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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Pakistan Looking to John Wright as Next Coach
Pakistan’s cricket authorities have turned to New Zealander John Wright as a possible replacement for coach Bob Woolmer, who died during the World Cup. Sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) told Reuters that some discussions had been held with Wright, 52, to find out if he would be interested in coaching the national side. “Wright’s response was good. The board is also looking at another foreigner, Tim Boon, coach of Leicestershire, as a possible candidate,” one source said yesterday.

The PCB yesterday named all-rounder Shoaib Malik as captain until the end of the year and former Test player, Talat Ali, as manager for two years but did not announce a replacement for Woolmer.

Woolmer, the former England player, was coach from 2004 until March 18 this year when he was pronounced dead in hospital in Jamaica a day after Pakistan lost to debutants Ireland and were eliminated from the World Cup in the first round. His death is being treated by Jamaican police as murder.

Pakistan also had a foreign coach, Briton Richard Pybus, in the 2003 World Cup when they did not progress beyond the first round. “The reason the board has delayed naming a new coach is because it is still looking at several candidates some of them foreigners,” the source said. He said Wright, who was coach of the Indian team from 2000 to 2005, was a strong candidate followed by Boon who was video analyst with the England team during their 2005 Ashes win over Australia.
Posted by: Fred || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  People are dying for this job
Posted by: Captain America || 04/21/2007 1:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Hahahahaha!

Check out the Termination of Contract Cluase John.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 2:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Ship, Check out the Termination of Contract Cluase John.

fine print:

strangulation and poison = not so golden parachute.
Posted by: RD || 04/21/2007 6:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Be sure the contract provides an armed security Guard(s) 24-7-365
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Shitty retirement benefits.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 23:52 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Sky is Falling: Study: Sudden sea level surges threaten 1 billion
Possibly a cool tool in the right hands. But whatever they do with it, I'm sure the important lessons will be glossed over by our beloved bungling FEMA bureaucrats.
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- More than 1 billion people live in low-lying areas where a sudden surge in sea level could prove as disastrous as the 2004 Asian tsunami, according to new research presented on Thursday.
And it could happen to all of them at the same time, too!
New mapping techniques show how much land would be lost and how many people affected by rapid sea level rises that are often triggered by storms and earthquakes, a U.S. Geological Survey-led team determined.
New techniques? What, did someone invent something that would give you your altitude or something?
E. Lynn Usery, who led the team, said nearly one-quarter of the world's population lives below 100 feet above sea level -- the size of the biggest surge during the 2004 tsunami that pulverized villages along the Indian Ocean and killed 230,000 people.
Wave height or surge height?
"What we are suggesting is what kind of areas are at risk (in) a catastrophic event," Usery told a meeting of the Association of American Geographers.
Really? Does it explain how badly modern-day relief operations will be bungled given all our cool high-tech stuff compared to the awesome response in the 30's where all they had was brains and the will to truly help their fellow man?
"The fact that there are that many people living at that sea level means there are probably a lot of people potentially in harm's way."
Interesting theory. I'll have to go get myself tons of grant money to research it.
The team also found that a 100-foot rise in sea level would cover 3.7 million square miles of land worldwide.
Err, anybody know where this water would come from anyway?
A rise of just 16 feet would affect 669 million people and 2 million square miles of land would be lost.
And a rise of 20,000 feet would wipe out just about everything!
Sea levels are currently rising about 0.04 to 0.08 inches each year, making it unlikely such a scenario would suddenly occur across the globe, Usery said.
Unlikely? But it could still happen, right?
But he said 10,000 years ago sea levels rose 20 meters in 500 years -- a relatively short span -- after the collapse of the continental ice sheets.
Ma, have you seen my runnin' shoes anywhere?
"It can happen in a short period of time if we look at the historical data," Usery said.
Geologically speaking, that is.
More importantly, he said, the new mapping technique provides detail that was previously unavailable and gives policymakers better tools to prepare for potential disasters. With just a mouse click on the computer, researchers can gauge how much land would be lost at various sea levels, and where.
They've been playing with it for hours now! It's really addictive!
The team developed its own mapping projection software and then plugged in U.S. Geological Survey data on population, elevation and different types of land cover.
Does it include data on population density of liberals as a function of elevation?
"This can be used by nations in the world to put contingency plans in place," Usery said. "We haven't had data sets at this kind of resolution before."
Look! A sudden 10 meter surge with infinite capacity would wipe out 1/3 of the terrorist population and 32.4% of moonbats!
The impetus for the project came after the 2004 tsunami and Hurricane Katrina in 2005 underlined the devastating impact sudden sea level surges can have on those living in coastal areas, Usery said.
Is anybody using the Homer "Doh!" graphic right now?
Even though people know low-lying areas like the Netherlands or many parts of Asia are at risk of flooding, many do not realize just how big a risk they are facing.
We're due for our 10,000 year surge any day now!
"A 30-meter surge in Florida would leave the whole state covered except for a little plateau area," Usery said.
Joe, could you comment on this scenario?
You're a glutton for punishment, you are.
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 04:22 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  These surges, are they happening every 12 1/2 to 13 hours? MOON POWER, baby!
Posted by: Almost Anonymous5839 || 04/21/2007 11:52 Comments || Top||

#2  I thought there were laws against Usery...
Posted by: Cleaper Grundy3282 || 04/21/2007 12:01 Comments || Top||

#3  What about the NASA alert that an asteroid is going to impact the Pacific off California in 2036?

I don't think there's any need to worry about "Low lying areas", worry about floods (Tsunamis) in the High Sierras.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Then, there's the down side...
Posted by: badanov || 04/21/2007 12:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Learn to swim.
Cuz I'm praying for rain and I'm praying for tidal waves I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.


-MJK
Posted by: xbalanke || 04/21/2007 15:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Other studies have shown all 6 billion current humans residing on Earth will die.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 04/21/2007 15:58 Comments || Top||

#7  SOme time back I read about an impending landslide off the Canary Islands that would send a tsunami well into the Appalachians. My buddy at work said it'd reach the Rockies.

Getchyer lifejackets here!

Before Yellowstone blows into the Super Volcano.
Posted by: Bobby || 04/21/2007 16:27 Comments || Top||

#8  BTW - really great inline commentary, Gorb!
Posted by: Bobby || 04/21/2007 16:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Save the fluffy bunnies!
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 17:14 Comments || Top||

#10  BTW - really great inline commentary, Gorb!

Don't thank me, thank the guys who write the material I start with! ;-)
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 17:50 Comments || Top||

#11  In fairness gorb you put the icing on the cake.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 18:40 Comments || Top||

#12  Has anyone ever done any physical evaluation of how much energy it would take to actually release the water in the ice caps? It takes one calorie of energy to heat one cubic centimeter of water one degree celsius. There is an estimated 100,000 cubic MILES of ice locked up in the Greenland icecap, at a temperature of -45C. My math skills are terrible, but I think there are a HUGE number of cubic centimeters in a single cubic mile, and to heat each one of them at LEAST 45 degrees warmer than it is now is going to take a HUGE amount of heat. It's a shame so many of our "climate change scientists" have so poor an education.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/21/2007 21:11 Comments || Top||


The wave that destroyed Atlantis
The legend of Atlantis, the country that disappeared under the sea, may be more than just a myth. Research on the Greek island of Crete suggests Europe's earliest civilisation was destroyed by a giant tsunami.

