippines, Terry and Marife returned to the United States already in February, moving back in with Terry’s brother James on a farm in Decker, Michigan. There, in April 1993, they were joined by McVeigh. During that period a lot of experiments with home-made bombs were conducted on the farm.

In December 1993, Terry and Marife moved to Las Vegas, Nevada, and they maintained a residence there until April 1994. One purpose for that move was for Terry to spend more time with his son Joshua, who lived there with Terry’s ex-wife Lana. Because of this proximity, Lana had some knowledge of Terry’s activities during that period. She recalled in her book (page 170) that Terry did not really work in Las Vegas. Instead he basically commuted from Las Vegas to Junction City, Kansas, where (as she understood) he was organizing some kind of business dealing in "military hardware." In fact, by March 1994 he was living and working full-time on a farm in Marion, Kansas, while Marife continued to live in Las Vegas.

In April Marife joined Terry in Marion. By August 1, 1994, Lana was told, Terry had accumulated $12,000 and had decided to move permanently to Cebu City, to where Marife had by then already returned and enrolled in college. On that date Terry, therefore, Terry gave his farmer boss a one-month notice that he would quit that job on September 1 (By Blood Betrayed, page 171). Marife did move back to Cebu City, and after she left McVeigh moved in with Nichols for a while in August. During that visit, Nichols and McVeigh decided to start a business together, selling merchandise at gun shows. Their major product, McVeigh later said, would be bags of ammonium nitrate for use in the manufacture of home-made bombs. Somehow, it seems, Nichols’ intention to move permanently to Cebu City fit with his plan to start this bomb-supply business with McVeigh.

Nichols did quit his farm job on September 1, but he did not emigrate immediately to join Marife in Cebu City. It seems that the initial delay was caused by an opportunity for him and McVeigh to steal a large amount of explosive materials from a quarry in Marion. They stored these materials at a storage business in Herington, Kansas. The selection of this particular storage business was apparently related to a personal acquaintance between Nichols and a woman named Helen May Mitchell, who helped manage the business as a secondary job. Her primary job was to manage accounting books for the Clark Lumber Company in Herington. Since Mitchell knew Nichols, the storeroom for the stolen explosive materials was apparently rented not by Nichols, but by McVeigh, using the pseudonym Shawn Rivers. (Richard Serrano, One of Ours: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing (NY: Norton, 1998), page 92).

Keeping in mind that Nichols at that time intended to return soon to Cebu City, in particular to a family that lived on top of the Starglad International Lumber Company, his apparent interest in the Clark Lumber Company is intriguing. Along these same lines, it is interesting to note that earlier that year, McVeigh settled for a while in Kingman, Arizona, and asked his friend Michael Fortier, to arrange a job at a True Value Hardware store, where Fortier worked in the bookkeeping department. Responding to McVeigh’s request, Fortier arranged for McVeigh to work for the store, specifically in its lumber department. McVeigh worked there for several weeks and then quit and left town.

Eventually on November 22, 1994, Nichols flew from Las Vegas to Cebu City. His ex-wife Lana drove him to the airport. Lana later recounted in her book (page 3) that as she drove her ex-husband to the airport in Las Vegas that day, she wondered about his frequent trips to Cebu City. At that moment it seemed to her that Terry had been traveling there about four times a year, sometimes while Marife was residing in the United States. She wondered about the purposes and costs of these trips, but refrained from asking him any questions about this subject.

Later that same day, Nichols called her from Las Angeles, where the flight had a stop-over. He now informed her that he had tried to carry a couple of stun guns onto the airplane but had been caught. He could have placed these guns into his checked-in luggage but instead attempted to bring them onto the airplane in his carry-on luggage. The airplane crew did allow him to board but temporarily confiscated the stun guns, promising to return them after the airplane arrived in the Philippines. For some reason, Terry wanted Lana to hear this information before his flight left Las Angeles for the Philippines (ibid).

Later, Lana interpreted a series of events preceding Terry’s departure to conclude that he expected to die in the near future. Joshua was very upset, after a conversation with Terry, that he would never see his father again. Terry also left some secret instructions with Lana that would enable McVeigh to take possession of a truck and of the contents of a local storeroom if McVeigh showed up in Terry’s absence.

Lana’s interpretation is not necessarily correct, though. Perhaps, more simply, Terry thought he was moving to Cebu City permanently. He would not be in the United States when McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma City federal building on April 19, 1995, but he was leaving some resources to help McVeigh escape after that explosion. Nichols, I think, simply intended to avoid the expected (by him) subsequent attention as he stayed far away in Cebu City.

