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2024-04-12 -Great Cultural Revolution

'Ohio's Sherman House Museum displays humanity, artistry of fearsome Civil War general

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Posted by Skidmark 2024-04-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11142 views ] Top

#1

Quoting the words of my Southern side Grandfather.

"Nothing honoriable about the man."

Looking what he pack of animal did, one can easily see Sherman was the leader of an pack of Terrorists and should have been put on trial for war crimes.

His group killed 1000's of non-combatants / civilians during his march through GA.

His pack of animals stole food, straved civilians, conducted summary executions w/o a trial. Raped females of any age, color, free or slave.
Even at the Officer rank levels

His pack of Terrorists locked people in the barns and burned them alive.

Plus many of the slaves his pack of Terrorists claimed to have "freed", where then used by his own troops as slave labor to move supplies and then fed little and abandoned when they could no longer do the job. Yes many died.

BTW: Read the "Ghost Amendment" aka the "Corwin Amendement"
Then as yourself was the war really about slavery or Tax Revenues, supplies and Federal control over state rights?

Posted by NN2N1 2024-04-12 06:40|| 2024-04-12 06:40|| Front Page Top

#2 /\ Then as yourself was the war really about slavery or Tax Revenues, supplies and Federal control over state rights?

Reuters - Trump says abortion laws should be decided by US states

The war for 'States Rights' continues.

Posted by Besoeker 2024-04-12 06:46|| 2024-04-12 06:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Iowa Joins Texas in Making Illegal Immigration a State Crime

Posted by Skidmark 2024-04-12 07:04|| 2024-04-12 07:04|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm sure Southerners look upon Sherman like Japanese look upon Curtis LaMay. Lesson here is don't bombard a federal military installation.

As for tax revenue, seems the national government keep rolling without collecting that revenue from 1861 on. As for slavery, the simple fact that the 13th Amendment could never pass in 1860 but did in 1865 says it all.

The problem for the south was that they had a ruling class much like that which we have today. They were not going to give up the power they had which was largely dependent upon that way of doing business. They were able to exploit local tribalism to sacrifice way too many of their brethren to keep that power. Sounds way too familiar to us from this perspective.

Posted by Procopius2k 2024-04-12 07:58|| 2024-04-12 07:58|| Front Page Top

#5 People who are still milking their grievances from the Civil War make New Orleans denizens still blaming their current problems on Katrina look reasonable.

Posted by M. Murcek 2024-04-12 08:31|| 2024-04-12 08:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Amen & amen at #4. And.....the same middle class and poor did the majority of dying. Strange how that works.

Posted by Besoeker 2024-04-12 08:55|| 2024-04-12 08:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Amen & amen at #4. And.....the same middle class and poor did the majority of dying. Strange how that works.

Posted by Besoeker 2024-04-12 08:56|| 2024-04-12 08:56|| Front Page Top

#8

Ghost Amendment

US House and Senate plus President Buchanan approved it.
Purposed by Northerns, mainly NORTHERN STATES voted to and accept the amendment BEFORE the Civil War started. Then ONLY after the Union Army finally started winning some battles did a number vote to recind it?

Incoming Linclon even verbally stated his supported it.

Corwin Amendment Text
"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."

Yes, you read it right, OK to keep slaves and indetured servants.
Why was it purposed by the Northern Politicians,?
Northern Elite & Businesses had a lot of indetured servants and several NORTHERN States allowed Slavery.

Summary: The Corwin Amendment is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that has never finally adopted. However, owing to the absence of a ratification deadline, could still be adopted by the state legislatures.

Wondering Outloud
Could DC renew it maybe it for others reasons?

BTW: My Fathers side of the family (Mass) were indentures servants to a Northern Cotton Mill owners famly for a number of years

Posted by NN2N1 2024-04-12 09:07|| 2024-04-12 09:07|| Front Page Top

#9 Meanwhile, St Louis had Grant's farm and Clydesdales.