Until about 3,500 years ago, a spectacular ancient civilisation was flourishing in the Eastern Mediterranean. The ancient Minoans were building palaces, paved streets and sewers, while most Europeans were still living in primitive huts. But around 1500BC the people who spawned the myths of the Minotaur and the Labyrinth abruptly disappeared. Now the mystery of their cataclysmic end may finally have been solved.

The wave would have been as powerful as the one that devastated the coastlines of Thailand and Sri Lanka on Boxing day 2004 leading to the loss of over 250,000 lives.
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Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Personally, I'm more concerned about the massive tidal waves that will strike the rest of the world, including the Pacific, iff the Moon explodes + riccochets into the Earth ala THE COLOR OF MONEY + EARTHSTORM, D ***nged TOM CRUISE = VINCENT and his EIGHT BALL??? THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT IT COULD BE WORSE, ala GABRIEL'S SWORD slicing/halving the earth's sphere as opposed to the Earth merely being popped out of orbit [FATIMA - Dancing of the Sun]. Once Gabriel's Sword is unleashed, not even MOTHER MARY can stop it.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/21/2007 1:17 Comments || Top||

#2  WTF?
Posted by: Danking70 || 04/21/2007 2:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Joe's in Code Mode. It's calling down a strike somewhere.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 2:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Anyone wanna loan me their Joe decoder ring?
Posted by: GK || 04/21/2007 2:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Personally I think Joe is asking "What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 3:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Joe, I can ease your worries... moon will not explode. We may encounter some other "problems", but moon exploding one is not on the list, at any point.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 4:40 Comments || Top||

#7  As for the other nasties, Joe, earth popping out of the orbit is not that big a deal. Or rather, small increases or decreases in orbit (say + - 20 days) would have a relatively mild effect by themselves. The event that would trigger the change, though, would have to be 7 to 9 ELE (scale of 10, 10 being total). So yea, in that context, the orbital change is rather unwelcome.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 4:51 Comments || Top||

#8  I am decoding incrementally. ;-)

Actually, Gabriel's Sword is a thing of the past. There was only one arc-angel "Gabriel" (or shall we say "Gabrielle"?) and she's presently tame. Of course, it is a human tendency to presume that what happened in the past--and especially if there was some degree of recurrence--would happen in the future. See Bible's Book of Revelation, that is a typical example--extrapolation of past events into future. Well, that story is long over, long enough that we got into another extreme, thinking that the current setup always was, is, will be.

And though the sight of the sword may have been spectacular and rather awesome to watch, its reach was only skin deep, so to speak--that means the lithosphere and localized track. Not a good thing to be in its path, I agree.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 5:09 Comments || Top||

#9  And that exploding nuclear waste dump on the far side of the moon 8 years ago? Don't worry about it; it never happened.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 04/21/2007 7:15 Comments || Top||

#10  I think the History Channel covered this several years ago. A little late in the 'news' category, both the event and the reportage.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/21/2007 9:12 Comments || Top||

#11  We've covered this already, haven't we?
Posted by: Kevin Costner || 04/21/2007 9:22 Comments || Top||

#12  Gotta Nuke Something....

/Nelson M.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:01 Comments || Top||

#13  And Al Gore didn't save them.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 17:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Nah....

God will get bored and switch off the simulation and then go have some tea.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/21/2007 18:29 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
African Anglican Bishops Support Mugabe
HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) - African Anglican bishops have issued a message to Zimbabweans that was broadly supportive of the government, sharply contrasting with an earlier call from Catholic leaders for President Robert Mugabe to step down.

An Anglican pastoral letter released to coincide with this week's independence celebrations acknowledged Zimbabwe's economic crisis "rendered the ordinary Zimbabwean unable to make ends meet."
Special place for them in hell ...
The 14 Anglican bishops blamed the worsening plight of poor Zimbabweans largely on Western economic sanctions. "So-called targeted sanctions aimed at the leadership of the country have affected the poor Zimbabweans who have borne the brunt of sanctions," the bishops said after a meeting of the central African Episcopal Synod.

The Anglican church has been traditionally muted in its criticism of the government, with its leaders generally toeing the ruling party line. Prominent among the signatories to Friday's Anglican letter was Harare Bishop Nolbert Kunonga, frequently praised in the state media for his "progressive sentiment." Kunonga has denounced some black clergy as "Uncle Toms" and puppets of whites and Britain and the United States for their criticism of Mugabe.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nowadays, Anglican bishop = loonie of the highest order, it seems. Not sure whether one has to be a loonie to become an Aglican bishop, or vice versa. may be a chicken and an egg problem.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 5:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Are these the same African bishops I keep hearing will save Anglicanism from the scary threat of gay guys holding hands?

So, narcissistic African bishops on the one hand and the Archdruid of Canterbury on the other. Time to go back to the Old Faith or take the pill and finally become Protestants people.
Posted by: Excalibur || 04/21/2007 7:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Are these the same African bishops I keep hearing will save Anglicanism from the scary threat of gay guys holding hands?

Exactly why when I left the Episcopal Church I didn't go to the AAC (American Anglican Communion), because they're aligned with these guys. Even those churches within the Anglican Communion that are conservative on social issues are way too political on international issues - downright anti-semitic to boot.
Posted by: xbalanke || 04/21/2007 12:13 Comments || Top||

#4  I was raised Episcopalian (Catholic light) but the sheer bullshit you're supposed to just accept, turned me away from all religions, they're all designed for power, control, an money, not a damn one of them has any other purpose.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:24 Comments || Top||

#5  A refusal to condemn Mugabe should brand such cretins as fellow scum. May they all rot in the Hell they so often preach about.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 13:07 Comments || Top||

#6  No- in this instance, they're being Black Africann. There's more than enough evidence in the blogs by otherwise highly educated and successful Africans, whose mindset is exactly that of the bishops.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/21/2007 20:13 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Zia sets new demands before exile
DHAKA - Bangladesh’s last prime minister Khaleda Zia has asked the military-backed government to immediately free her son and allow her one last party meeting before she leaves for exile, a report said Friday. Zia ‘has been trying to delay the departure as the government is yet to settle some issues including her demand that her son Tareque be allowed to go with her,’ a family source told the leading New Age newspaper.
Just go already!
The interim military-backed government is forcing Zia, leader of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), out of the country as part of a campaign to clean up the country’s dysfunctional and notoriously corrupt political system. Her arch-rival, Awami League leader Shaikh Hasina Wajed, has also been barred from returning to the country from holiday. Many blame the two harridans women for the political turmoil that led to the imposition of emergency rule in January and the cancellation of elections later that month.

A deal for her to leave for Saudi Arabia quietly reportedly involves authorities showing leniency for her two sons, who face corruption and extortion allegations as part of the interim government’s crackdown. Her elder son Tareque Rahman, however, is still behind bars.
"Ma! Ya still comin' to git me, ain'tcha Ma?!"
‘The government is yet to fulfil another of her demands to allow her to meet some senior BNP leaders to settle how the party would be run in her absence,’ the source told the paper.
Much like Capone tried to run Chicago from prison ...
But the Daily Star newspaper said Zia was expected to meet her elder son on Friday at Dhaka central jail before possibly flying out of the country later in the day. ‘Khaleda along with her younger son, two daughters-in-law and three grandchildren might fly for Saudia Arabia on Friday,’ a source told the newspaper.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Petition Filed in Court to Block Harridan's Exile
A supporter of former Bangladesh Prime Minister Khaleda Zia lodged a petition in court yesterday to block efforts by the army-backed government to send her into exile. Babul Chowdhury, a member of a front organization of Khaleda’s Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), filed the writ in the High Court saying it was a human rights violation to force her to leave the country or “put her under house arrest.” Khaleda has been under virtual confinement at her home for nearly two weeks.

