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2022-06-05 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia Threatens To 'Strike The West' If US-Supplied Rockets Hit Its Territory
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Posted by Besoeker 2022-06-05 02:42|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 Here is what the Russian SOB is talking about. I'd be keeping an eye on air bases and data centers in Estonia and Poland.

NATO’s military presence in the east of the Alliance

An important component of NATO’s deterrence and defence posture is military presence in the eastern part of Alliance territory. In recent years, Allies have enhanced NATO’s forward presence by establishing multinational battlegroups in Bulgaria, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Slovakia. They have also sent more ships, planes and troops to NATO’s eastern flank, from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Black Sea in the south. These actions demonstrate Allies’ solidarity, determination and ability to defend Alliance territory and populations.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-06-05 02:50||   2022-06-05 02:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Medvedev the western-oriented Russian liberal may or may not be an "SOB," but it's striking that even the pro-western Russian elite, such as Medvedev, are so willing to thumb their nose at Biden and fling his poo right back at him.

Have Biden's puppet masters bothered to consider that maybe their wished-for alternatives to Putin are even more militant?

Do they even know that their liberal wet dream, Navalny, is a strident Russian nationalist who supported Russia's Crimean annexation (as do 90% of the Russian public including the residents of Crimea)?

Does Biden or his puppet master have even the faintest idea about the consequences of what they are doing?
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 08:53||   2022-06-05 08:53|| Front Page Top

#3 Actually, maybe the Deep Staters do understand the consequences. The sanctions are actually funding Russia's war machine. Russia has more than tripled its current account surplus and has also taken three times as much territory as they held on Feb. 24 -- they're already up to 20% according to the little man in Kyiv. If this goes on much longer they'll have close to 1/3 of Ukraine. Poland will take another chunk around Lwow/Lviv.

So now the Deep Staters are shifting the Narrative again: all the talk is about the urgent need for "NEGOTIATIONS"
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 08:59||   2022-06-05 08:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Red flag from Russia is a true Red flag. Should Russia be hit I see a greater probability of Poland being hit first since they have been so helpful supping needs to Ukraine. Certainly Belarus is having serious thoughts concerning Poland. China could, any day move on Taiwan. This would divert attention from Russia. So if hostilities escalate who else might want to move on another. They talked of Domino effect in the Arab world. Perhaps this is the plan towards NATO or USA. Biden has certainly weakened America, money, military equipment of all types and very low morale in our military. Spend, spend and spend.
Posted by Dale 2022-06-05 09:00||   2022-06-05 09:00|| Front Page Top

#5 ^ The Russians are hitting the tunnel and the roads on the border with Poland through which much of the NATO materiel gets transported. In the East, most of the ammo for the weapons sent to the Ukrainians is used up in a day or two, and then many of those weapons are captured by the Russians.

It's a complete clownshow, just theater now. Especially because they're actually preparing the western public and their little Kyiv puppet for negotiations.

Even CNN's faithful administration lackey Natasha Bertrand is reporting that negotiations are being prepared now.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 09:16||   2022-06-05 09:16|| Front Page Top

#6 Just returned from 3 weeks in Baltic Sea area; all countries in the area are supporting Ukraine; typical man-in-the - street conversation supports the state and also the many Ukrainian refugees. Several I spoke with have taken folks in, or their church was sponsoring.
Was in Stockholm when Kersarge pulled in; extremely supportive population.
Yes they are worried about any Russian advances, but all countries we were in were actually turning away people that wanted to join their military….
Posted by USN, Ret. 2022-06-05 09:24||   2022-06-05 09:24|| Front Page Top

#7 They are smart to be scared. Maybe the USA should work with existing NATO members instead of worrying about minting questionable new ones?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 09:28||   2022-06-05 09:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Official Washington is turning decisively away from the war... now that Raytheon and Lockheed and the rest of the Seamp's Ukraine grifters have their loot, they're trying to wind down this shitshow as fast as they possibly can. The phrase on everyone's lips now is NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT.

CNN's big story is about frantic maneuvering for a "negotiated settlement." A long editorial in The Hill urges the same and quashes all previous talk of "victory" by those plucky Ukrainians.