During the several days before Lana drove Terry to the airport, he had stayed in her home. Every morning McVeigh called at 7 a.m. and talked with him over the phone. Immediately after Nichols flew away, these morning phone calls ceased. About three weeks later, though, on December 16, McVeigh called again and asked Lana whether Terry had returned from Cebu City. She answered that he hadn’t and that she didn’t have a phone number for Terry but did have a mailing address, which she gave to McVeigh. Based on that phone call, McVeigh apparently determined that Nichols very likely would not be in the United States on April 19. Within a couple days after that phone call, Lana later read, McVeigh began calling around to other acquaintances to arrange for some transportation help in the coming months. McVeigh now expected that Nichols would still be away in the Philippines on April 19. In the meantime there would be no telephone communication between McVeigh and Nichols, but McVeigh would have Nichols’ mailing address, which was a post box.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 3:37:16 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
No more dictatorships by 2025
Interesting idea, interesting read.

Good article. The best is the last paragraph, though:
The good news is that, in 1972, there were only forty-three free countries in the world. Today there are eighty-nine. We are about to add Iraq to the list no matter how messy that effort may seem. Americans are dying there for the same reason they died in far greater numbers to free Europe and Asia in the last century. That's what free people do. They fight and they die to free others because it is the right thing to do and because a free world is a safe world.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 12:33:37 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hey, Dr Steve, Thanx! I think this is more than just interesting, I think it almost kicks ass. It certainly accurately defines who be the asshats and who be the Good Guys. It correctly states the UN case. It correctly summarizes the strengths and weaknesses and the lost benefits of having all of those motherfucking dictatorships, pathetic socialist jokes, and the few remaining utterly idiotarian holdout communist regimes.

It kills me to have to say that I've never even heard of the Community of Democracies, before. And my knowledge of Amb Palmer is almost equally scant. I will begin to remedy this immediately!

Everyone here in RB should read this article. Though I am not a fan of Z-Big or Kissinger, with whom Palmer has been closely associated and apparently are participants, I will take it on its face as an improvement, for now, while I bone up. Personally, I am VERY favorably inclined to Bush's approach - if allowed to play their games, the ME assholes would make the process take several generations... and this is something that it appears the CD accepts. In the end, I believe they will fail to grasp the opportunity and fail to appreciate the magnitude of benefit for Bush's ME Initiative. But hey, that's just me, eh? I think there's this 40km-wide strip of land...

Thanx, again!
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  "It is time to let the world's remaining dictators know their time is up."

I think that's precisely what our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq were intended to do- and we're not through, yet. Bush said this was going to be a long war, and 2025 sounds like a good target date for the demise of the last dictatorship on Earth.
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/22/2004 6:09 Comments || Top||

#3  great article. I'm feeling very disheartened about the upcoming election - so this was a nice pick me up for the morning.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 6:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Here's more from Jonathan Rauch. In Geneva, The U.N.'s Successor May Be Testing Its Wings
Posted by: Parabellum || 03/22/2004 7:25 Comments || Top||

#5  B, why be disheartened. Sure, 2004 will be a catfight, but in the end Dubya will walk away with a landslide.

Why?

Things are improving greatly and the democrats know it. The previous year has been spent talking down the economy just so their nominated leftist can run on a higher taxes platform.

Oopsies! Not happening. In fact, now that Kerry has expressed his desire to raise taxes and spending, he has to do these intellectual gymnastics to keep from defining his positions on the issues. With the economy improving dramatically over the next three quarters, the democrats are spooging all over themselves at the possibility of taxing the living sh*t out of all those higher incomes and new businesses so they can fund their socialist agenda, and so they can bring down the defenses of the USA.

They not only want the barbarians at the gate. They want YOU to fix them dinner and tuck them in your bed.

All ya gotta do is show up to the voting booth in November and you can send the left a message: You run the coutry? You who want to get into the White House so you can treat terrorism like a mugging, like you did 1993-2001? You want to raise taxes? You want to pass into legislation Teddy's, Elenor's, Eleano's, Yassir's, Linda Corrie's Sean Penn's, Al Qaeda Patty Murray's, Baghdad Jim McDermott's and Naomi's agenda?

Cowboy up. We have a long ways to go. This election will be a referendum on the left, not Dubya. It is about whether this nation wants to let the leftists define the national agenda: allow leftists to define for us social and foreign policy, or do we want those policies to be defined by what is in our national interests.
Posted by: badanov || 03/22/2004 8:45 Comments || Top||

#6  I think you mean "Saddle up", Badanov.
Posted by: Ptah || 03/22/2004 9:01 Comments || Top||

#7  I hope you are right. But after the defeats in Spain and Germany, I wonder about the ability of the press to turn W's victories into defeats. I don't think that ability should be underestimated.

