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Non-eco friendly and have fuel and maintenance tail costs which are quite large. Congratulations on your purchase. IMA waiting for the HESCO and domestic FOB construction contracts.
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I just watched the vid. Fairly liberal use of the term "operator" vs policeman. The line between police and military is beconing increasingly vague.
#5
At the end of the day, they've got to climb out of those vehicle and billet somewhere. Watch for construction of compounds or base camps, not just to accommodate the operators, but their families as well. Then become paranoid.
#6
So then speaking of Order of Battle, what would this break out to in terms of unit strength?
Posted by: Rex Mundi ||
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Not sure about Homeland Security force structure, MTOE, etc, but I'm adding black MRAP's to my black helicopter US gummit paranoia file. If they don't pull good PMCS and exercise those beasts, they might as well park them on a slab in front of the VFW or American Legion.
#8
Interesting that they are MRAPs (Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles) and not just armored personnel carriers. These are for use against an enemy who is actively fighting back, not just for hauling troops around. 2,700 vehicles / 50 states = 54 per. Kinda seems like a lot.
Back in the Soviet era, I always thought it was curious that the Ministry of the Interior had their own troops. The more things change,...
Want another ladle of irony? The administration is creating jobs - in the previously evil military-industrial complex.
#9
The socialists want your guns. All of them. And are arming up to come and get them, by any means necessary. It's all for the "social good". When the right social situation occurs, they will use thier "authorities" (Department of Homeland Security) to come after YOUR guns. It has ALWAYS worked over seas when Hitler, Mao and the Bolshevicks carefully planed and carefully executed thier domestic control plan.
#12
Maria is from Brazil. A nation surrounded by tyrants. Her country also has a taste of federal tyranny. I was surprised when I just mentioned the information this morning about Obama's DHS purchase of the tanks and she immediately replied "You want me to go home, right?".
She is solemnly aware of what is going on here in this country. Brazilians live under the Federal Policia machine gun towers that are every where in their major cities.
#13
And even though she has lived here for 25 years and has raised a family here, she knows very well what is being done here and what the response will be because ahe was born into federalism before moving here. After all, her children have fought evil in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Alaska Paul ||
03/04/2013 14:37 Comments ||
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#15
Food, fuel, water.
Posted by: Rob Crawford ||
03/04/2013 16:59 Comments ||
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#16
Food, fuel, water, shelter, ammo...
Posted by: Steve White ||
03/04/2013 17:02 Comments ||
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#17
I say I can still build an abatis faster than any man in the room.
Block the road, make them get out to clear a path and you've got them...just saying, they have to dismount to use their toys and then they have to fight on MY terms. The VC were pretty good at dictating the terms of the fight and DHS probably hasn't studied that stuff that much.
Posted by: Bill Clinton ||
03/04/2013 17:48 Comments ||
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Steve, from some of the news reports lately, DHS has LOTS of ammo.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia ||
03/04/2013 17:49 Comments ||
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#19
How resistant are these MRAPS to RPG's or LAWS (or equivalent) rockets? The people will need a can opener.
Posted by: Secret Asian Man ||
03/04/2013 17:59 Comments ||
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#20
A SHERIDAN is a "light tank", a CHAFFEE is a "light tank" - A MRAP is a MRAP, which is not a "light tank".
#21
DV, I don't get paranoid because I know that whoever will be operating those things has to know how. And I am confident that a very large majority of those with such training would refuse to carry out whatever the Bolsheviks might have in mind. They took the same oath that many of us did, to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
#22
They took the same oath that many of us did, to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Obama FEMA Youth. His own private Army. There are plenty of available recruits for whom the oath means bupkis. If they even took an oath.
Posted by: Secret Asian Man ||
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#23
Shhh, my common sense is tingling, Now I'm riled up.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
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#24
They took the same oath that many of us did, to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
If this was 1995 when some of this crap was floating around, I would agree. However something has changed. The America that was then isn't the one we have now. I view everything this government does with suspicion now and am wary of any agency he gives support and power to.
I swore that oath and I view Obama as a domestic enemy. I just believe that there are still enough people out there that won't stand for his takeover that he will have to leave when his term is over. He will try everything to keep that from happening I think, even an emergency declaration, but he will go in the end more or less peacefully. I hope.
#27
Obama FEMA Youth might become good at driving those light tank thingies in formation, but that's not the same as being a fighting unit. SWAT units they would not be, nor a regular army tank unit.
Would they be better in a city like New York or Detroit to help put down rioting and civil unrest -- I'm thinking gangs gone wild in the absence of proper policing, eg. during a flu pandemic -- rather than driving through the countryside into abatis?
#28
DV, I agree: I swore that oath and I view Obama as a domestic enemy too. I also agree that America has changed since 1995, for the worse.
But I also know people pretty high up in DHS who took the same oath, and share our view. Quite a few ex-military folks at DHS, due to veteran's hiring preference. They quietly do their assigned duties - dry, apolitical, bureaucratic minutiae - but they would also quietly sprinkle sand in the gears if they came across anything truly nefarious.
Even given the radical change in culture over the last 20 years, the sorts who crow about how they'd happily fire on their own countrymen, tend to be the same ones who think guns are icky and scary and have never even touched one. Many also have a rap sheet that DQs them from a federal job with any meaningful authority.
I also think Obozo is too lazy to cling to power. He lusts for fame and fortune - but expects it to just be handed to him, as has almost everything else in his life. Some time ago, I think gr(o)m said it best: Obozo's best qualities are that he is stupid and lazy. Indeed, and thank goodness.
So I understand your concerns, but I think it's just a matter of gritting our teeth until it's over. This too shall pass.
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