CNN: Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine negotiated settlement

"US officials have in recent weeks been meeting regularly with their British and European counterparts to discuss potential frameworks for a ceasefire and for ending the war through a negotiated settlement, multiple sources familiar with the talks told CNN"

The Hill: "Russia’s inevitable victory is [not desirable and won't be] total. The outcome of this war is a Pyrrhic victory [for Russia] at best. But it will be a victory nonetheless — and we in the West had better come to grips with that hard truth. ...

"Just as Ukraine lacks the ability to liberate all its pre-2014 territory, it also lacks the ability to liberate the recently conquered territory in the Donbas or along the Azov coast. Unlike in the north of Ukraine, these territories are central to Russian interests in Ukraine and, as such, Russia simply will not withdraw from them ....

"Nor will Ukrainian forces – themselves, it should be noted, suffering terrible attrition all along the battle front and growing weaker with each passing day – be strong enough to compel them to do so. No, like the previous two scenarios, this one is simply an impossibility.

"And that leaves only one other conceivable outcome: a fragmented and partly dismembered Ukraine, neither fully part of the West nor entirely within the Russian sphere of influence.

"A Ukraine fragmented in that the whole of the Donbas and perhaps other territories will be left beyond Kyiv’s control; partly dismembered in that Crimea will remain part of Russia (at least in Russian eyes); and not fully part of the West in that it will not be free to join NATO or even to have a meaningful partnership with the EU. Simply put, this outcome is not only not impossible, it’s not even improbable.

"And when this final scenario comes to pass, who will have won the war in Ukraine? Well, it won’t be Ukraine."
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 09:36||   2022-06-05 09:36|| Front Page Top

#9 NATO never should have expanded in the first place.

Our bloody Ukraine shitshow was completely predictable. Bush's father had the right idea. If Clinton had simply pursued HWBush's policies none of this would have happened.

America would be vastly wealthier, safer and better off today if NATO had been allowed to die a natural death in 1992.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 09:41||   2022-06-05 09:41|| Front Page Top

#10 Beskydy rail tunnel destroyed.
Posted by Dale 2022-06-05 09:44||   2022-06-05 09:44|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ 🤡

Complete shitshow. There goes $6B in military aid.

But hey no worries: there's still $8.766 billion in Congressional graft that will be wired to Zelensky and his retinue
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 09:48||   2022-06-05 09:48|| Front Page Top

#12 I’m all for a settlement.
Let the EU rebuild Ukraine.
Posted by Xyz 2022-06-05 09:50||   2022-06-05 09:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Btw, in case you missed it, the other $9B in "military aid to Ukraine" isn't going to Ukraine. It's actually staying here, because our fuckwits have wasted so much money on their Ukrainian shitshow that they've depleted our own stocks of weaponry to dangerously low levels.

By throwing billions in weaponry into this absolutely pointless dumpster fire in Ukraine, they've degraded our ability to wage a real war with China.

Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 09:54||   2022-06-05 09:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Thank you for that link, Dale dear. It could only have been more useful if it had photos of the actual damage.

Just returned from 3 weeks in Baltic Sea area ... but all countries we were in were actually turning away people that wanted to join their military….

Good to know, USN, Ret. I hope you had a wonderful trip.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-06-05 09:58||   2022-06-05 09:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Conservative Inc. grifter Jack Posobiec (We must be willing to destroy America to save Poland!) covered this several days ago. Yes. It's not exactly the work of a fading military power.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 10:02||   2022-06-05 10:02|| Front Page Top

#16 Yes: brave Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians! Like the...
Brave Ukrainians! (slaughtered)
Brave Afghans! (abandoned)
Brave Libyans! (who dat?)
Brave Kurds! (hung out to dry)
Brave Vietnamese! (so long, suckers)

"To be America's enemy can be dangerous; to be America's friend can be fatal"



Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 10:05||   2022-06-05 10:05|| Front Page Top

#17 "To be America's enemy can be dangerous; to be America's friend can be fatal"

Dr Kissinger, I presume?

