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2025-02-05 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

There was famine, but there was no Holodomor

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Posted by badanov 2025-02-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10327 views ] Top

#1 All of Soviet Union had famine due to Stalin's "collectivisation". Ukrainians "confuse" that famine with the 19th century ones they had every decade or so in Austro-Hungarian Galicia.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-05 02:09|| 2025-02-05 02:09|| Front Page Top

#2 Ignore the corpses stacked outside.

Posted by ed in texas 2025-02-05 09:12|| 2025-02-05 09:12|| Front Page Top

#3 /\ Spot on Ed. Need to have a few million combat casualties very few years or they're not practicing politics correctly.

Posted by Besoeker 2025-02-05 09:18|| 2025-02-05 09:18|| Front Page Top

#4 By decree of the Soviet Communist Party, farms, villages, and whole towns in Ukraine were placed on blacklists and prevented from receiving food, Grom.

Peasants were forbidden to leave the Ukrainian republic in search of food and during the winter of 1932–33, organized groups of police and communist authorities ransacked the homes of peasants and took everything edible, from crops to personal food supplies to pets.

Stuff they didn't teach you in school or the Young Pioneers.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2025-02-05 09:24|| 2025-02-05 09:24|| Front Page Top

#5 /\ Yea, that communist thing again.

Posted by Besoeker 2025-02-05 09:27|| 2025-02-05 09:27|| Front Page Top

#6 TASS quotes...

Didn't they take over Pravda?

Posted by Mercutio 2025-02-05 09:38|| 2025-02-05 09:38|| Front Page Top

#7 #4 The same rules applied throughout Soviet Union. Hint Mullah, don't use Ukrainian sources only. Check.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-05 09:54|| 2025-02-05 09:54|| Front Page Top

#8 I used European and US sources, Grom.

As a side note, don't always use Russian sources for history. The messages are usually 'tailored' for desired outcomes.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2025-02-05 11:20|| 2025-02-05 11:20|| Front Page Top

#9 I used European and US sources

Like NYT, or BBC?

My opinions on the subject comes from reading "Archipelago Gulag" & similar books on the history of Soviet Union decades ago. Also books on European history some of which were written before Ukraine was invented.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-05 11:33|| 2025-02-05 11:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Understood. Everyone has an angle.

Interesting timeline document here, though. You may have not read it before.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2025-02-05 11:43|| 2025-02-05 11:43|| Front Page Top

#11 ^I may not read it at all - I've lost an interest in Soviet history decades ago.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-05 12:00|| 2025-02-05 12:00|| Front Page Top

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