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2022-04-04 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Why, you ask, is the RUBLE soaring? Here are 8 REASONS. (Hint: Putin was PREPARED for sanctions.)
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Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ]  Top

#1 Is Mr. Sherlock correct?
He is certainly correct. Let us count the (eight) ways:
1. Russia escaped Visa and Mastercard.
Yes. Russia has had over a decade to prepare for this. V and NA have a simple business model: it's called extortion. They get away with it in the West because of regulatory capture. Doesn't work in countries where the state is not the lapdog of the Tier 1 banks, as in the West.

2. Russia still trades oil and gas with Europe.
Duh. You'd have to be a "professional military analyst" not to see this central fact.

3. Russia halted currency trades.
4. Russia enacted stock market restrictions.
Duh, again. States matter. Governments > markets. Foolish western neoliberals have forgotten this.

5. Of Russian exporters, Russia demanded 80% of euros and dollars be traded for rubles.
Why? Because they can. Russia is not a weak, shitty little patsy like Iran or Iraq. (In case you forgot.)

6. Russia threatens to stop exporting key commodities including aluminum, natural gas, fertilizer, rare earth minerals, etc., driving up prices and the need to stockpile.
As every trader large or small on the planet knows--but shitheads in the Biden administration have never understood.

7. Sanctions cannot take away Russia’s natural resources.
Yes, Virginia: The world is not digital and still relies on things pulled out of the earth: stuff that feeds, shelters, warms, and powers the transport of physical human beings in a physical world.

8. While the Fed can print dollars, it cannot print commodities. Likewise, while the ECB can print euros, it cannot print commodities.

Hey Obama: you shit for brains, you genius who claimed that "Russia doesn't make anything the world wants": the world is now desperate for all the shit Russia creates and ships.

Oil and gas: the world's desperate for them, you stupid fuck. Look at a price curve, you shitheads.

Coal: soaring. How the fuck do you expect Mutti Merkel to avoid freezing in the dark when there's no alternative fuel and you've shit down nuclear and stiffed Gazprom?

Wheat: let's count the bodies on the starvation path, shall we, now that you've shut down Russian wheat exports that half the world depends on. You complain about "mass graves" in Ukraine. Well, you stupid hypocritical assholes won't be able to dig a big enough grave for the *** MILLIONS *** whom your retarded policies will cause to starve in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. So who's the war criminal now?

Fertilizer: see above-- apply it now to the West. Hey Joey: remember food scarcity during the Depression? Remember when Roosevelt got on the television and talked about how to make a sugar sandwich? Ask CornPop, there's a good boy.

Aluminum. Nickel. Platinum. Palladium. Titanium. Yeah, all those things your batteries and airframes and electric vehicles and semiconductors and a zillion other manufactured goods depend critically upon: THEY COME FROM RUSSIA.

Sanctions are the biggest blowback from arming the mujahideen. Epic fail. Stupidest US foreign policy ever
Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 01:10||   2022-04-04 01:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Paid to push this article today?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 01:12||   2022-04-04 01:12|| Front Page Top

#3 
Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 01:18||   2022-04-04 01:18|| Front Page Top

#4 Obviously a bot.
Unable to do anything besides regurgitate a script.
Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 01:22||   2022-04-04 01:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Except RC is known here and you're a Chekist. Shouldn't you be in Donbas shooting civilians?
Posted by Nero 2022-04-04 01:30||   2022-04-04 01:30|| Front Page Top

#6 
Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 01:40||   2022-04-04 01:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Shouldn't you be in Donbas shooting civilians?

Ah, the latest meme. "War crimes!"

Riddle me this, "Nero": Which is a greater crime, killing civilians in a war zone -- clue: the US, Ukraine, Israel, Russia, every major nation on the planet has been guilty of this -- or deliberately causing food scarcity for hundreds of millions of keilke, and starvation and death of up to 10 million innocent people around the world as a way to "punish" a nation those innocents have fuck all to do with?

Awaiting your sober and judicious, well-reasoned answer, "Nero." Try not to set anything on fire.
Posted by Whineque Glaviling2795 2022-04-04 01:46||   2022-04-04 01:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Those are good and sufficient reasons. Another potential reason is India's progress in creating a trading mechanism for sourcing necessary imports from its Russian ally using rupees exchanged for rubles. India has significantly increased trade with Russia in the past month and will continue to draw closer to Russia, despite Biden's efforts to strong arm us.

We have endured decades of American attempts to bully us and will no longer suffer fools such as Biden telling us we need to join the West in pointless and hypocritical displays of "virtue."

India is also increasing its purchases of rubles. The ruble-rupee trading mechanism will be finalised shortly -- Lavrov was just here and met with Modi.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 02:01||   2022-04-04 02:01|| Front Page Top

#9 India was the prize. Strong partner. I see Israel next to accommodate Russia.
Posted by Dale 2022-04-04 04:19||   2022-04-04 04:19|| Front Page Top

#10 Goldman Sachs warns the dollar is at risk of losing its dominance, and could end up a lesser player like the UK pound

As everyone sees, a country whose share of international trade is tiny relative to its currency's share of payments must depend upon goodwill and trust. If one uses the dollar as a weapon of war, that goodwill evaporates. The trust is shaken, and countries will seek alternative mechanisms so that they are not vulnerable to American blackmail.

