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2023-01-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
In Kyiv, children go from apartment to apartment and ask for Russian books. To burn
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Posted by badanov 2023-01-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ]  Top

#1 You know who else burned books? The Nazis.

Oh, right, Ukraine has a very strong neo-Nazi presence. They're so trustworthy, we're even giving them heavy weapons and training them. Certainly this will come back to bite us in the ass in future years like it did in so many other places. Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by Herman Hapsburg8987 2023-01-18 00:03||   2023-01-18 00:03|| Front Page Top

#2 You know who else burned books? The Communists, who are still remembered fondly in Russia. Do you remember the Communists of the Soviet Union fondly, Herman Hapsburg8987?

Both the Nazis and the Communists were socialists: the former were national socialists, the latter were international socialists, but both were totalitarian, expansionist, vicious, and vile. For those who belonged to the wrong categories in the area under their rule, they were equally deadly.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-18 00:09||   2023-01-18 00:09|| Front Page Top

#3 /\ Unfortunately, the similarities do not end with books....or borders.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-01-18 00:26||   2023-01-18 00:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Too right, Besoeker. Start with destroying classes of books, end with destroying classes of people.

The Soviets weren’t keen on Jews, either.

I see nothing to prefer in the choice between Communists and Nazis. Given the well-publicized history of each, I am forced to conclude those who try to turn me against the Ukraine or anyone else on the basis of NAZIS!!!!!!11!!! are either fools or trying to manipulate.

There is still plenty to realistically dislike about Ukraine. Ditto Russia. But stupid propaganda does not persuade here.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-18 01:56||   2023-01-18 01:56|| Front Page Top

#5 Sure, the Red Army may have liberated Auschwitz, but there are accounts of the Soviets waiting on the other side of the river while the Nazis polished off the Warsaw Ghetto.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-01-18 03:47||   2023-01-18 03:47|| Front Page Top

#6 I never thought in a million years that Jews would be taking the side of Nazis. And telling us that failing to punch Nazis in the face for literally burning books is being manipulative.

But here it is. This is clown world.
Posted by Herman Hapsburg8987 2023-01-18 05:25||   2023-01-18 05:25|| Front Page Top

#7 
Posted by Herman Hapsburg8987 2023-01-18 05:35||   2023-01-18 05:35|| Front Page Top

#8 Were the Ukrainians burning Russian books before they were invaded? War on your motherland has a way of changing things.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2023-01-18 06:22||   2023-01-18 06:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Alternatively, the children may be burning books for heat. It IS winter.

Does Paper Really Burn at 451 Degrees Fahrenheit?
Posted by Skidmark 2023-01-18 08:15||   2023-01-18 08:15|| Front Page Top

#10 TW - Is it the communists that are remembered fondly or is it the perception of the stability the communists brought?

Having spoken to many russians - I have met more americans who identify w/ commies and socialists than russians. The russians I met, were not fans of the soviets or commies, but were fans of the stability times, of the commies, especially when compared to the Yelsin Era.

So the question is: are people conflating russia's memory of a more stable time, maybe a time when the country had more clout on the international stage - conflating a better time with a nostalgia for commies?

Because when I talk to russians, they dont have nice things to say about the commies and soviets, in contrast to the positive things they say about the period.
Posted by mossomo 2023-01-18 13:00||   2023-01-18 13:00|| Front Page Top

#11 Hmmm. "Stability." "You will own nothing and be happy."

I guess, in a relative way...
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-01-18 13:02||   2023-01-18 13:02|| Front Page Top

#12 We're so technologically advanced here in the West these days that we've taken censorship to a whole new level. We don't need to burn books anymore.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-01-18 15:27||   2023-01-18 15:27|| Front Page Top

#13  Is it the communists that are remembered fondly or is it the perception of the stability the communists brought?

Some look back fondly on Stalin, mossomo, or so it has been reported over the years. For others, it is the life under
Communism.

A Bangladeshi PhD engineer who reported to Mr. Wife as part of the team that opened up Eastern Europe for the big consumer product company after the Berlin
Wall fell brought his tall, blond Russian wife to our house for dinner shortly after he joined the company. She was a brilliant engineer in her own right, the child of an engineer and a scientist; they’d met at Moscow University, where they were classmates. Over dinner she recalled fondly her life before Gorbachov, when the family spent summers and holidays in their dacha in the Russian countryside, and there was none of the hurly-burly capitalism that had everyone competing against each other instead of working together to make things happen. I assumed, based in that conversation, that her parents had been midlevel members of the Communist Party, back when such things mattered. She was not political herself, as far as I was aware, being absorbed in her research and rearing children.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-18 20:38||   2023-01-18 20:38|| Front Page Top

#14 I never thought in a million years

Well, yes. Jewish culture demands looking beyond and beneath surface appearances to discover the essence and the meaning. Thus we look beyond the current name calling to discover that there are white supremacists in both Russia and the Ukraine, there are fascists in both Russia and the Ukraine, there are nationalists in both Russia and the Ukraine. And that even after the Donbas war of 2014-15 that we followed so closely here, the nationalist white supremacists of Russia and the Ukraine (and to the west through Europe all the way to America) hung out together, trained together, and exchanged information about how to achieve their common goals.

So when you screech about Ukrainian Nazis, Herman Hapsburg8987, I’m afraid we cannot take what you say on the subject seriously.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-01-18 20:54||   2023-01-18 20:54|| Front Page Top

#15 /\ #14 TW, thank you for saying it more clearly than I could.
Posted by magpie 2023-01-18 21:15||   2023-01-18 21:15|| Front Page Top

#16 ^ Boy, if I had a nickel... Say that about several of you, I could.
Posted by Elmang Cliter7017 2023-01-18 23:59||   2023-01-18 23:59|| Front Page Top

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