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2022-09-23 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Russia will lose the war against Ukraine. Here's why - opinion

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Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-23 04:06|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ] Top

#1 The world has moved on, not always necessarily in a better direction. That said, trying to revive "greater Russia" in the absence of the Soviet level of commitment to getting there is not going to work out for them.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-09-23 08:51|| 2022-09-23 08:51|| Front Page Top

#2 Not wishing him any harm, but I still have my doubts about Vlad's longevity.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-23 09:18|| 2022-09-23 09:18|| Front Page Top

#3 ^knowing many years of Russian history, I can say whoever replaces Putin could be much worse or should I say more strident. Day by day we will see massive pressure placed upon Ukraine and western peoples intent on war with Russia. The west shoots off their guns and they shoot their own foot. They manage this like Ukraine is a blue managed state.

Posted by Dale 2022-09-23 10:36|| 2022-09-23 10:36|| Front Page Top

#4 The only people who want the west to actually fight a war against Russia are in Russia, Dale.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-09-23 11:11|| 2022-09-23 11:11|| Front Page Top

#5 Russia has already 'lost' it's Short Victorious War™, but the question is still open about them continuing to slog through to a Pyrrhic Victory.

Posted by magpie 2022-09-23 11:50|| 2022-09-23 11:50|| Front Page Top

#6 Russia has already lost. It bungled its original war goals and is still bungling the new short term war goals. The real question is how much will Russia lose by?

A Ukrainian "win" would be getting all their original land, including Crimea back, but I seriously doubt that will happen. More than likely Ukraine will get something in a cease fire after another humiliating Russian retreat. And then in a few years another war will kick off.

Posted by DarthVader 2022-09-23 11:54|| 2022-09-23 11:54|| Front Page Top

#7 But it isn't Just Ukraine, is it?

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-09-23 12:16|| 2022-09-23 12:16|| Front Page Top

#8 Democrats cash cow must be protected at all costs. Autumn rains soon and Ukraine has equipment ill suited in such conditions. So the West has adopted a long term money pit as we did with Afghanistan. Ukrainian economy is a wreck and so ongoing money appeals. Manufactures will not be to keen to supply equipment when it is shone to be poorly performing. Diplomatic efforts of the West have only served to escalate tension and isolate Russia. So "If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends." Such enlightened words of Blinken.

Posted by Dale 2022-09-23 14:53|| 2022-09-23 14:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Autumn rains soon and Ukraine has equipment ill suited in such conditions.

You do know they mostly have Soviet era gear which operates just as well as the Russian stuff, right?

Posted by DarthVader 2022-09-23 15:12|| 2022-09-23 15:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Dale, I'm no fan of the Democrats, but they're not the ones who started this war. Putin did.

Stop trying to shift the blame. It just makes you look stupid.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-09-23 15:16|| 2022-09-23 15:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Until Russia's main concern is addressed, the encroachment of NATO into eastern Europe, and the lies that allowed it to happen, no ceasefire or negotiation will suffice to bring peace.

You're delusional if you think Russia will accept a ceasefire for any reason other than to reload, until those concerns are met.

The west has to do the one thing it has refused to do: negotiate with Russia.

The war continues on.

Posted by badanov 2022-09-23 15:20|| 2022-09-23 15:20|| Front Page Top

#12 ^Ditto that. The West offers the stick when it would have been much more reasonable to offer something more agreeable as a carrot. So it seems diplomacy has passed. Eight years of NATO encroachment tolerated by Russia until now. With current environment Russia reaction is bring it on. Russia proceeds with referendums. When the vote goes for Russia. Any attack on these areas will be treated as an attack on Russia.

Posted by Dale 2022-09-23 16:29|| 2022-09-23 16:29|| Front Page Top

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Posted by DooDahMan 2022-09-23 16:33|| 2022-09-23 16:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Dale, I'm no fan of the Democrats, but they're not the ones who started this war. Putin did.

Stop trying to shift the blame. It just makes you look stupid.

I think it was Democrats in the State Department who made themselves look aggressive and stupid when they engineered the Maidan Coup. How can they say Putin is the aggressor and ignore that? How can they say Putin is the aggressor while insisting that NATO expand into Ukraine? And exactly what are the Biden family interests in that country?

How long has Putin been in power and exactly why did he wait until just last February to start this particular war? You think there is no possibility that Biden had something to do with it?

Yes, Putin is losing. Russia's military/industrial complex is no match for America's. But does that mean we should kick his ass just because we can? Does that mean we shouldn't bother attempting to negotiate a peaceful solution because we're winning?

You push that guy until his back is against the wall and then you act all butt hurt when he fights back.

But my question is: Where and when will it stop?

I heard somebody say it will stop at the border but those borders have been in flux for over a thousand years. Exactly, what border? You gonna risk nuclear war for the Donbass? For Crimea which was never a part of Ukraine until ethnic Ukrainian Nikita Khrushchev drew a line on a map in 1956 when it was all the Soviet Union anyway? Same thing with all of Ukraine, technically. Until the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine itself was never independent, always either a part of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union.

Where and when does it stop, Rob?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-23 17:50|| 2022-09-23 17:50|| Front Page Top

#15 I think it was Woodrow Wilson who first advanced the principal of self-determination, mean the people on the ground should be allowed to determine which nation should rule the territory where they live.

I think most Ukrainians would vote to be independent of Russia because of all the animosity between Ukrainians and Russians going way, way back into history.

But what about Donbass and Crimea? Did anybody ask the people who live there?

Just today Fox News was claiming that Putin's current referendum in Donbass asking the people exactly that question is a sham. But Fox News always tells us that Trump's claims of fraud in the 2020 election are false. How do they know? Do they have poll watchers in Donbass?

Finally, how would you feel if Xi Jinping deployed his troops on our border?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-23 18:00|| 2022-09-23 18:00|| Front Page Top

#16 tolerated by Russia until now.

Thanks, Dale. The re-assembling of the Soviet Union should have hiccups under that asshole

Posted by Frank G 2022-09-23 20:06|| 2022-09-23 20:06|| Front Page Top

#17 Ukraine itself was never independent, always either a part of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union.

Parts of the Ukraine have also been in the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires, as well as being ruled by the Golden Horde. In more recent times it was semi-independent at part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth; also known as the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth. So it's history is a bit more complex than that.

Posted by Secret Master 2022-09-23 21:28|| 2022-09-23 21:28|| Front Page Top

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