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2025-04-14 -Lurid Crime Tales-

US Supreme Court rules Trump can deport Venezuelans under 18th century wartime law

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Posted by trailing wife 2025-04-14 2025-04-14 00:04|| || Front Page|| [10333 views ] Top
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#1 SCOTUS already ruled on the AEA to include the finding that deportations are not subject to judicial review. Once again we have the judiciary granting themselves power without Constitutional or Congressional authority.

Posted by Procopius2k 2025-04-14 07:48|| 2025-04-14 07:48|| Front Page Top

#2 There's a huge difference between sending someone back to his home country (or just letting him board a plane to Caracas) and deporting someone without any judicial review into a hellhole prison in a token third country, where nobody has the chance to ever get out again.

What on earth are you doing here? You are basically establishing that your government can do whatever it pleases with any foreigner on your soil, including those being there lawfully. No judicial review necessary before a person you just don't happen to like gets sent into a prison in El Salvador? Why not North Korea?

And then you have Trump who "‘simply floated" idea of deporting U.S. citizens, White House’s Leavitt says.

Excuse me?

Posted by European Conservative 2025-04-14 08:37|| 2025-04-14 08:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Life is a choice of evils.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-04-14 08:54|| 2025-04-14 08:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Criminal crackdown 10 more violent illegal migrants — including 5 Tren de Aragua gangbangers — deported from US to El Salvador over the weekend

Posted by Frank G 2025-04-14 09:31|| 2025-04-14 09:31|| Front Page Top

#5 We are deporting illegal aliens. If you don't like it, don't sneak into our country and break our laws.

Posted by Regular joe 2025-04-14 14:54|| 2025-04-14 14:54|| Front Page Top

#6 This is not "deportation". Your government sends people to a foreign concentration camp (that's what it is) without any judicial review. And your president announces that he would like to do the same with U.S. citizens.

Posted by European Conservative 2025-04-14 15:57|| 2025-04-14 15:57|| Front Page Top

#7 /\ El Sal won the bid.

"Nothing personal, it's just business."
~ Otto Biederman

Posted by Besoeker 2025-04-14 16:29|| 2025-04-14 16:29|| Front Page Top

#8 The illegal was from El Salvador, and they chose where to put the gangbanger

Posted by Regular joe 2025-04-14 17:29|| 2025-04-14 17:29|| Front Page Top

#9 Your government sends people to a foreign concentration camp (that's what it is) without any judicial review. And your president announces that he would like to do the same with U.S. citizens

That's a crock of shit. Don't want to be deported? Don't come illegally. You cross a passive country, you LOSE the right to claim asylum. NO US Citizens have been or will be deported...droned maybe (See Awlacki) under Obama? You may pretend to be conservative, but you are European, EC.

Posted by Frank G 2025-04-14 17:32|| 2025-04-14 17:32|| Front Page Top

#10 Re #6. And your president announces that he would like to do the same with U.S. citizens

To which he added that he (and his cabinet) must always follow the law. From my point of view, his use of the word "like" was a statement of desire rather than a prediction, akin to "alas, I wish" rather than "I will".

He then said he'd abide by the decision of the Supreme Court, intimating he isn't too keen on the decisions of the lower courts so will appeal all such rulings all the way to SCOTUS. SCOTUS did limit the standing of the district court judges w.r.t habeus petitions. The system is working. We are in the midst of a lesson about what process is due an enemy alien.

The constitution states

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,

and

no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

but the law states:

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

SCOTUS will decide it, and the rest of us will abide by it.

Posted by Melancholic 2025-04-14 17:55|| 2025-04-14 17:55|| Front Page Top

#11 Eloquently argued, Melancholic. Thank you.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-04-14 18:22|| 2025-04-14 18:22|| Front Page Top

#12 Trump claimed he "didn't know what the law is". The President of the United States who took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution" doesn't know that he can't deport U.S. citizens to foreign prisons?

Should be quite interesting when President Alejandra Ocasio-Cortez sends MAGA-supporters as "terrorists" to Cuban jails and says that she wants to ban the posession of all arms. She just doesn't know what the law says.

Yes Frank G, I'm European. And Conservative. One of those who believe in due process and justice for all.

Posted by European Conservative 2025-04-14 18:34|| 2025-04-14 18:34|| Front Page Top

#13 Watch the hands, not what's said, EC. EU Pols talk tough and do/fund shit.
Name one US citizen actually deported by Trump. You have a 4 year term + to refer to?

Posted by Frank G 2025-04-14 18:40|| 2025-04-14 18:40|| Front Page Top

#14 This POS claims fears he would be harmed by RIVAL gangs? Does that make any sense as to why we would bring him back?

Posted by Frank G 2025-04-14 18:59|| 2025-04-14 18:59|| Front Page Top

#15 #8 The illegal was from El Salvador, and they chose where to put the gangbanger

Your government sends people to a foreign concentration camp ... without any judicial review

Through the magic of dog sitting, I happened to see the presser with Trump and El Salvador's Prez Bukele. It was all quite entertaining.

A couple observations:

Trump and Bukele seemed to be getting along like pals.

Two US courts (immigration and immigration appeal) had ruled the guy exported to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia, was a gang-banger. When the gang came under the Alien SOB Act or whatever it's called, he became deportable to his home country.

Bukele said he will not send criminals to the US. He took justifiable pride in converting El Salvador from a regional murder capital to one of safer places in the hemisphere.

Trump says he has no control over El Salvadoran citizens in El Salvador, no matter what a district court might eventually rule after they re-mull over the ruling the Supreme Court punted back to them and figure out what "facilitate" and "effectuate" mean.

Posted by SteveS 2025-04-14 20:08|| 2025-04-14 20:08|| Front Page Top

#16 ^ All accurate. I did enjoy the tag-team abuse hurled at Kaitlin Collins (D-Douchebag/CNN) with facts. Luckily for her she was off-camera

Posted by Frank G 2025-04-14 20:22|| 2025-04-14 20:22|| Front Page Top

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