Posted by ed in texas 2024-04-12 10:14|| 2024-04-12 10:14|| Front Page Top

#10 And Arlington is Robert E Lee’s home

Posted by Beavis 2024-04-12 11:05|| 2024-04-12 11:05|| Front Page Top

#11 Sherman said that if the U.S. had lost the war he would be prosecuted for war crimes. Union artillery had barely gotten into range of Atlanta when, on July 19, 1864, Sherman ordered a bombardment of the city's buildings: "No consideration must be paid to the fact they are occupied by families, but the place must be cannonaded." The Yankee guns fired their first shells on July 20, and within a few days, Confederate newspapers began reporting casualties.

Posted by Deacon+Blues 2024-04-12 11:32|| 2024-04-12 11:32|| Front Page Top

#12 ...My current residence is almost within sight of where Sherman oversaw the bombardment of Columbia, and the hits on the State House are commemorated by bronze stars set into the structure (NOTE: Sherman had lousy gunners by that point of the war; they were firing over open sights from just over a mile away and barely nicked it.)

Had Sherman not taken Atlanta and began his march to the sea, the Civil War wouldn't have ended for at least another 18 months past when it did - October of 1866. The March tore out the heart of the Confederacy, and destroyed literal years worth of supplies and food, as well as the means to transport them to the troops. Had those supplies and support still been available, even Robert Lee might not have been able to convince his men not to melt into the hills and fight a guerilla war.

Mike

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2024-04-12 14:09|| 2024-04-12 14:09|| Front Page Top

#13
OK OPEN QUESTION.
Did CSA Generals ever order the bombardment of civilians, without a prior warning?

Posted by NN2N1 2024-04-12 16:55|| 2024-04-12 16:55|| Front Page Top

#14 Civil Wars are always ugly, NN2N1. They’re fought like two cats in a sack.

And who knows what the CSA would have done had they managed to drive the war into Union territory. Do you think they would have outlawed slaveholding as a matter of philosophy had they won the war? Or the North indentured servitude? States’ Rights or no, making people legally chattel is an abomination.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-04-12 17:06|| 2024-04-12 17:06|| Front Page Top

#15 The town of Lawrence, Kansas, was a center of anti-slavery sentiment. In August 1863, Quantrill led an attack on the town, killing more than 180 civilians.

The Confederate government, which had granted Quantrill a field commission under the Partisan Ranger Act, was outraged and withdrew support for such irregular forces. By 1864 Quantrill had lost control of the group, which split up into small bands.

Posted by Woodrow 2024-04-12 17:24|| 2024-04-12 17:24|| Front Page Top

#16 The U. S. military also bombarded Charlston, South Carolina inflicting many civilian casualties.

Posted by Deacon+Blues 2024-04-12 17:25|| 2024-04-12 17:25|| Front Page Top

#17 And as for the "If this, it that, if this not that, the South might have won (or at least not lost)" follow that to its conclusion with the USA never involved in WW I or WW II. And all the ramifications of that.

Posted by M. Murcek 2024-04-12 17:51|| 2024-04-12 17:51|| Front Page Top

#18 War is cruelty. You cannot refine it. Humanitarian catastrophe is not a recent invention of the Juice.

I can understand how some people might regard Sherman as a monster. He did harsh things but some insight into the man's character can be found in his letter to the Mayor of Atlanta where he lays out his case for making war. It is blunt, but the conclusion reads as follows:

I want peace, and believe it (can) only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success.
But my dear sirs when Peace does come, you may call on me for any thing-Then I will share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the (wea)ther until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and (pe)ace once more to settle over your old homes at Atlanta. Yrs., in haste,

W.T. Sherman

Posted by SteveS 2024-04-12 19:13|| 2024-04-12 19:13|| Front Page Top

#19 What would really happen if a civil war broke out? New dystopian movie depicts conflict in near-future USA

Posted by Skidmark 2024-04-12 23:18|| 2024-04-12 23:18|| Front Page Top

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