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?i=1&n=1



Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 9:22 Comments || Top||

#8  From the article:-

"the free nations produce 89% of the world's economic output; the dictatorships just 6%."

OK call me dumb, but what happened to the remaining 5%?
Posted by: A || 03/22/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#9  That be in those French and Swiss banks A.

"Cowboy up" is the real deal. It's about getting your gear and yourself straight. A beautiful thing. The movie 'Open Range' has alot of that.

Good article.
Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||

#10  Badanov's obviously a member of Red Sox Nation!
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#11  A> "OK call me dumb, but what happened to the remaining 5%?"

The article seems to be using the statistics of FreedomHouse, and its charts for the year 2003.

The 5% belongs to "Partly Free" countries, which are neither full-fledged dictatorships nor can be considered free. Countries like Russia, Indonesia, Nigeria, so forth...
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 03/22/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#12  #4 Parabellum:
. In Geneva, The U.N.'s Successor May Be Testing Its Wings
God, I hope this flies so high and so fast that the propwash from its wings pushes the U.N. into the deepest part of the ocean!

(Yeah, yeah - I know it's a mixed metaphor. So sue me.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#13  As long as we are fallen beings, there WILL be tyrants. In fact, there will be a big one during the Tribulation.
Posted by: Korora || 03/22/2004 20:57 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Abdullah sworn in as Malaysian PM
Good to see the Islamofascists get their asses whupped
Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi has been sworn in as the country’s leader after winning a landslide general election victory. The ruling National Front coalition also won 12 out of 13 states, recapturing the state of Terengganu from the Islamic Party (Pas). A recount is still underway in the only other state Pas controls, Kelantan. It is a major victory for Mr Abdullah, who assumed power in October when Mahathir Mohamad retired. The 64-year-old career politician and former Islamic student had campaigned hard in the northern states - a heartland for ethnic Malay Muslims - and has called for "modern and progressive" Islamic rule. "This big win means a lot to us all. It represents the acceptance, the support of the people for the coalition," Mr Abdullah said after declaring victory.

His ruling coalition won 195 of 219 seats in the federal parliament and stunned the Islamic opposition by securing huge margins, even in the states the opposition thought were safely its own. The opposition Islamic leader, Abdul Hadi Awang, has conceded defeat in Terengganu, which has been held by Pas since 1999. Mr Hadi lost his parliamentary seat as well as his position as Terengganu’s chief minister. Terengganu state has been controlled by Pas since 1999 The final result in the state of Kelantan is still not clear. Pas had been hoping to hang on to both states it controlled before the election, and also take control of a third state, Kedah. But the ruling party retained control of the state, as well as its tiny neighbour Perlis, which Pas had also targeted.

Mr Abdullah was appointed as prime minister by Mr Mahathir in a long-arranged power transfer. The BBC’s Jonathan Kent says this election victory may give the new prime minister the boost he needs to push through his package of reforms, including his promise to stamp out corruption. The huge parliamentary majority gives the ruling coalition the power to pass laws uncontested. The only winner among the opposition parties was the non-religious Democratic Action Party. Its chairman and deputy were returned to parliament, having lost their seats in 1999. In a surprise result, the National Justice Party of jailed former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim lost four out of the five seats it previously held. Mr Anwar’s wife Azizah Ismail was the only member of the party to retain their seat.
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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran, Victim of Political Games in IAEA: German Analyst
Mehr News Agency
A German analyst on Middle Eastern affairs, Ulrich Ladurner, on Tuesday praised Iran’s cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), saying that Iran is a victim of political games.
"Ja! Dat's right! It's all politix!"
Talking to the Mehr News Agency, Ladurner said Iran has demonstrated acceptable cooperation with the IAEA regarding its nuclear activities. “Iran suspended its uranium enrichment activities s requested by the IAEA and even announced that it is willing to increase its cooperation with the agency,” he said. “These positive measures from Iran show the loyalty of this country toward its international obligations,” the analyst added. Ladurner criticized negative remarks by the U.S. that had called Iran’s nuclear program “unconventional”.
That's a polite word. Bet it came out of the State Department...
“Iran is expected to increase its cooperation with the agency as an effective step toward resolving the remaining ambiguities in regard to its nuclear programs and winning the trust of the IAEA Board of Governors,” he said. Elsewhere in his remarks, Ladurner said he had not heard about a confidential shipment of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) to Iraq by U.S. forces, saying, “I have received no information in this regard.”
"But I'm sure it's happened."
“If the news were confirmed, important changes would occur in the region,” he stated. The analyst said the U.S. and British forces attacked Iraq under the pretext that Iraq possessed WMD. The analyst further stated that transferring power to the Iraqis would definitely resolve the current crisis in Iraq. “Iraq’s interim constitution is a positive step toward the country’s future development but the important thing is how to implement,” he said.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 9:53:41 PM || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 22:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Fascinating, Mr Ladurner. I see it says you are an "analyst" on Middle Eastern Affairs. And, pray tell, are you a spokesdink for the German Gov't? Are we to presume your comments reflect the official view - or are you just another apologist fucktard with oral diarrhea and a brain composed of Socilaist mush?

