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2025-03-30 -Great Cultural Revolution

75% of US Scientists Considering Leaving the Country

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Posted by Bobby 2025-03-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11151 views ] Top

#1 Thought it was Regnum….

Posted by Itsoktobewhite 2025-03-30 00:26|| 2025-03-30 00:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Golly!

Well, anyhow...

Posted by Crusader 2025-03-30 00:35|| 2025-03-30 00:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Note to all those "Scientists", the private sector expects results.

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2025-03-30 00:38|| 2025-03-30 00:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Nobody leaves tenured position!

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-30 01:00|| 2025-03-30 01:00|| Front Page Top

#5 Columbia’s new prez called Congress hearings on antisemitism ‘Capitol Hill nonsense’

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-30 01:16|| 2025-03-30 01:16|| Front Page Top

#6 None of this will change until their endowments are at risk.

Posted by Crusader 2025-03-30 03:18|| 2025-03-30 03:18|| Front Page Top

#7 Following the money...

Posted by 49 Pan 2025-03-30 04:13|| 2025-03-30 04:13|| Front Page Top

#8
Let me see if I understand this correctly.

They likely selected 1,650 based on liberal political leanings (College & Big Pharm) of the estimated 55,000+/-(2020 data), that exist in the USA.

Of that, only 1,200 were liberal hot-headed enough to claim they'll leave and take their Liberal Political Pseudo-science with them.

BTW: What is Hollywood Leaving figure currently at, for those that promised to leave if Trump was elected?

1 out of several dozens.

Posted by NN2N1 2025-03-30 05:02|| 2025-03-30 05:02|| Front Page Top

#9 75% of the readers of Nature is not a representative sample of scientists, nor will the majority of the leftists actually leave. Celebrities “leaving” are either lying or announcing a vacation. Unlike Ellen, most “scientists” don’t have the option to ditch their tenured faculty positions to move to one of their many overseas properties, although some might have a retirement plan to move to someplace like Belize. It’s a win all around if they go. Cleaning up academia will not be quick or fun.

Posted by Super Hose 2025-03-30 09:01|| 2025-03-30 09:01|| Front Page Top

#10 Forwarded this to a physicist friend of mine. You could hear the laughing/gagging from 5 states away.
I suspect the term "scientist" in this study includes those studying hamsters' ability to appreciate counter-cultural rap lyrics/

Posted by Mercutio 2025-03-30 10:51|| 2025-03-30 10:51|| Front Page Top

#11 The rubes aren't buying our global warming grift no more! Well the Euros sure are let's take them for some research funding!

Posted by Regular joe 2025-03-30 14:01|| 2025-03-30 14:01|| Front Page Top

#12 They likely selected 1,650 based on liberal political leanings (College & Big Pharm) of the estimated 55,000+/-(2020 data), that exist in the USA.

As I interpreted it, NN2N1, a notice or brief article was inserted in that issue of the journal with a link to an on-line survey — possibly one of those something-Monkey ones — and 1650 unvetted, self-selected readers volunteered themselves and did it. There would have been no balancing of traits to get a representative sample even of Nature readers, since they would have come only directly from the website, unavailable to those reading the paper version unless they saw it on the page, turned on their internet access device, opened the website, and scrolled through to find the link —an awful lot of effort for an impulse activity.

And historically, this set-up attracts participation from those who feel strongest on the subject, and generally from only those for the proposition. Those against it won’t waste their time.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-03-30 14:21|| 2025-03-30 14:21|| Front Page Top

#13 The physicists I knew who were developing projects for the SSC generally started working on projects for the LHC the day word got out about the cancellation. (I don't know of any who tried to come back to Fermilab experiments, but there may have been some.) It wasn't ideal, but the LHC was going to get built (albeit behind schedule). They didn't leave the country--most of the development work was done at the university level, and the USA became a partner.
However.
I have observed that for happenings outside their fields of expertise, most physicists trust the same panic-mongering news sources as the rest of academia. (Call it rational ignorance if you like--you only get 24 hours in a day; do you want to spend a free hour on news sites or on spin glasses?) It would not surprise me to learn that some of the foreign-born researchers were worried.
The un-tenured, facing uncertainty, might think that a smaller but relatively secure prospect in Canada is better than a bigger and riskier (will the grant go away before the research is done?) task here. Family concerns play a role too.

But that a tenured physician scientist, whose wife is also a scientist, is looking to move? That's either an amazingly severe TDS case, or a leg-pull.

Posted by James 2025-03-30 15:35|| https://idontknowbut.blogspot.com 2025-03-30 15:35|| Front Page Top

#14 for happenings outside their fields of expertise, most physicists trust the same panic-mongering news sources as the rest of academia.

Michael Crichton named it the The Gell-Mann Amnesia effect after smart physics dude Murray Gell-Mann*.

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

* You probably know him as the co-inventor of quantum chromodynamics (QCD

Posted by SteveS 2025-03-30 20:39|| 2025-03-30 20:39|| Front Page Top

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