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2022-04-05 China-Japan-Koreas

What Is China Learning from the Ukraine War?

[defenseone.com] From battlefield concepts to geopolitics, Beijing is sure to be watching with avid interest—and some chagrin.

Operation Desert Storm was a turning point in modern Chinese military history. As military planners with the People’s Liberation Army watched U.S. and allied forces make short work of the world’s fourth-largest military (on paper), equipped with many of the same systems as the PLA, it became obvious that China’s quantitatively superior but qualitatively lacking massed infantry would stand no chance against the combination of modern weaponry, C4ISR, and joint operations seen in Iraq. The result was new military concepts and over two decades of often-difficult reforms, which produced the modern, far more capable, "informationized" PLA of today.

Today, the PLA is no doubt closely observing its Russian contemporaries in Ukraine as they under-perform in multiple areas, from failing to take key targets or claim air supremacy to running low on fuel and supplies and possibly experiencing morale collapse, and surely taking away lessons that will shape its own future. Of note, Russia’s experience appears to have confirmed many of China’s recent assumptions behind its investments, such as the utility of unmanned aerial systems in high-intensity conflict, as well as the necessity for the PLA’s 2015 reforms, which aim to fix many of the issues driving Russian failure that the PLA recognizes in itself.
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Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-04-05 12:01|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top
File under: Commies

#1 ...One thing I'd be looking for is a series of retirements in the Chinese military, both civilian and military...and possibly a 'plane crash' or two. That'll tell me that they're going after the corruption aspects hard.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-04-05 13:36|| 2022-04-05 13:36|| Front Page Top

#2 ...One thing I'd be looking for is a series of retirements in the Chinese military, both civilian and military...and possibly a 'plane crash' or two. That'll tell me that they're going after the corruption aspects hard.

Shades of Lin Biao...

Posted by badanov 2022-04-05 13:38|| 2022-04-05 13:38|| Front Page Top

#3 Look at how much good crashing the plane with Zia onboard did.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-05 13:40|| 2022-04-05 13:40|| Front Page Top

#4 So, how do they solve the 'yes' man problem and the classical Chinese bureaucratic corruption culture?

Answer - they can't. Meanwhile we have do deal with that same problem now that the globalists run roughshod in HR of our own bureaucracies.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-04-05 14:38|| 2022-04-05 14:38|| Front Page Top

#5 The reason the Chinese were able to hit us so hard with Covid 19 is that they were able to recognize guys like Fauci, Baris, and Daszak as classical corrupt bureaucrats of the Tang Dynasty model. They look at the white house communications guy with the makeup and the fashionable bag and see the long-fingernailed mandarins of that time period.

We really need a rent-a-Mongol-horde service if we want to buy another generation or two.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-04-05 14:49|| 2022-04-05 14:49|| Front Page Top

#6 Hopefully they haven't learned about the costs of discount tires and cheap radios.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-05 15:05|| 2022-04-05 15:05|| Front Page Top

#7 What is China learning...?

That it's better to posture and strut with knockoff armament, and to make edited presentations about capability, than to start a real war. They've got that lesson I'm sure. Real cautious bunch, those Chinese. Not like Russkies at all.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-04-05 15:10|| 2022-04-05 15:10|| Front Page Top

#8 We really need a rent-a-Mongol-horde service

I bet our pal Dron knows a guy who knows some guys...

Posted by SteveS 2022-04-05 15:12|| 2022-04-05 15:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Ahh you give me too much credit. I'm a tyre iron. Crude, good for just a few simple things.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-04-05 15:47|| 2022-04-05 15:47|| Front Page Top

#10 We had people within the CCP since the beginning of the millenium. By 2010 nearly all were re-converted or deep sixed. Today, the effort is merely to make the leadership see the light.

An establishment that does not believe in a lengthy due process or equality or inalienable rights is not something one can take lightly. They kill kill kill moles there, and traitors. Anybody who inconveniences their long game, just disappears.

Besides, there is a huge racial problem with the Chinese. Americans think they know racism? For example, Chinese absolutely detest Americans naivety for giving the black people any rights at all. These people are quintessentially in awe of only the strong, the supremacist, a lot like the Japs although they won't admit it. Demonstrate overwhelming strength and they find a way to fall in line. The problem is, there's a shortage of testicles in the world today. As for who you can buy, the random ideologue the activist, the uighur sasquatch leader, the disgruntled businessman... maybe.

Posted by Dron66046 2022-04-05 15:51|| 2022-04-05 15:51|| Front Page Top

#11 What Is China Learning from the Ukraine War?

That the Rus can once again be a vassal of the Chinese (Yuan) Empire.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-04-05 19:04|| 2022-04-05 19:04|| Front Page Top

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