Sources in the army-backed interim government and Khaleda’s party said earlier this week she had entered a deal with authorities to go abroad in return for dealing leniently with her jailed elder son and political heir apparent Tareque Rahman.

Reports said that under the same deal authorities released Khaleda’s younger son Arafat Rahman just 24 hours after he was detained. But on Wednesday Khaleda’s close associates said she had changed her mind and now wanted to stay in Bangladesh. The high court said it would examine and rule on the writ on Sunday.

Analysts said Khaleda’s decision to fight to stay in the country may have been encouraged by her rival Hasina Wajed’s determination to return to Bangladesh against government orders. Hasina, herself a former prime minister, arrived in London yesterday from a private visit to the United States and will fly home to Dhaka early on Monday, officials of her Awami League party said. Hasina has vowed to defy the government’s bar on her return to the country. She said that “nothing would stop” her return to participate in elections and defend herself against charges of murder and extortion.
Posted by: Fred || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
50% Good News Is the Bad News in Russian Radio
At their first meeting with journalists since taking over Russia’s largest independent radio news network, the managers had startling news of their own: from now on, they said, at least 50 percent of the reports about Russia must be “positive.”

In addition, opposition leaders could not be mentioned on the air and the United States was to be portrayed as an enemy, journalists employed by the network, Russian News Service, say they were told by the new managers, who are allies of the Kremlin.

...“This is not the U.S.S.R., when every print or broadcasting outlet was preliminarily censored,” Masha Lipman, a researcher at the Carnegie Moscow Center, said in a telephone interview.

Instead, the tactic has been to impose state ownership on media companies and replace editors with those who are supporters of Mr. Putin...

Posted by: Dave D. || 04/21/2007 14:59 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Vow, sounds much like french MSM.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 04/21/2007 15:15 Comments || Top||


Europe
EU to renew sanctions against Myanmar
BRUSSELS - European Union foreign ministers will next week renew sanctions against Myanmar’s military regime, which restrict travel by officials and prevent investment there, an EU official said on Friday. The sanctions, originally introduced in 1996 after Yangon failed to meet EU demands for greater democracy, will be “rolled over” with agreement of all 27 members but without debate when EU foreign ministers meet in Luxembourg on Monday for a regular get-together, the official said.

The EU notably wants Myanmar to free opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, to launch a national dialogue for reconciliation and end human rights abuses.
Sanctions are working about as well as those for Zim-bob-we and Darfur ...
“The European Union does not see any progress made,” by the regime, the official said, adding that “there are continuing concerns over human rights”.
And since the sanctions aren't producing any results, they must be continued. Brilliant, you Y'urp-peons, simply brilliant.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Italy's Prodi says he will not run again after term ends
Italian Premier Romano Prodi said Friday he would not run again for office when his term ends in 2011, asserting that the country needs "other leaders." Prodi's center-left coalition won a five-year term in April 2006 elections.

Speaking at the Rome congress of the centrist Margherita, or Daisy party, one of his largest coalition partners, Prodi said that "at the end of the legislature my work will be done."

The premier did not say if he would run again if his term ended early. The center-left's win gave Prodi only a thin majority in parliament and he has been struggling to keep the coalition's fractious parties, which range from Communists to pro-Vatican centrists, together.

Last month, Prodi resigned briefly and was forced to seek a new confidence vote after some far-leftist allies refused to back the government in a vote on Italy's military mission in Afghanistan and other foreign policy. A repeat of the crisis could lead to early elections.

Prodi made his comments at what is a closely watched political event that is laying the groundwork for a merger between the Margherita and the Democrats of the Left, the largest party in the center-left. Prodi has been pushing for the creation of the new group, the Democratic Party, to help simplify a political system characterized by a high number of parties and create more stability in the country.

Attending the Margherita congress was former Premier Silvio Berlusconi, who heads the center-right opposition.
Posted by: Fred || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The only good communist is a retired (with prejudice) communist...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 04/21/2007 1:18 Comments || Top||

#2  asserting that the country needs "other leaders."

Finally figured it out, well, better late than never.
Posted by: DMFD || 04/21/2007 1:19 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Canadian Broadcasting does a little fauxtoshopping
Hat tip Ace of Spades...the CBC illustrated a Kyoto story with a picture in which someone changed a nice blue sky to a stinky brown miasma emanating from smokestacks that were demolished last year.
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully Soros' money will dry up before too long and we can stop with the environMENTALism.
Posted by: badanov || 04/21/2007 0:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Did it look like this?

Posted by: DMFD || 04/21/2007 1:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
American Patriots - CIA Officers Spent 20 Years In PRC Prisons
Below is an excerpt. It's a long, impressive article.
On a crisp spring morning in 1973 a pale and emaciated man made his way slowly across the Lo Wu bridge from China into Hong Kong. A British soldier at the frontier post saluted him as he approached. This was, the man later reflected, “the first act of dignity shown to him in 20 years”.

His name was Jack Downey. He was a CIA agent, and since 1952 he and a colleague, Richard Fecteau, had languished in a Chinese prison, often in solitary confinement, secret hostages in the Cold War between the US and China.

The capture, imprisonment and eventual release of these two CIA agents is one of the most extraordinary and poignant tales in the history of espionage. Some of the material relating to their captivity remains classified but 34 years after Downey stumbled to freedom the CIA has finally allowed an official agency historian access to its most secret files.

The Downey-Fecteau case, revealed last week in the CIA’s Journal of the American Intelligence Professional, is a story of suffering, endurance and ordinary individuals trapped and manipulated by geopolitics. With the recent Iranian hostage drama, the story has remarkable contemporary resonance, but with one signal difference. The British soldiers were held in Iran for 13 days, and some made a small fortune by selling their stories after their release. Downey and Fecteau — both of whom are still living —never told their story to the media, and never made a penny out of it.

In 1952, Downey and Fecteau had both recently graduated from university, Downey from Yale, and Fecteau from Boston. Downey, 22, had joined the CIA in 1951.

Fecteau, recently married for the second time, was 24, and had been a CIA agent for only a few months. Both were about to embark on their first operational mission, which would also be their last.

In June of that year, the US had parachuted five ethnic Chinese agents into Manchuria on a mission to destabilise the Communist regime by linking up with local anti-government forces and carrying out guerrilla operations.

The team, which Downey had helped to train, made radio contact in November, reporting that they had obtained important documents and wanted one of the team to be picked up by “air snatch”. This risky procedure for aerial pick-up involved flying an aircraft at low altitude and hooking a line stretched between two aluminium poles. “The line was connected to a harness in which the agent was strapped,” writes the CIA historian Nicholas Dujmovic. “Once airborne the man was to be winched into the aircraft.”

On November 29 a C47 US transport plane set off from the Korean peninsular: at the controls were pilots Norman Schwartz and Robert Snoddy; manning the winch were Downey and Fecteau. With the Korean War at its height, both men knew the perils of Operation Tropic. They did not know they were flying into a trap.

Unknown to their handlers, the Chinese agents had been captured soon after landing, “doubled” in spy parlance, and were being used to lure the CIA into an ambush. At around midnight, having received the correct torch signal from the ground, the pilots swooped low over the rendezvous point in the Manchurian foothills, where two poles had been erected and a man in harness appeared to be waiting for the pick-up.