Memo to Ukrainians (and bolshy Balts): Lie back and think of Kissinger
😄
Posted by Palmerston 2022-06-05 10:12||   2022-06-05 10:12|| Front Page Top

#18 Lie back and think of Kissinger
😂
Nice!
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 10:16||   2022-06-05 10:16|| Front Page Top

#19 #16 Yes: brave Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians! Like the...
Brave Ukrainians! (slaughtered)
Brave Afghans! (abandoned)
Brave Libyans! (who dat?)
Brave Kurds! (hung out to dry)
Brave Vietnamese! (so long, suckers)

Don't forget the Hungarian uprising in 1956. America did nothing to help them against the Soviets.... although in retrospect that was probably the right decision.

Eisenhower was the wisest and most successful foreign policy president that America has had since 1945

Posted by Palmerston 2022-06-05 10:32||   2022-06-05 10:32|| Front Page Top

#20 Checks must've cleared. The trolls are out in force
Posted by Frank G 2022-06-05 10:37||   2022-06-05 10:37|| Front Page Top

#21  Oye Como Va I like your command of the language.
Posted by Dale 2022-06-05 10:39||   2022-06-05 10:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Funny how you list everyone who's been betrayed by Washington in your sales pitch for adding Ukraine to the list of people betrayed by Washington.

Although I do like the way you mock that newcomer asshole "USN Ret." person, who's only been posting here for twenty years. That's not nearly enough time for him to have the same credibilty as the nick you've been using the first time today. Twenty years is such a _short_ period of time compared to twelve hours, and his actual on-the-ground reporting has got to be useless compared to whatever snark is handed out on the mimeographs distributed around the boiler room in St. Leninburg.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 10:49||   2022-06-05 10:49|| Front Page Top

#23 Someone citing CNN as a credible source here? Really?
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-06-05 10:57||   2022-06-05 10:57|| Front Page Top

#24 ^ Snowy brings the heat! Woo Woo!
Posted by SteveS 2022-06-05 11:19||   2022-06-05 11:19|| Front Page Top

#25 On Ukraine, CNN's Natasha Bertrand is just a mouthpiece for the Deep State. They're pushing the New Narrative, the one that Biden inserted into his May 31 editorial: There will be a NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. Ukraine will be carved up. Russia will of course keep Crimea and Mariupol and the Donbas.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 11:27||   2022-06-05 11:27|| Front Page Top

#26 adding Ukraine to the list of people betrayed by Washington

I didn't do that, bud.. that betrayal was the work of Nuland, and Sullivan, and Biden and Obama and Graham and McCain and all the other neo-con shitheads who led the poor Ukrainians down the garden path.

It was unbelievably foolish and reckless to encourage them to believe for even a second that they could join NATO, or seize Crimea.

What Nuland and then Miss Lindsey and McCain did was criminal. We're all paying the price for their criminal negligence and recklessness.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 11:32||   2022-06-05 11:32|| Front Page Top

#27 Oh no, it's the "look at what they made us do!" endless line of excuses.

I had no idea that John McCain is directing Putin's actions some four years after his death.

Maybe you should try sprinkling holy water on him, see if it helps?
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 11:41||   2022-06-05 11:41|| Front Page Top

#28 Seriously, though, is Vlad fucking around with the ouija board again?
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 11:44||   2022-06-05 11:44|| Front Page Top

#29 Even more seriously: NATO spent the last eight years since the first two Russian invasions doing _nothing_ and now a third one has been launched with heavy loss of life, both civilian and military, on the Ukranian side, claiming "We need to do this to fight NATO!" and you're surprised and upset that NATO is finally doing something?

They finally got off their ass and did something in reaction to _Russian_ actions and the Russian propaganda coordinated with it.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 11:54||   2022-06-05 11:54|| Front Page Top

#30 Yup. Do something!!
Git off yer ass!
Less' you 'n' him fight it out!