TGA - is this guy thus empowered?
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 22:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Google sez:
Ulrich Ladurner is a correspondent of the weekly newspaper Die Woche.

Why, you're just a fucking reporter! How, um, asinine for Mehr News Agency to use you as an expert source for their story... guess you guys had one too many lagers over lunch, eh?

In the book publishing biz, this is called logrolling - authors plugging each other with nifty quotes.

What do you call it in the news biz?
Totally self-serving agenda-driven bullshit.

Fuck you both. Thank you.
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 23:05 Comments || Top||

#4  In the "news biz" it's called reporting, dumb blogger. On the expense report, it's called cultivating confidential sources.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 03/22/2004 23:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Dumb blogger? Moi? Did I say something untrue? Do you have a lager stuffed sideways up your ass? Or is your reference to someone / something else? I'm just an Enquiring Mind, you know - the variety seeking some truth instead of pre-hashed opinion.

So, Mr Davis, are you casting aspersions upon my character?

If so, well I'm sure you can figure out what comes next without me using Fred's bandwidth. 8-(

If not, I don't get it. I flunked Mind Reading 101. Thanx, in advance, for your clarfication! :-)
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 23:45 Comments || Top||


Protestors Denouce Syrian Treatment of Ethnic Kurds
Protesters marched through the streets of Washington Sunday, condemning the Syrian government for its treatment of ethnic Kurds. The demonstration came after a week of violence between Kurds and Syrian security forces left dozens of people dead. The protesters denounced Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and called for an end to Kurdish oppression in the Middle East.
They mean oppression of the Kurds, not by the Kurds...
Standing in front of the Syrian embassy, some 200 protesters waved Kurdish flags and banners condemning the treatment of Kurdish people in Syria and elsewhere in the region. Protesters gathered outside the Syrian embassy before marching several kilometers to the White House. They said the violence last week in Syria has sparked a show of Kurdish solidarity, with similar demonstrations in Europe, Syria and a protest in northern Iraq by thousands of Iraqi Kurds. Mehmet Akbas said the violence is just the most recent incident in a long history of Kurdish oppression in Syria. "The Syrian regime it's an oppressive regime, it's a criminal regime," he says. "There's no difference whatsoever between Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein or the government policies - the same Baath party that was in Iraq now we have the same thing in Syria."
The guy must read Rantburg!
Banners at the protest linked Syrian President Assad with deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, saying Saddam is gone, Assad is next.
There's a thought.
Kary Karadaghi, the executive director an organization lobbying for Kurdish independence, spoke to the crowd of demonstrators gathered outside the White House. "Kurdish people in Syria are the most oppressed people, after our brothers and sisters in Turkey and our brothers and sisters in Iran. We have pretty much liberated Kurdistan of Iraq," she said. Don't you agree with me? Now is the time to free Kurdistan of Turkey, Syria and Iran. And nobody can do it except us and them. We have to be united, we'll do it together."
Bet some Turkish generals are having sleepless nights.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 12:19:31 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Should have told me, I would have come down and photographed them and uploaded it to rantburg.

200 people eh? Let's see....SF drew 400. What percentage of people in the US can actually point to Syria on the map? Gives you an idea of how successful those well organized ANSWER protests were...snicker.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 6:51 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Egypt Cancels Legislators' Israel Visit
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 09:13 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Asked about the killing's likely impact on the peace process, Mubarak replied: "What peace process?"