At exactly the moment when the plane should have hooked its agent, two anti-aircraft guns, camouflaged in the snow by white sheets, opened fire at the cockpit. The pilots were killed, the engines cut out, and the plane crash-landed among some trees, breaking apart on impact. Downey and Fecteau, secured by harnesses, survived unhurt, and staggered out of the wreckage to find themselves surrounded by whooping Chinese troops.

With impressive understatement, Downey remarked to his partner that they were now in “a hell of a mess”.
Much more at the link.
Posted by: mrp || 04/21/2007 07:23 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Charles McCarry might have based an incident in his novel The Last Supper on the experiences of these men. A stunning sacrifice on their part.
Posted by: Jonathan || 04/21/2007 12:20 Comments || Top||

#2  True Iron Men.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 14:29 Comments || Top||


Rutgers team skips Clinton meeting
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton met Friday with Rutgers women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer, and proclaimed that Rutgers "has a chance to be the leader of this teachable moment" on standing up to discrimination and marginalization.

Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, asked people across the nation to take what she called "the Rutgers pledge." "Will you be willing to speak up and say, 'Enough is enough,' when women or minorities or the powerless are marginalized or degraded?" Clinton said in her speech to about 700 people at a university forum on women and public leadership. "Will you say there's no place , if there ever was, there certainly isn't now , for disrespect or bigotry to be seen as funny?"
Sounds alot like the 'Group of 88' on the Duke campus. Funny how this stuff gets recycled.
The event celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Eagleton Institute of Politics and the 35th anniversary of the institute's Center for American Women and Politics.

Referring to Stringer and her players, Clinton said, "They are living, human markers of our progress in this country, how far we have come, and how much farther we have to go together."

"She and her players have shown us the difference between bravery and bravado," Clinton said.

Clinton said she met Friday morning with Stringer, as well as assistant women's basketball coach Marianne Stanley. Both attended the speech but neither appeared on stage with Clinton.

Stringer issued a statement later in the day that said only, "I have long been an admirer of Hillary Clinton. It was a pleasure to meet her in person and talk about the issues."
Translation: I'm not going out in public with that nasty woman.
Clinton was not scheduled to meet with players, most of whom were studying Friday morning, the university said.

"I was so moved by the extraordinary grace and dignity of the coach and the athletes that I wanted to meet Coach Vivian Stringer," Clinton said. "These players and their coaches have taken a truly ugly situation and transformed it into a transcendent one. That's real leadership."

Clinton praised Stringer and the team for not walking away from a fight, and for conducting themselves with class in doing so. "They could have said, `Ah, forget it. We hear those things in music, on radio, on cable. We won't dignify it with a response,'" Clinton said. "It would have been a perfectly justifiable reaction. But when do we say, `Enough?' This moment is that opportunity."

Clinton also said she has some experience with media personalities using her hair and appearance as on-air material. "I have been called some names I'd be embarrassed to repeat in public," she said with a laugh. "My hairstyles and fashion choices provide endless fodder for public discussion and dissection."
As opposed to being called a drunk, a drug user, and stoopid like the current President has endured. And more. Gee, lady, yer breaking my heart.
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#1  Wel-l-l-l, YOUTUBE > ANN COULTER shows that Bill Clinton is a homosexual???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/21/2007 0:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Some are more equal than others. ya know...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 04/21/2007 1:16 Comments || Top||

#3  what a pandering sleeze
Posted by: Captain America || 04/21/2007 1:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Cut her some slack Captain, tought living up to being named after Edmund Hillary.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 2:40 Comments || Top||

#5  what a pandering sleeze

I was thinking fuzzy-headed ho' myself.
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 3:15 Comments || Top||

#6  More evidence that I-man got it wrong calling them "ho's" -- this is an unmistakable pimp slap to ol' thunder thighs.
Posted by: regular joe || 04/21/2007 8:10 Comments || Top||

#7  "My hairstyles and fashion choices provide endless fodder for public discussion and dissection."

And the kankles. Don't forget the kankles!
Posted by: Raj || 04/21/2007 9:18 Comments || Top||

#8  Sounds like maybe the Virginia Tech massacre taught the Rutgers women what's really important, but that somehow Hillary skipped that lesson.
Posted by: Glenmore || 04/21/2007 9:58 Comments || Top||

#9  tough living up to being named after Edmund Hillary.

Especially when she was born in 1947 and he climbed Everest in 1953.
Posted by: Steve || 04/21/2007 10:29 Comments || Top||

#10  It was a different Edmund Hillary, the Springfield Lawyer....

;)
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:11 Comments || Top||

#11  I agree entirely, Enough is enough, now get the hell off stage, leave politics, aand vanish into the obscurity deserving of a wife of a faithless Ex-President.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:29 Comments || Top||


Biden: GOP to blame for ... everything!
Sen. Joe Biden, a Democratic Party candidate for president in 2008, on Thursday blamed the Republicans for the Virginia Tech killings and a string of events that have made news in the past few years. Speaking at Al Sharpton's National Socialist Action Network event in New York, Biden said President Bush, Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove are responsible for what he called "the politics of polarization."
Much better were the 60s and 70s when Democrats could slander Republicans, who stood there and took it. This turnabout game is unfair.
Biden said Republicans have created an environment that brings bad things to the United States.
That would make a good jingle:
GOP, we bring bad things to light!

"I would argue, since 1994 with the Gingrich revolution, just take a look at Iraq, Venezuela, Katrina, what's gone down at Virginia Tech, Darfur, Imus. Take a look. This didn't happen accidentally, all these things," he said.
And Iran
UFOs
the new Ice Age Global Warming Climate Change.
Enron
New Coke
Disco
Cancellation of Smile
Disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa
the Pontiac Aztek
I leave anything out?

This is not the first time Biden has said something idioticoutlandish.
Now you know why he plagiarizes.
He may have plagiarized this from HuffPo or FireDogLake. You never know.
In a February interview with the New York Observer, Biden questioned the credentials of Sen. Barack Obama, a first-term-senator, who is also running for president. Biden called him "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." This did not sit well with many African-Americans, including Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, both of whom have run for president in the past.
And wanted to run again if only to collect some money and live the good life for a while. Thanks Barack.
During a 2006 conversation with an Indian-American political activist, Biden said: "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking."
No, but you are a joke.
During his first presidential bid in 1987, Biden told one New Hampshire voter who questioned his law school grades that: "I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do."
Orp! And to think that in the 80s I considered voting for this guy.
Posted by: Jackal || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Much better were the 60s and 70s when Democrats could slander Republicans

Things have shifted since the 50s. Both parties have moved to the left, with the Republicans taking over the Democrats spot and the Democrats blindly following the yellow dog that has their party name painted on its butt.
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 1:24 Comments || Top||

#2  What? nothing about cow farts?
Posted by: Captain America || 04/21/2007 1:25 Comments || Top||

#3  the Pontiac Aztek

The moment I first saw it, I thought it can't get any worse than that.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 5:56 Comments || Top||

#4  The moment I first saw it, I thought it can't get any worse than that.

It can. I have a friend who owned one. It broke down every five minutes and would usually take forever to fix.
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 6:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Joe is a case study for shallower hair plugs - methinks they drilled too deep. If you put your ear up to his head, you can hear the ocean
Posted by: Frank G || 04/21/2007 9:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/21/2007 9:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Isn't Joe that Copperhead from the former slave state of Delaware? The one doubling his money with matching funds? Yep, that's him.
Posted by: Flinenter the Great8697 || 04/21/2007 9:56 Comments || Top||

#8  "I would argue, since 1994 with the Gingrich revolution, just take a look at Iraq, Venezuela, Katrina, what's gone down at Virginia Tech, Darfur, Imus. Take a look. This didn't happen accidentally, all these things," he said.