🤡
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 12:05||   2022-06-05 12:05|| Front Page Top

#31 Europe hasn’t done much.
This is a US/UK show.
Posted by Xyz 2022-06-05 12:30||   2022-06-05 12:30|| Front Page Top

#32 In Hell, McShame is gritting his teeth that he isn't here for it.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 12:34||   2022-06-05 12:34|| Front Page Top

#33 The former Soviet states remember the crushing boot communists placed on them for decades. They reject the Russian aggression for obvious reasons. I know Ukraine is corrupt, but your "Nazi!, Nazi!, Nazi!" bleatings to defend Vlad's war to resubjugate is hypocritical and evil. "Just let him take what he wants" is the cry of Commie symps when Russia is threatening anyone who supplies the means to help stop his grasping evil.
Posted by Frank G 2022-06-05 12:52||   2022-06-05 12:52|| Front Page Top

#34 Seems most Russians are mostly nostalgic for the USSR. In its outward facing manifestations, anyway. That doesn't get near enough discussion.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 12:56||   2022-06-05 12:56|| Front Page Top

#35 Never trust an Arab. Never trust a Russian. There, I said it again.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-06-05 13:06||   2022-06-05 13:06|| Front Page Top

#36 The Putinists are just being the normal bullies here -- HOW DARE THE NATION WE INVADED STRIKE BACK!!!

I feel sorry for the soldiers fated to die a long, painful, lingering death because Putin sent them to dig into the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

What a shame all that pain can't be put onto Putin and his defenders.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-06-05 13:08||   2022-06-05 13:08|| Front Page Top

#37 There’s minimal incentive for Putin to negotiate. Currently Russia is using stand-off weapons to bleed Ukrainian manpower with acceptable Russian casualty rate (Uke infantry targeted by RF arty and missiles). While 99% not their first choice, the general staff can elect to “go slow” and “demilitarize” the Ukraine by letting them feed troops into a meat grinder. Simultaneously the West is running down their war stocks significantly enough for open commentary regarding the same. Add in that effectively the West is funding the operation by continuing to purchase Russian oil and gas in rubles - whose exchange rate versus the dollar is higher than at the beginning of the operation. Russia has also continued to sell uranium fuel for reactors to the West, aluminum, steel and other essential materials. Very likely they are turning a profit on this exercise. An old maxim is “don’t correct your opponent when they continue making mistakes.” All that being said - if NATO, the US or the Ukraine offered Russia the moon and stars on a silver platter, what have they done to engender any sense of trust? The Minsk accords were not enforced - had they been, the current fracas wouldn’t have occurred. Bottom line - the US doesn’t keep its word on international agreements or domestic ones either (“no amendment to the constitution is absolute” per Biden Thursday).
Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2022-06-05 13:09||   2022-06-05 13:09|| Front Page Top

#38  Currently Russia is using stand-off weapons

The. Future.

Fighter mafia will put off reading the memo indefinitely.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 13:11||   2022-06-05 13:11|| Front Page Top

#39 Fok a bunch of Russian SOB's! I'm personally sick and tired of their constant threatening. If they fire on Poland, say NOTHING! Immediately sink their 50 (plus or minus) subs and put the entire Russian military establishment to the sword and be done with it.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-06-05 13:12||   2022-06-05 13:12|| Front Page Top

#40 Agreed, B. And it's doable. Would waken the chinee up in the bargain. But too much bad press and all that.

I do get that we owe a debt to Pulaski. That's a man, not the nation he came from.

Posobiec can go fuck himself.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 13:17||   2022-06-05 13:17|| Front Page Top

#41 we owe a debt to Pulaski

Woodland firefighters everywhere praise his name.
Posted by SteveS 2022-06-05 13:36||   2022-06-05 13:36|| Front Page Top

#42 Will the Russians FIRST target the DC area, plus CIA, FBI, and NSA HQ and such .............. ???

Seems like a reasonable choice ...
Posted by Aca Joe 2022-06-05 13:52||   2022-06-05 13:52|| Front Page Top

#43 Why would they target their allies?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-06-05 13:53||   2022-06-05 13:53|| Front Page Top

#44 demilitarize” the Ukraine by letting them feed troops into a meat grinder.

In the Donbas, Ukraine's Territorial Defense Force is experiencing a 65% casualty rate.

