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2023-08-29 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
The West is draining Ukraine according to the Afghan scenario
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Posted by badanov 2023-08-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ]  Top

#1 IMO, provoking a war with Russia after that happened in Afghanistan is a comment on Ukrainian intellegence.
There are, however, important differences.
Afghanistan, though brieflyconquered on several occassions was never somebody's colony. Ukraine's been a colony since 1320. And in all that time Ukrainians with ambition & gumption been joining their masters - becoming Lithuanian, then Polish, and finally Russians for the last 300+ years (particulary easy because you don't have to switch religion or language - Ukrainian, as a distinct language [rather than South Russian dialect] was invented in 19th century).
After breakdown of Soviet Union, Ukraine statred bahaving as a typical post-colonial African country - selling the assets build by the departed colonialists at cent for a dollar.
Once they sold everything (for example: the grain in the grain deal you hear so much about, belongs to western companies). They've started looking for a new master - hopping to become like the Baltics.
Fat chance.
Posted by Grom the Kindly 2023-08-29 02:40||   2023-08-29 02:40|| Front Page Top

#2 If my short term memory still works, I do remember that Russia moved the huge grain stockpiles from the captured areas into Russia itself, then announced a spectacular increase in their own domestic grain production during 2022. Amazing how that works.

Now the Russians are trying to cripple any grain storage and shipping facilities left in Ukraine.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 07:18||   2023-08-29 07:18|| Front Page Top

#3 ^Source?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 07:28||   2023-08-29 07:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Stolen grain news sources (there are more, but these are just a few I found quickly)
https://www.bbc.com/news/61790625

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russia-smuggling-ukraine-grain-putin-war/
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 08:23||   2023-08-29 08:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Record 2022 Harvest:
https://www.barrons.com/news/putin-expects-record-150-million-tonne-grain-harvest-in-2022-01664276107
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 08:23||   2023-08-29 08:23|| Front Page Top

#6 And the recent bombings of Odesa, Chornomorsk and Mykolaiv ports you might even remember.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 08:25||   2023-08-29 08:25|| Front Page Top

#7 #4 So, nothing but Ukrainian claims - like the numerous defeats they claim to have've inflicted on Russia (I wonder if somebody keeps the accurate stats on Ukra claims - would hate future historians tearing each other beards arguing whether Ukrainian claims sums to externinating the Russian millitary 2 or 3 times).
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 09:04||   2023-08-29 09:04|| Front Page Top

#8 And I'm sure, just like the forcible removal of people and children from Ukraine, it was all about keeping the removed grain 'safe'.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 09:05||   2023-08-29 09:05|| Front Page Top

#9 #5 Obviously it's uncoinceivable that primitive Russkies (unlike civilized, westernized, freedom-loving Ukrainians) have a record harvest.

TheWorld’s Top Wheat Exporters In 2021
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 09:10||   2023-08-29 09:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Stolen grains. Stolen farm equipment. Stolen coal. Stolen iron ore. Stolen steel. Stolen factories. Stolen vehicles. Stolen merchandise. Stolen TVs. Stolen appliances. Stolen toilets. Stolen children.,The list items not stolen by Russians is much shorter.
Posted by Enver Slager8035 2023-08-29 09:11||   2023-08-29 09:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Tracking where Russia is taking Ukraine's stolen grain

How Russian Ships Are Laundering Grain Stolen From Occupied Ukraine
Posted by Enver Slager8035 2023-08-29 09:18||   2023-08-29 09:18|| Front Page Top

#12 #8 Look who's the author.
For your information. Before the war, there were 4 million Ukrainians living in Russia (and, unlike the Nisei, they're not in concentration camps now). Now, there are 5. Big deal.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 09:18||   2023-08-29 09:18|| Front Page Top

#13 “You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.”

— Robert A. Heinlein
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 09:24||   2023-08-29 09:24|| Front Page Top

#14 Re #9 - Russia has about 300,500,000 arable acres vs. Ukraine's 81,300,000, so I would expect them to produce somewhat more.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 09:25||   2023-08-29 09:25|| Front Page Top

#15 Re #13 - Mr. Heinlein was correct.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 09:26||   2023-08-29 09:26|| Front Page Top

#16 I see we have another Putin parrot. Get your pay up front...
Posted by Nero 2023-08-29 10:05||   2023-08-29 10:05|| Front Page Top

#17 ^Let me guess, you chose your nym because you admine emperor Nero's intellectual acievements?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-08-29 10:10||   2023-08-29 10:10|| Front Page Top

#18 I wonder if somebody keeps the accurate stats...

We can't even count the COVID dead.

Stolen grains. Stolen farm equipment. Stolen coal...stolen Uranium?
Posted by Skidmark 2023-08-29 10:13||   2023-08-29 10:13|| Front Page Top

#19 Back to my #14, the US has about 390,000,000 acres of arable land, so it should be the top grain exporter in the world.

Instead, a huge portion of that grain goes into producing fuel additives for vehicles, thereby saving the snail darter or something.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-08-29 10:16||   2023-08-29 10:16|| Front Page Top

#20 #19 Instead, a huge portion of that grain goes into producing fuel additives for vehicles, thereby saving the snail darter or something fixing the Iowa caucus votes.

FTFY.
Posted by Nero 2023-08-29 10:23||   2023-08-29 10:23|| Front Page Top

#21 ^^^ ding ding ding!
Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-08-29 13:41||   2023-08-29 13:41|| Front Page Top

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