I wonder if he really believes that, or if he's simply trying to gun for the nutroots vote. If he believes it, he seriously needs a nice long trip to a nuthouse.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 04/21/2007 10:10 Comments || Top||

#9  "Sen. Joe Biden, a Democratic Party candidate for president in 2008..."

This dimwitted mucoid is running for President again????? How many of these drooling Epsilon-Minus Submorons have the Donks got, for cryin' out loud????

"Joe is a case study for shallower hair plugs - methinks they drilled too deep."

ROFL!!!!

Posted by: Dave D. || 04/21/2007 10:27 Comments || Top||

#10  Gun mann Chow would have greatest American president in future, to intiate ne w wars in middle east and else where,, , and gum man like chow are the product of American gun and crime culture, and sad for all the deaths, but Gunman Chow would have been a great American soldier and a marine, to do the blood shed in Irak and else where, In american army there are so many Gunman CHOWS, who are professional killers by the product of american agressive gun and porverity and suffering, and the anwser to find is in American army or do killing of innocent in school and unvercities,, American children of frusration of american culture, are inventers od unjustful wars and Abugarib prison attrocities, and proud to kill, to be happy and the destiny, CHOW is no different, than yet Greater CHOW the president of united States, whose hands are full of blood of innocent, So many AMERICAN CHOWS are killing the irakis in sadre city and Baghdad, ny AMERICAN CHOWS; DOING THE PROXY BOMBING AND KILLING OF INNOCENT WHO DONT LIKE AMERICAN ACCUPATION; Aftwer American CHOWS in IRAK are BOMBING BY SECRET PROXY BOMBING; AND KILLING SO MANY CITIZENS; AND LATTER CLAIMING THE TERRORISTS HAVE BOMBED AND YET CREATING THE CONFUSION AND CIVIL WAR ; TO MAKE ANS LIEING EXCUSE TO STAY LONGER IN IRAK;; AMERCAN CHOWS ARE THE PART OF THE PROBLEM IN IRAK; BUT NEVER A SOLUTION; IRAKIS CAN GOVERN THEM SELVE; WITHOUT AMERICAN KILLER CHOWS;THESE AMERICAN KILLER CHOSY LIES TO ATTACT IRAK; LIED AT ABU GARIB PRISON; DID PARTICIPATE IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES AND BLAMED OTHERS ON MEDIS; KILL ALL ANTI AMERICAN IRAKI SOLDIERS AND POLICE MEN IN IRAK; AND BLAMED OTHERS FOR IT; WHY SOME ONE DOESENT RAISE A BIG SOME OF MILLION DOLLERS ; AND REWARD ; TO AMERCAN SOLDIER; WHO OPENES THE SECRET HOW AMERICAN ARE AND CIA; INFILTRATES LIKE TRERRORISTS TO DO THE PROXY KILLINGS; AMERICAN LIES; THE TRUTH IS SECRET; THAT WORLD REMAIN INNOCENT; AND SUSPECTS AMERICA; YET STUDENT CHOW WAS HONEST A PRODUCT OF AMERICAN ARROGANCE; WOULD BE MORE HONEST AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR SOLDIER; NOR LIES LIKE PRESIDENT BUSH; WHO HAS KILLED SO MANY SINCE HIS POLITICAL OFFICE IN TEXAS; AL TIL HIS PRESIDENCY; A KILLER PRESIDENT WHO ENJOYS KILLING AND MAKES LIVING BY THE WAR; AND MASSACRES;
pRESIDENT BUSH THOUGHT AND SAID LIKE MANY TIMES BEFORE; THAT THESE 32 GREAT AMERICAN STUDENTS AT VIRGINIA TECH DIED FOR A NOBLER CAUSE; AND GUNMANN CHOW A PSYCHIC SIMILAR TO PRISIDENT; DID THE JOB OR MISSION FOR HIGHIER MISSION THAT MANY AMERICAN DONT UNDERSTAND ;SIMILAT TO WHAT AMERICANS DONT UNDERSTANT THE WAR IN IRAK; FOR A NOBLER CAUSE; PRESIDENT BUSH DOES UNDERSTAND GUNMAN CHO BETTER; BUT WOULDENT SAY IT OPENLY; :IF ONE LOOKS AT THE GUNMAN CHO AND BUSHES; THEY HAVE VERY SIMILARITIES IN LOOK AS FAR AS LIPS AND COLD LOOK; DEEP INSISE BUSH WAS CHO MODEL FIGURE; AND ROLMODEL;hE WOULD HAVE BECOME SECOND TO BUSH BEST WAR PRESIDENT;; THERE ARE SO MANY MASSES LIKE GUNMAN CHO IN ARMY ; IN AMERICAM CONGRESS; IN AMERICAN SOCIETY; AND AMERICAN MEDIA; IN PANTAGON AND CIA; COMPARE GUNMAN CHO WITH RUMSFELD; ;AMERICAN AMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE FOUND THE GUNMAN CHO EARLIER AND SEND HIM TO IRAK; LIKE MANY OTHERS; JUST LIKE MANY HOMOCIDE MURDERERS ARE FREED IN IRAK BATTLEFIELD: TO DO KILLINGS TO BE HAPPY AND BLAMING ON THE ANTIAMERICANINSUGENTS;;;
THERE WILL SOON DEGRIDATION IN AMERICA DUE TO THE WAR AND IT BITTER REALITIES; AND PEOPLE WILL BE FRUSTRATED AND FEEL EMPTY AND IN RESULT INVENTS ONE MORE GUNMAN CHO TO BREAK ALL THE FORMER RECORDS OF KILLING MORE AMERICANS; AS SACRIFISE THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA MORE VULNURABLE TO START NEW WARS TO KEEP ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE REAL AMERICAN HOME PROBLEMS; TO FRUSTRATE AMERICAN; TO GIVE BIRTH YET TO ANOTHER AND MORE CRAZIER GUNMAN CHO WHO WILL MAKE AMERICA FAMOUSE ;JUST LIKE GUNMAN PRESIDENT BUSH MADE AMERICA SO DISGUSTING DUE TO THE DIRTY IRAKI WAR BASED ON LIES AND HATE AND FOR THE CONTROLE OF OIL; WELL I AND MANY FEEL VERY SORRY ABOUT THE ALL THE YET §" INNOCENT STUDENTS ; THERE ONLY FAULT WAS THAT THEY BELIEVED IN AMERICA; BUT NOT THE HORRER THE OTHER AMERICAN ARE CAUSINT TO REST OF THE WORLD AND TO THE POOR AND PEACE LOVENG AMERICAN AT HOME; GUN AND THE WARYS ARE WAR OF ADVANCED LIVING IN AMERICA; AND THEY ARE FORCING IT ON THE REST OF THE WORLD;
PROBABLY THE PRESIDENT BUSH AND GUNMAN CHOW MEANT THAT THESE INNOCENT MURDERED STUDENTS THEY DIED FOR THE HIGHER AND NOBLER CAUSE; ; IDONT UNDERSTAND; BUT I AM TRIENG TO FIND WHAT MANY AND PRESIDENT THINKS; OR THE GUNMAN CHO THOUGHT; THAT THESE §! INNOCENT STUDENTS IF SURVIVED WOULD HAVE DESERTED THE THE AMERICAN ARMY OR MARIENS; IN CASE OF A DRAFT; OR OR JUST IN CASE THEY WOULD HAVE GONE IRAK THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED MILLIONS OF IRAKIS IN IRAK AND FEEL PROUD ABOUT IT;; THERE ARE SO MANY CONRIVARCIES; CAUSE D BY BUSHES COWARDNESS AND HIS STUBBORNESS AND FOR NOT ADMITTING THE WRONGS AND LIES AND THE HATE OF HIS ANEMIES;;
THESE DEAT INNOCENT STUDENTS BEING SHOT AND KILLED IS SO SAD; REMINDS MANY AMERICAN AND OTHERS OF SOMEONE IN SIMILAR SITUATION WHO WAS ONCE AMERICAN FRIEND: THE SADAM HUSAIN AT THE GALLOS OF DEATH BY YET ANOTHE GUNMAN CHO CHARACTERED PRESIDENT BUSH; BUT THE INNOCEN DIE; BY THE HANDS OF COWBOYS AND CRIMINALS; HOW MUCH SACRIFIES AMERICA HAS TO GIVE FOR THE WRONG DEFINITIONS AND FOR THE WRONF DIRECTIONS;; ;AS LONG AMERICANS ARE PROUD OF THIER WRONG AMERICAN ARROGANCE; TO SHUN THE HELPLESS WORLD AND TO DICTATE THE DEFENCELESS WORLD; THE HUNGRY WORLD; AGAINST THE MASSES WHO WANT TO BE FREE FROM AMERICAM BYCOTTS AND ECONOMIC SACTIONS; AND AMERICAN SUPPORTING WHO FEEL PROUDE ABOUT WHATR BLOOD STAINED PRESIDENT IS DOING ; THERE IS HIGHER JUSTICE FROM THE HIEGHIER POWER TO SHUN AND PUNISH AMERICANS AND GANG WHO SUPPORT THE KILLING AND AGRESSION ARROUND THE WORLD ; TO BECOME SELFSTILLED POLICEMAN OF THE WORLD TO DICTATAT THE WORLD; PEOPLE ESPACIALLY INNOCENT AMERICAN WILL HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE; FOR THE SINS OF AMERICAN WAGBOND PRESIDENT WHO CHARACTER NP DIFFERENT THE GUNMAN CHO;
Posted by: Spike Glinemp7918 || 04/21/2007 10:59 Comments || Top||

