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2023-02-16 -Lurid Crime Tales-
Why was East Palestine 'bomb train' not stopped when fire broke out? Video shows flames from faulty bearing licking wheels 20 MILES before it derailed - as pressure grows to explain if sensors were working
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Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top

#1 Ohio train derailment: Rail firm pulls out of meeting with residents
Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 06:14||   2023-02-16 06:14|| Front Page Top

#2 I don’t understand why the material was dumped and burned. The DOT rating doesn’t indicate that the chemical is a flammable or explosive hazard. Dumping into a ditch to contaminate the groundwater and then vaporizing what hasn’t seeped in can’t be the normal protocol for a spill of this material.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-02-16 09:17||   2023-02-16 09:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Burning of crude oil pipeline spills was prohibited many, many years ago.

Choices:

A. Plastic lined reclaimed pit area(s) with sorted materials pumped to tank trucks and hauled to reclaim sites.

B. Light a match.

Most economical? You decide.



Posted by Besoeker 2023-02-16 10:09||   2023-02-16 10:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Heck, remember it's OK to poison a river as long as the EPA does it.
Posted by Procopius2k 2023-02-16 10:27||   2023-02-16 10:27|| Front Page Top

#5 Gummit people walking around in HAZMAT suits telling locals "it's safe to return."

You really can't make this stuff up.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-02-16 10:32||   2023-02-16 10:32|| Front Page Top

#6 I don’t understand why the material was dumped and burned.

Nobody wanted to stand up when the spilled load(s) didn't match the paperwork. Co-mingled and carbonized the contaminated samples may be indistinguishable.
Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 11:54||   2023-02-16 11:54|| Front Page Top

#7 In the litigious, media-adverse, PR/political image world of both government and corporate management, profit, image and liability always outweigh issues like public-safety and responsibility. So any decision about negative events seems based on minimized visibility and rapid disposition, often with distractions. Was the decision here based on a quick disposition in a "controlled burn" versus months of HAZMAT images to support reams of liability lawsuit filings?

Seems likely the on-scene decision makers failed to understand or anticipate the "nuke cloud" images and toxic rain/dead wildlife the burn produced; so iconic a consequence it trumped the distractions so powerfully that even MSNBC/CNN had to use it!
Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-02-16 12:42||   2023-02-16 12:42|| Front Page Top

#8 There are supposed to be sensors along the tracks to read the temperature of the bearings. If the temperature exceeds the safe limit a signal is sent to the engine telling them which car has the hot bearing. There are 2 points of failure, the sensor on the track or the readout in the engine. If either of these fails there is no was the crew can know if a bearing has overheated.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-02-16 12:46||   2023-02-16 12:46|| Front Page Top

#9 Seen on twitter, "Who cares if a few thousand working class Trump-voters in a tidy rural town in Ohio get sick? It’s “Yokel Central,” as one Twitter charmer called East Palestine.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-02-16 12:55||   2023-02-16 12:55|| Front Page Top

#10 It’s “Yokel Central,” as one Twitter charmer called East Palestine.

Its dial-up modem noise as NPCs await their programming update to this latest event.

But, at least for a while, enjoy the NPCs hating Palestine and and loving toxic pollution.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-02-16 13:19||   2023-02-16 13:19|| Front Page Top

#11 I think #7 NoMore BS nails it.

Look for the statements beginning, "Safety is our number one priority..."
Posted by Tom 2023-02-16 13:25||   2023-02-16 13:25|| Front Page Top

#12 There are 2 points of failure, the sensor on the track or the readout in the engine.

Or the radio instructions to the operators after relaying the engine readout.
Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 13:52||   2023-02-16 13:52|| Front Page Top

#13 The overhead damage assessment video they used to make this decision now never existed?
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-02-16 13:54||   2023-02-16 13:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Now they've got one from Detroit.
Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 14:34||   2023-02-16 14:34|| Front Page Top

#15 Video of Ohio train derailment shows wheel bearing in 'final stage of overheat failure,' NTSB says
Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-16 14:37||   2023-02-16 14:37|| Front Page Top

#16 Another train derailment outside Detroit.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-02-16 15:10||   2023-02-16 15:10|| Front Page Top

#17 Bee/Not Bee?

“In light of the ongoing environmental and health crisis in rural Ohio, we are urging all citizens to make sure they are up to date on their vaccinations,” said Ohio Health Department spokesperson Danze Pickleton. “The chemicals being spilled into the water and burned into the air are nothing compared to the deadly power of the latest variant XBB.1.5. Get your booster, East Palestinians!”
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-02-16 17:26||   2023-02-16 17:26|| Front Page Top

#18 Trains with these sorts of loads do not get routed thru big blue cities.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-16 17:35||   2023-02-16 17:35|| Front Page Top

#19 Apparently it broke down earlier in its travels -

The employees say there were concerns among those working on the train over what they believed was the train's excessive length and weight — 151 cars, 9,300 feet long, 18,000 tons — before it reached East Palestine, which contributed to both the initial breakdown and the derailment.

In the two weeks since, many residents who were home at the time of the derailment, or who returned after authorities conducted a "toxic release" of the hazardous chemicals on board, have told CBS News they are suffering from headaches, rashes, respiratory problems and painful coughing.

"We shouldn't be running trains that are 150 car lengths long," one of the employees said. "There should be some limitations to the weight and the length of the trains. In this case, had the train not been 18,000 tons, it's very likely the effects of the derailment would have been mitigated." - cite
Posted by Procopius2k 2023-02-16 18:02||   2023-02-16 18:02|| Front Page Top

#20 I have seen coal trains 200 cars long. That's 2 miles and 29,000 tons.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-02-16 20:58||   2023-02-16 20:58|| Front Page Top

#21 Most rail lines have weight/length restrictions of some sort, as well as speed limits. Have no clue what the limitations were for East Palestine. Someone might also check the last time that section of track had an alignment check.

If the bearings were on fire, the train should have been stopped. It doesn't take long for the axles to reach a temperature they can cause a derailment.
Posted by Old Patriot  2023-02-16 21:20||   2023-02-16 21:20|| Front Page Top

#22 True OP but if the sensors failed, not likely that more than one would fail, or the signal didn't make it to the engine there would be no way the crew could see it. I worked a derailment once where one set of trucks derailed. It took 3 miles and torn up crossing before it got hot enough to register on the sensors. It was a coal train. Luckily the coal didn't catch fire.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-02-16 21:29||   2023-02-16 21:29|| Front Page Top

#23 Today in Black Fossil Fuel History

Some lumps revolutionary masses complain:

Dear Editor,
Why'd we raise Cain,
Provoking those crackers in vain
To fight white Latinos
And free Filipinos,
If credit goes mainly to Spain?
Posted by Omolutle tse Tung5247 2023-02-16 22:14||   2023-02-16 22:14|| Front Page Top

#24 Yesterday in Honorary Black History

"My Mammy!"
"Our Mammy!"
The hearer spins round and sees double... a mirror?
"Oy, Ruby, it's twins!"
[bugeyes four, toothy grins]
"Well... 'tis queer, but I dearly revere her!"
Posted by Omolutle tse Tung5247 2023-02-16 23:12||   2023-02-16 23:12|| Front Page Top

#25 ^ My man!
Posted by Trofim Denisovich Lysenko 2023-02-16 23:58||   2023-02-16 23:58|| Front Page Top

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