Egging on the Ukrainians to send thousands of untrained, inexperienced ordinary citizens into a slaughterhouse was nothing short of criminal.

Nuland, Sullivan, Graham, Biden et alia should be prosecuted for war crimes.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 14:21||   2022-06-05 14:21|| Front Page Top

#45 There’s minimal incentive for Putin to negotiate. Currently Russia is using stand-off weapons to bleed Ukrainian manpower with acceptable Russian casualty rate

Heckuva job, Brandon. Unfuckingbelievable.
Posted by Oye Como Va 2022-06-05 14:24||   2022-06-05 14:24|| Front Page Top

#46 #39 Fok a bunch of Russian SOB's! I'm personally sick and tired of their constant threatening. If they fire on Poland, say NOTHING! Immediately sink their 50 (plus or minus) subs and put the entire Russian military establishment to the sword and be done with it.

Is that you, General Buck Turgidsson?
Or is it actually Jack Ripper, going off the deep end...
"Just... give me the code, Jack... Jack? JACK?"
-BLAM!-
Posted by Palmerston 2022-06-05 14:42||   2022-06-05 14:42|| Front Page Top

#47  Btw, in case you missed it, the other $9B in "military aid to Ukraine" isn't going to Ukraine. It's actually staying here, because our fuckwits have wasted so much money on their Ukrainian shitshow that they've depleted our own stocks of weaponry to dangerously low levels.

I consider this a good thing. Before that, this administration was not willing to spend for replacing stocks expended since 9/11.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-06-05 14:58||   2022-06-05 14:58|| Front Page Top

#48  There’s minimal incentive for Putin to negotiate. Currently Russia is using stand-off weapons to bleed Ukrainian manpower with acceptable Russian casualty rate (Uke infantry targeted by RF arty and missiles). While 99% not their first choice, the general staff can elect to “go slow” and “demilitarize” the Ukraine by letting them feed troops into a meat grinder

And the ten or so battalions sent into Severodonetsk over the last week were just someone's imagination? I was hoping to see the news about how that went, but there doesn't seem to be any here, just trolls telling us to shut up and listen to Kissenger. Guess I'll have to go back to twitter to find out the actual news.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 17:04||   2022-06-05 17:04|| Front Page Top

#49 TSFSM #48^

If you are curious about the 10 BTGs you can see pro Ukrainian speculation over at Tom Cooper on Medium or pro Russian speculation over at Moon over Alabama. The two best sources I’ve located for orbats and sitreps stopped producing same due opsec. Folks on neither side like to see their dirty laundry aired in public
Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2022-06-05 18:27||   2022-06-05 18:27|| Front Page Top

#50 Duh … moonofalabama dot org
Posted by Slenter Panda4300 2022-06-05 18:29||   2022-06-05 18:29|| Front Page Top

#51 In the Donbas, Ukraine's Territorial Defense Force is experiencing a 65% casualty rate.

So slightly lower than the casualty rate among Russian generals.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-06-05 21:06||   2022-06-05 21:06|| Front Page Top

#52 Lie back and think of Crawford!
Posted by Black Bart6105 2022-06-05 21:42||   2022-06-05 21:42|| Front Page Top

#53 Slenter: thanks.

There are two guys on twitter I've been following: Trent Telenko and Osinttechnical. The former has a really heavy emphasis on military logistics because it's his day job.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-06-05 21:51||   2022-06-05 21:51|| Front Page Top

#54 BREAKING
Nicole Tung
Reporting from Kyiv, Ukraine

"At a bar in Kyiv, patrons watched the World Cup qualifier match between Wales and Ukraine, a contest delayed three months by the Russian invasion. The Ukrainians lost 1-0 in heartbreaking fashion: An own goal in the 34th minute by forward Andriy Yarmolenko."

So sad
😢

an own goal

Is Nuland their coach?
Posted by Jumbo Greans4974 2022-06-05 22:05||   2022-06-05 22:05|| Front Page Top

#55 Nuland, Sullivan, Graham, Biden et alia should be prosecuted for war crimes.