#11  Joe! You okay buddy?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:13 Comments || Top||

#12  You are forgot about PAKISTANI CELL PHONE VIRUS!
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:15 Comments || Top||

#13  Gawd. That comment needs to be kept in a Classic Cage.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:16 Comments || Top||

#14  Hmmm... looks like the computer at the Orderlies Station needs to be password-protected...
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/21/2007 11:29 Comments || Top||

#15  Whoa, baby... what network will he be sending his video to?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/21/2007 11:36 Comments || Top||

#16  I think you forgot to turn off your caps lock, hun.
Posted by: trailing daughter #1 || 04/21/2007 12:00 Comments || Top||

#17  ????? How many of these drooling Epsilon-Minus Submorons have the Donks got, for cryin' out loud????

Way too many, sometimes it seems like the entire Dem party is nuts, at other times there's no doubt, the whole party IS Bughouse Crazy.

This is happening more and more lately, in fact it's becoming a regular feature, no longer a bug that pops up infrequently, but the main program feature.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:12 Comments || Top||

#18  Heard the latest anti-Bush Crap?
They're blaming the Virginia Shooting on Bush

"Because He allowed the Ban on Large ammo magazines to expire under the Sunset Laws, He's responsible for the people being shot multiple times"

Bat shit crazy, the lot of them.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/21/2007 12:41 Comments || Top||

#19  Biden: GOP to blame for ... everything!

Does that mean they're to blame for you, Sen.?
Posted by: xbalanke || 04/21/2007 12:56 Comments || Top||

#20  #10 ain't Joe, itsa Troll.

I tell ya, ya gotta read Joe more carefully! That ain't him!
Posted by: Bobby || 04/21/2007 15:39 Comments || Top||

#21  Spike lay off that Canadian beer buddy.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 17:22 Comments || Top||

#22  Joe would never talk like thatr.
Posted by: RD || 04/21/2007 22:23 Comments || Top||

#23  Bush Derangement Syndrome coming soon to a Democratic platform near you.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 22:39 Comments || Top||

#24  soon? Wasn't this a "this date in history" thing?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/21/2007 22:56 Comments || Top||

#25  I'm talking about a general party policy upon which they base their run for the presidency. The Democrats are out of control. The republicans have precious few months to highlight just how irrational this group of appeasing traitors is. If they cannot do this, they will have knowingly lost the election every bit as much as the Democrats will have accidentally won it.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 23:50 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
No deal, no alliance
President General Pervez Musharraf on Friday rejected that the government had any deal in place with the Pakistan People’s Party and announced that elections would be held this year in a fair manner. In an interview with Arabic TV channel ‘Al-Arabia’, the president said, “There’s no deal at all ... no alliance, no deal.” He said elections would be held by the year’s end in a transparent manner, and political action could be considered after viewing the outcome. “I will not remove the uniform till the election because I have been constitutionally allowed to remain as president and Chief of the Army Staff till the end of the year,” he added.

The president said parliament had decided with two-thirds majority that he could keep the two offices at the same time. He said, “The elections will take place this year and we will follow the Constitution.”

The president said Pakistan was against nuclear proliferation and believed in the use of nuclear technology for peaceful means. He said, “We will not allow any force in the world to destabilize Pakistan or to challenge its existence.”

Referring to US doubting Pakistan’s contribution in the war against terror, Musharraf said the media misreported it. He said the two countries had excellent relations. “We [Pakistan and US] have excellent intelligence, strategic and operational cooperation, “ he added. He said there was complete understanding between him and President Bush.
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Olde Tyme Religion
Pope says unbaptized babies can go to heaven
Pope Benedict XVI has reversed centuries of traditional Roman Catholic teaching on so-called limbo, approving a Vatican report released Friday that says there were "serious" grounds to hope that children who die without being baptized can go to heaven.

Theologians said the move was highly significant - both for what it says about Benedict's willingness to buck a long-standing tenet of Catholic belief and for what it means theologically about the Church's views on heaven, hell and original sin - the sin that the faithful believe all children are born with.
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#1  cool, and collect $200
Posted by: Captain America || 04/21/2007 1:26 Comments || Top||

#2  So, no purgatory for the faultless babes. That ranks right up there with the earth orbiting the sun. Whoop-tee-fucking-doo.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 1:58 Comments || Top||

#3  original sin - the sin that the faithful believe all children are born with

One of the greatest abominations that was ever created in the mind of man. Man is perfectable, elsewise the concept of heaven could not possibly exist.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 2:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Aw, come on, Zen....humans are perfectable? That sounds like the mythology all Utopian scenarios are built upon, and we know where all those roads have led eventually. It's usually Hell on Earth as some "benevolent" dictator gets rid of the imperfect specimens.

I may be incorrect, but I don't recall heaven being reserved for the perfect, merely the good, decent and/or righteous. You can be all three without being perfect.

Humans simply aren't perfectable. Besides, perfect is boring! Our faults, eccentricities and quirks make us interesting. ;)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 04/21/2007 2:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Zen, Man is NOT perfectible. I've seen too many of them, I know better. I've also read my history of those who believe that "Man is can be Perfected on Earth" as well - eugenicists, Nazis, Communists, etc.

Uniformly bad results.