Isn't that what Sharon has been saying all along? At least we are all in agreement now.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#2  The message that Mubarak sends inadvertently or otherwise: Egyptian leaders love terrorist leaders.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||


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Zahir heads for the hills
The Afghan government commander accused of killing a minister who was the son of a powerful provincial governor has fled fighting in which more than 100 people were reported killed, officials say. "Nayebzada and his supporters have fled, we don't know where; some of his men surrendered to us," said Khan's spokesmen Ghulam Mohammad Masoan.
Took my advice, did he?
He said 10 of Khan's men had been killed. Nayebzada told Reuters on Sunday more than 100 people on both sides had died. He could not be reached on Monday.
Headed for the hills, didn't leave a forwarding address...
An Afghan aid worker said the battles that had raged in several areas of the city had died down after midnight, but many residents were staying at home. He said the fighting had involved tanks, mortars and artillery. The halt to the fighting came shortly after the U.S. embassy issued a statement urging all involved "to remain calm and to abide by the rule of law and avoid further bloodshed".
"Don't make me come up there!"
Karzai chaired an emergency National Security Council meeting on Sunday and a presidential spokesman said government troops would be sent to restore order. He warned of "severe" action unless the fighting was halted. Nayebzada said on Sunday he had acted in self-defence after Khan's forces tried to take control of his division and Sadiq attacked his house. "I did not kill Sadiq in an ambush; he was killed in a clash afterwards," he said.
"Yeah! It was after we ambushed him!"
A Khan loyalist said Sadiq was killed while investigating an incorrect rumour that his father had been ambushed. The U.S. embassy expressed concern about the violence, which it said appeared to have begun as a "traffic incident".
Great headline: "100 dead in Herat road rage incident"...
"Afghans must not let the success of the last two years be put in jeopardy by this incident," it said, underscoring the risks to U.S. efforts to stabilise the country. About 100 U.S. soldiers and State Department personnel are in Herat as one of the U.S. military's Provincial Reconstruction Teams and tasked with bolstering security. U.S. army spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Bryan Hilferty said on Sunday they were monitoring the situation but had not intervened.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:05:38 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The U.S. embassy expressed concern about the violence, which it said appeared to have begun as a "traffic incident".

Oh. Road rage was it?
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 0:14 Comments || Top||


Afghan Governor's Forces Reclaim Herat
Forces loyal to Herat's governor claimed to have retaken control in the western city Monday after fierce factional fighting that killed Afghanistan's aviation minister and left as many as 100 people dead. The governor's troops fought against those of militia commander Zaher Naib Zada, who said his forces were responsible for Sunday's fatal shooting of Aviation Minister Mirwais Sadiq, which sparked the clashes.
Bet there aren't too many prisoners.
Fighters loyal to Gov. Ismail Khan - the aviation minister's father - on Monday took control of Zada's militia barracks and detained 25 of his fighters but the commander himself escaped capture, police chief Zia Mauddin Mahmud said by telephone. Mahmud said 50 to 60 people died in hours of fighting with guns, rockets and tanks. Zada, speaking to The Associated Press by telephone on Sunday, said the death toll was between 50 to 100. At daybreak Monday, no one was answering at Zada's number.
"We ain't answering. In fact we ain't here. Leave a message."
Either death toll would mark one of the worst bursts of violence under President Hamid Karzai's U.S.-allied government, still trying to assert control over regional militias nationwide since the late 2001 fall of the Taliban. Defense Minister Mohammed Fahim had demanded an immediate cease-fire in the Herat fighting late Sunday, and ordered newly U.S.-trained Afghan National Army soldiers deployed from the capital to try to calm the city.
Given the roads they should be there, oh, Thursday.
Those orders followed an emergency late-night session of security chiefs of Karzai's shaky government, rocked by the killing of Sadiq - the third top figure, and second aviation minister, to die violently in office.
[Karzai] "Next on the agenda tonight: we need a new aviation minister."
[Mahmoud, nervously]: "Why's everyone looking at me?"
The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said Monday that German and Italian diplomats were sheltering at a U.S. base in Herat, and urged all parties involved in the violence "to remain calm and abide by the rule of law and avoid further bloodshed." Karzai's first civil aviation minister, Abdul Rahman, was assassinated Feb. 14, 2002, at Kabul's airport. Gunmen shot and killed Vice President Abdul Qadir in the capital on July 6, 2002. Both of those killings remain unsolved.
No twitch there!
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 11:48:40 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If Khan relies on Afghan Army troops to restore order thats a big win for the central govt, why Fahim is so eager to send them. It looks like Khan the "emir of Herat" wont be needing them though.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 03/22/2004 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Khan is the father.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 8:13 Comments || Top||

#3  oops..never mind LH...I misread your post.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 9:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Aviation minister eh? Last time I heard, the Afghan Airlines had 4 airliners, and 2 were not working.
Posted by: Bill || 03/22/2004 16:43 Comments || Top||



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