But not the guy who ordered the invasion, ordered troops to dig into the contaminated soil in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, and orders the shelling of cities?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-06-05 22:11||   2022-06-05 22:11|| Front Page Top

#56 Pooty pays the bills
Posted by Frank G 2022-06-05 22:14||   2022-06-05 22:14|| Front Page Top

#57 Lie back and think of Crawford!

Nice little town on the River Clyde in Scotland. Two iron-age hill forts, a couple of Roman camp sites, and the ruins of a Norman fort nearby.

Oh, and the "Treenis" on the hillside above the town. That was the detail that convinced me my ancestors came from the region.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-06-05 22:15||   2022-06-05 22:15|| Front Page Top

#58 US generals lead from the rear. Except during their #PrideMonth, when they lead with their rears.
Posted by Bubba Glinenter9187 2022-06-05 22:31||   2022-06-05 22:31|| Front Page Top

#59 June 3, 2052, New Washington, D.C.

Historians gathered today to enjoy a week of fellowship, exchange of perspectives, and gorgeous Appalachian views in our nation’s new capital, formerly Charleston, West Virginia.

Some 365 miles away, and little visited due to ongoing fallout, the ruins of the old national seat still gape beneath the sky, the graveyard of millions. It’s little comfort to know that faraway Moscow stands as even more of a ghost town, after punitive U.S. ground burst missiles rendered the region uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years.

The Post-American Historical Society has gathered scholars from every still-inhabitable region of the U.S. to explore a painful question.

The Origins of the Third World War
The keynote address, by visiting Oxford scholar Prof. Bertram Wilberforce Wooster, offered a provocative thesis. “While the question of war guilt still vexes relations between the remaining populations of North America and Eurasia, too few scholars have delved into the specific political history that led up to the conflict. Surviving records from before 2023 are limited, of course. We can only work with a few paper archives, and highly degraded electronic media discovered in cities that escaped nuclear attack. In a sense, it is easier to study the ancient Sumerians than pre-war America,” Wooster admitted.

“Nevertheless, we must strive to piece together from shards the story of the last intact America, the last intact Europe, in the hope of understanding what went wrong.”

War Was Avoidable
His fellow scholars were fascinated by records Wooster had unearthed of a major political scandal in the presidency of the last pre-war U.S. leader, Donald Trump. By careful reconstruction of recently restored court records, Wooster has concluded that the tensions which escalated between the one-time “NATO” alliance, the United States, and the Russian Federation need not have ended in a mutually suicidal conflict. “There was an off-ramp on the road to war,” Wooster said. “Alas, it was the road not taken.”

Wooster admits that the relentless drive for expansion by the U.S. and NATO in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 made such a war always likely. “The world saw on both the putatively antiwar left, and supposedly prudent right, a broad consensus that the West should move in to traditionally Russian spheres of influence.

“While every Russian regime for 500 years had sought to increase a buffer to its west for fear of invasion, Western politicians insisted on stripping that away. They surrounded a shrinking, humiliated, resentful one-time great power with small, weak new countries connected via the NATO treaty to a nuclear hair-trigger. One really must wonder what they were thinking, or if they were thinking at all.”

The Road Not Taken
But this escalating provocation need not have continued, Wooster claims. He adduces campaign statements, policy documents, and other indications that Donald Trump, elected in 2016, sought to deescalate tensions. “Trump did not see the benefit to the United States of an endless confrontation with Russia, particularly as China was both growing economically and rearming itself at a breakneck speed. We have seen, of course, the outcome, in the doubling of Chinese territory since the Russo-American War, and Beijing’s occupation of Japan, Indochina, and the Philippines. None of this, I argue, was inevitable.”

Trump’s basic worldview argued for a rapprochement with Russia, including a negotiated settlement to the very real territorial disputes between that country and “Ukraine,” an independent nation-state whose territory was once home to tens of millions. Of course, it is now mostly empty, irradiated forests, with ghost cities roamed by animals.

The Hoax That Ended the World
“What prevented Trump from acting on his peaceful, patriotic instincts?” Wooster asked rhetorically. “I believe that I’ve found the answer.”
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