The difference is theologically speaking that Original Sin does exist, but it was extinguished on the Cross (along with fulfillment of the original Abrahamic Covenant). What this is, is a reading that goes back to the early church, in that someone that is incapable of sins of the will, will have the stain of original sin removed by baptism due to Jesus' sacrifice. And "baptism of intent" is enough to cover these souls. It all comes when the soul has to come to face its maker and say "I believe", or "I deny you". Free will.

Heaven is for the contrite and forgiven - being good isn't good enough, we all sin. How do you fix that breach between your imperfections and the perfection of God? All you have to do is ask! Honestly confess your sins to God, ALL of them, as way of acknowledging them and they will be forgiven if they are offered up in true contrition and reconciliation.

As we teach in Catechism class: God's capacity to forgive us FAR exceeds our capability to sin.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/21/2007 3:45 Comments || Top||

#6  People are not perfectible. Improvable? Absolutely! I have ever this hope for my very own self. But, perfection is not possible so long as biochemistry is part of the equation, and probably not even were we to become encoded in the universe's raw energy, given the unavoidable fact of entropy. I don't hold with the doctrine of original sin, and I figure I'll find out the details of the afterlife when I get there -- or not as the case may be -- but I don't give myself the 100% chance of failure of striving after an impossible-for-those-with-free-will perfection. I read somewhere that God's angels are perfect, but only so long as they have no free will of their own, being merely instruments of God's will. I've no way of knowing if that's true, but it certainly gave me pause.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/21/2007 7:34 Comments || Top||

#7  I assume this also applies to an unbaptized fœtus.
Posted by: Excalibur || 04/21/2007 7:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Via Amy Welborn's site, Zadok The Roman casts a professional eye on the matter here.
Posted by: mrp || 04/21/2007 8:45 Comments || Top||

#9  However the new and improved modern sin is that you are born upon mother Gaia and pollute her kingdom and the only salvation lies upon the Red Green world of the Apostles of Gore.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/21/2007 9:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Man Ima still trying to come up with an Original Sin, I came close with the bong, the mullet and the left ear, but I found out later it had been done back in 1374.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/21/2007 11:19 Comments || Top||

#11  Growing up, I always thought of limbo as heaven with no television.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/21/2007 11:41 Comments || Top||

#12  Ifn ya stop to think about it, if things had turned out as God wanted we's all be runnin' around the Garden of Eden nekkid as aigs with narry a care in the world. Dang, why'd they have to eat that apple?
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 04/21/2007 13:46 Comments || Top||

#13  Humans simply aren't perfectable. Besides, perfect is boring! Our faults, eccentricities and quirks make us interesting.

The philosophy of Zen makes reference to the “charismatic imperfection of man”. I fail to see where “eccentricities and quirks” need be sinful or malign in nature. If we limit our personal faults to those which harm only ourselves is that such a disgrace? I agree that our idiosyncrasies give us delightful individuality but still maintain that we must hold ideals as worthy of striving for. Happily settling for second best is the highway to hell.

Man is NOT perfectible. I've seen too many of them, I know better.

While I deeply respect your own well-taken positions, OldSpook, I think we can safely agree that your career has forced you into contact with some of humanity’s most flawed specimens. Just as in how one cannot prove a negative, none of us can comprehensively state in provable terms that mankind is unalterably flawed. Yes, our bodies are not immortal and must eventually fail us, but that in no way prevents the spirit from seeking and finding purity.

being good isn't good enough, we all sin.

It is impossible for me to believe that not once in all earth’s history has there ever existed a blameless person. In fact, the overall conduct of mankind must be, in the majority, good otherwise our cumulative evil would have erased us from this world centuries before now.

Long ago, neither before God was even consciously conceived of nor Jesus born on earth, there had to have existed some of those blameless folk. Shall they be condemned to everlasting Hell solely due to their personal ignorance of God? Eternally damned despite their having lived a pure life? This is something I refuse to imagine. Furthermore, if there is a God, that being is a loving, forgiving and tolerant spirit which could not possibly be of such shallow or fragile ego as to resent one whose soul is pure but ignorant of His existence.

How do you fix that breach between your imperfections and the perfection of God?

You bridge that gulf by holding ideals as a standard, even if they are unreachable, they must be held nonetheless. Goodness must be chosen over cruelty. Mercy over brutality. Justice over prejudice. With or without God, each of us can uplift ourselves while bearing witness to the splendor and dignity of human life. To insist that only through some arbitrary conduit such as a priest or church can man thereby redeem himself is to deny man’s ability to bring his world to order or conduct himself with righteousness.

God's capacity to forgive us FAR exceeds our capability to sin.

This must be so or else such a petty and vengeful deity would long ago have tired of His creation’s human errors and vanquished the lot of us.

People are not perfectible. Improvable? Absolutely! I have ever this hope for my very own self. But, perfection is not possible so long as biochemistry is part of the equation, and probably not even were we to become encoded in the universe's raw energy, given the unavoidable fact of entropy.

Which is why I fully recognized the mortality of our material bodies but still hold that our spirits must strive for perfection. Indeed, if our spirits were created by the hand of God, must not there then be the seed of perfection in us? How could God knowingly create a hopelessly flawed being? I cheerfully admit that many people somehow manage to willfully ignore the need to do good in this world. This in no way eliminates any and all possibility of us attaining our ideals.

Pursuit of the ideal is a core element of optimism. That eternal hopefulness is a fundamental component of love. It is the love of all that is good which invalidates pessimism or cynical thought. This is what has allowed the human spirit to flourish through the ages with such abundant genius and creativity.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 13:59 Comments || Top||

#14  What about kittens?
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 17:13 Comments || Top||

#15  They're for pussies to worry about.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 18:18 Comments || Top||

#16  LOL, thanks Zen!
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 18:27 Comments || Top||

#17  How could God knowingly create a hopelessly flawed being?

If we were born perfect, we'd be gods, too.
Posted by: mrp || 04/21/2007 18:49 Comments || Top||

#18  did someone call for a hopelessly flawed being? I was paged to the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: Frank G || 04/21/2007 20:36 Comments || Top||

#19  If we were born perfect, we'd be gods, too.

You are making an unmerited jump between optimising the human condition and existence of a supreme being. We need not aspire to God-like powers in the pursuit of spiritual perfection. What if God does not exist, what non-existent pinnacle would we be scaling? I merely maintain that mankind is capable of attaining a state of ideal awareness wherein the vast majority of its destructive inclinations are cast aside in the name of moral and ethical decency.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 21:56 Comments || Top||

#20  If you answer the call, there's hope for you yet, Frank.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 21:57 Comments || Top||

#21  my flaws are too large too ignore. Better to acknowledge and do better. No excuses
Posted by: Frank G || 04/21/2007 21:59 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Rival groups of Bhuddist monks clash
At least two Buddhist monks were injured Friday in a street clash in Cambodia's capital between two opposing groups of monks during a protest against Vietnam, which some monks accuse of suppressing religious freedom.

The demonstration march was made by some 40 monks, most of whom identified themselves as Khmer Krom, an ethnic Khmer minority people of Vietnam who inhabited the Mekong Delta area prior to the colonization of that area by Vietnamese settlers. The marchers were demanding relief from alleged religious suppression of Khmer Krom by Vietnamese authorities, and had hoped to deliver a protest letter to the Vietnamese Embassy but were dispersed by some 150 riot police. They then walked to the Royal Palace, where the clash occurred, and to the U.S. Embassy.

Marcher Lim Yuth, 23, his face bloody from a cut above his eye, said he was injured by an object thrown by a small group of Buddhist monks, still unidentified, during his group's peaceful march. It was unclear whether the Buddhist monks who clashed with the marchers acted on their own or under orders from above.

Khmers are the predominant ethnic group in Cambodia, accounting for approximately 90 percent of the country's 14 million people. The area of southern Vietnam where as many as 1 million ethnic Khmer reside is known in Cambodia as Kampuchea Krom. It was once part of Cambodia's territory but was made part of Vietnam by French colonial authorities in 1949.

Kampuchea Krom organizations and communities based in the region and abroad have long accused Vietnam of mistreating its ethnic Khmer minority.
Krom? They have Conan on their side?

Any chance we can get them directed towards southern Thailand and Malaysia?

Posted by: Jackal || 04/21/2007 16:34 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Note, no beheadings.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 18:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Everybody was Kung Foo fighting, those cats were fast as lightening!
Posted by: Natural Law || 04/21/2007 18:28 Comments || Top||


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Iran dam said to threaten Persepolis
It's from the time of ignorance before Mo's shining beacon, so what's the big deal? Just another pile of stones.
Iranian engineers began filling a new dam as archaeologists warned that its reservoir will flood newly discovered antiquities and could damage Iran's grandest site, the ancient Persian capital of Persepolis, The Associated Press reported.

At the inauguration ceremony, attended by Energy Ministry officials, pipes were opened for water to start flowing into an artificial lake created by the dam spanning the Sivand River, 520 miles south of the capital, Tehran. The lake's waters will be used to irrigate the area's farms.

Iranian state-run television said the dam was opened "on the order of the President" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but the hard-line Iranian leader did not attend the inauguration.

The launch was delayed for months to give international archaeological teams time to conduct excavations in the area of the planned reservoir after an appeal from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.

The work yielded significant discoveries such as a road believed to be the Royal Passage of the Achaemenids, a powerful dynasty in ancient Persia in the 6th century B.C., as well as an Achaemenid village with a cemetery and inhabited caves dating back 7,000 years.

Iranian intellectuals and activists condemned the Tehran government for going ahead with the dam, calling it a "stupidity."

Archaeologists say flooding from the dam will submerge the Royal Passage, which linked Persepolis to Susa, two capital cities in ancient Persia, as well as some of the 130 ancient sites along the Tang-e-Bolaghi, a mountain path that crosses the Sivand River.

There are also concerns that humidity, spreading through underground water from the dam, could damage nearby Persepolis.

The sprawling ruins, Greek for "City of Persians," are famed for the grand double stairway rising to a wide, terraced audience hall with 72 columns. Sacked by Alexander the Great about 330 B.C., the old city is visited by mlns every year, mostly Iranians but also foreigners.

Experts also worry about Pasargadae, an ancient capital built by Cyrus the Great sometime after 550 B.C. that holds his tomb.

Both Persepolis and Pasargadae, only 19 miles and 5 miles away from the dam, are on UNESCO's list of World Heritage Sites.

Iran's Islamic-oriented government has not shown much concern for cultural sites from the Persian era, unlike the country's more recent Muslim monuments.

The official IRNA news agency quoted Vice President Rahim Mashaei, who is also head of Iran's Cultural Heritage Organization, as saying Thursday that the "opening of the Sivand Dam is no danger for Pasargadae" but did not mention the Royal Passage or Persepolis.

Archaeologist Parviz Varjavand said "irreplaceable human heritage" will be lost.

"This ruling establishment gives no value to Iran's cultural heritage. It is an act of stupidity and obstinacy," he said.
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pearls before swine.
Posted by: gorb || 04/21/2007 1:21 Comments || Top||

#2  The dam has been built with the specific purpose of erasure of pre-muslim cultural heritage, or rather that was one of the "fringe benefits" as the mullahcracy is concerned.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/21/2007 5:22 Comments || Top||

#3  From the tomb of Cyrus...

" O, man, whoever thou art and whensoever thou comest, for I know that thou wilt come, I am Cyrus, and I won for the Persians their empire. Do not, therefore, begrudge me this little earth which covers my body. "

From the Bible (2 Chronicles 36:23)

23 "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:
" 'The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Anyone of his people among you—may the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.' "

Posted by: John Frum || 04/21/2007 7:02 Comments || Top||

#4  These actions should, on their own, constitute a cause for war. Think of what the Taliban did to Afghanistan's spare heritage and imagine the catastrophe in store for an Islamist Egypt. Thousands of years and all that wisdom erased by evil morons.
Posted by: Excalibur || 04/21/2007 7:49 Comments || Top||

#5  imagine the catastrophe in store for an Islamist Egypt

Actually, they tried before. A Muslim prince declared the pyramids an affront to Allah (piss be upon him) and ordered them demolished. Fortunately, they didn't have the tools to do more than shift a few stones.

This time, who knows?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 04/21/2007 10:15 Comments || Top||

#6  You know, if we were any good at all at psyops, we'd have teams of operatives whose job it was to remind the Iranians of their great past and the role it has played in modern civilization, what their civilization was like when they displayed humanity toward men of all religions, and what caused it all to go to hell.
Posted by: Perfesser || 04/21/2007 11:01 Comments || Top||

#7  these actions correspond to those of the taliban, when they ordered the destruction of the great buddahs. This is a function of communist hegemony, to wipe history so it can be easily rewritten to fit the script of the new history. This whole team in power are complete throwbacks, they have only the capacity for evil, hegemony over lifes circumstances is thier primary goal, the means to those ends include freedom to erase and replace. We already know the plan, this dam will flood the ruins, its not a question of if, but when.
Posted by: Ebbelet Squank1306 || 04/21/2007 13:21 Comments || Top||

#8  It's from the time of ignorance before Mo's shining beacon, so what's the big deal? Just another pile of stones.

Mullah Omar's comments about the Afghan Buddhas spring to mind:
In March Mullah Omar ordered the destruction of two ancient statues of Buddha carved into cliffs near the town of Bamiyan. He dismissed protests from around the world saying that his men were simply 'breaking stones' adding 'my job is the implementation of Islamic order.'
The time is soon arriving where Islam's Kaaba will be just another stone that needs "breaking".
Posted by: Zenster || 04/21/2007 14:59 Comments || Top||

#9  we'd have teams of operatives whose job it was to remind the Iranians of their great past and the role it has played in modern civilization

During the time of the Shah he would have ceremonies at Persepolis. The imperial guard was named "The Immortals" after their ancient forebears.

The Nobel Laureate (Literature) Sir Vidia Naipaul has noted that Islam replaces the sacred places of the converted people with the sacred places of Arabia. For them God himself speaks in Arabic.
Arabic customs are muslim ones.
The native culture, language, religion etc have no value in Islam.
Posted by: John Frum || 04/21/2007 15:27 Comments || Top||

#10  Photos for those of us that have never seen this and apparently never will. Hope the link isn't to long....

To the point the vampire sand people cult trolls on with destruction of real cultures. Or as Bugs said, "there is no piggy but Allah and Porky is his name".

On the other hand the things are going the whole country is going to be turned into glass.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/21/2007 18:48 Comments || Top||

#11  nice pics, Ice. Persia had a long and glorious period of culture and intellectual achievement. Makes the current batch of MM's and their work look like dung-worshippers. I'd just hope that when the shit hits the fan, they have the good taste to avoid putting SAM and AA sites in their historical monuments
Posted by: Frank G || 04/21/2007 20:35 Comments || Top||



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