The other reason that the dollar will lose reserve currency status is the hyperinflation that Biden has provoked through his foolish sanctions. It's extraordinary, really, that a country with such extremely weak financials -- enormous external debts and a huge current account deficit -- would deliberately pursue the one policy guaranteed to destroy confidence in its currency. Perhaps it is Biden, not Trump, who is the Kremlin's man in the White House.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 08:32||   2022-04-04 08:32|| Front Page Top

#11 Whineque Glaviling2795 might be right, but...
The West will buy what it need thru 3rd partys. Iran has been doing it for years. The West will adapt.
Better to decouple from China and Russia than send them money.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-04-04 08:32||   2022-04-04 08:32|| Front Page Top

#12 /\ Better to decouple from China and Russia than send them money.

No worries. Our Uniparty will take care of us. Excuse me, I'll be right back....it's the doorbell. Could be Publisher's Clearinghouse.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-04-04 08:48||   2022-04-04 08:48|| Front Page Top

#13 Anonymous cowards pushing Putinist claims are unpersuasive.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 08:58||   2022-04-04 08:58|| Front Page Top

#14 Everyone is anonymous here.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-04-04 09:12||   2022-04-04 09:12|| Front Page Top

#15 Actually, no, we're not.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 09:14||   2022-04-04 09:14|| Front Page Top

#16 I'm insignificant, but right out in the open. I'm not hard to find.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 09:16||   2022-04-04 09:16|| Front Page Top

#17 "Putinist claims"

This is absurd. The "claims" you refer to are careful and thorough economic analyses done by economists at Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms. Also by former and current top economists at the IMF.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 09:18||   2022-04-04 09:18|| Front Page Top

#18 /\ You did forget the sarc tag on that one didn't you SC ?
Posted by Besoeker 2022-04-04 09:27||   2022-04-04 09:27|| Front Page Top

#19 Russia also restricted currency trades. People who wanted out of the ruble could not get out. In addition, Russia banned foreigners from selling Russia stocks.

This does not create value; it suppresses it. Why buy rubles or invest in Russian companies if you can never profit from them? So the international market for rubles and Russian stocks will shrink, not grow.

This isn't the action of a policy of becoming a major international player -- it's purely protective, nearly nationalization, and a sign of disengagement.

You can let Putin's puppets blow smoke up your nethers all you want -- but don't expect everyone else to join in.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 09:38||   2022-04-04 09:38|| Front Page Top

#20 "Sarc" as in, sarcastic? Why would I do that? Goldman Sachs has the best economists on Wall Street. Jim O'Neill's analysis has consistently been on the mark. They call it straight and do exceptional work because they're a prop trading house with their own money on the line.

Gina Gopinath, Chief Economist at at the IMF, is a superb macroeconomist. Gina was a rising star in India. We knew she would go far. Our loss is Harvard's and the world's gain.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 09:39||   2022-04-04 09:39|| Front Page Top

#21 If I'm going to read fiction this morning I would prefer that it be high-quality fiction.

Chapter 1

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in
possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.

However little known the feelings or views of such a man may
be on his first entering a neighbourhood, this truth is so well
fixed in the minds of the surrounding families, that he is considered
the rightful property of some one or other of their daughters.

"My dear Mr. Bennet," said his lady to him one day, "have you
heard that Netherfield Park is let at last?"

Mr. Bennet replied that he had not.

"But it is," returned she; "for Mrs. Long has just been here, and
she told me all about it."

Mr. Bennet made no answer.

"Do you not want to know who has taken it?" cried his wife
impatiently.

"YOU want to tell me, and I have no objection to hearing it."

This was invitation enough.

"Why, my dear, you must know, Mrs. Long says that Netherfield
is taken by a young man of large fortune from the north of
England; that he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to
see the place, and was so much delighted with it, that he agreed
with Mr. Morris immediately; that he is to take possession
before Michaelmas, and some of his servants are to be in the
house by the end of next week."

"What is his name?"

"Bingley."


Posted by Matt 2022-04-04 09:39||   2022-04-04 09:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Correction: Gita Gopinath, not Gina. (Silly auto-correct function!)

Gita गीता is a lovely girl's name that means sacred song or poem.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 09:46||   2022-04-04 09:46|| Front Page Top

#23 We knew she would go far

Gita Gopinath is an outstanding economist and a stunningly beautiful lady. Not sure she agrees with every part of the above thesis however.
Posted by Gerthudion Smith4434 2022-04-04 09:54||   2022-04-04 09:54|| Front Page Top

#24 Interesting that the RussoNazis will more or less blame Biden for spending two weeks attempting to sanction Russia for their genocidal shit but never look at the fact that Biden and his party are treasonous piles of shit who spent 30 years making sure the sanctions wouldn't work by tearing down the west's industrial base.

Their job is to push the half truth: "It's your fault for wanting to fight Russia" when Obama and Biden and their fellow running dogs have spent the last thirty years being Xi's and Putin's Collaborators in preparing for the current killings. It's distraction. They'll talk about how brilliant Putin was but NEVER acknowledge that Biden was his collaborator. That's what they need to cover up.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-04-04 09:59||   2022-04-04 09:59|| Front Page Top

#25 ^ True, while Gita's at the IMF she must take care not to offend her paymaster, Uncle Sam. But Goldman's economists do not need to pull their punches. Perhaps Gita will work for Goldman next.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 09:59||   2022-04-04 09:59|| Front Page Top

#26 No one cares how beautiful a name is.

Putin's policy is one of withdrawal and impoverishment, not of becoming a world economic power.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 10:00||   2022-04-04 10:00|| Front Page Top

#27 #2 Paid to push this article today?
#3 Brilliant comeback -- assuming you're not a bot.

Think traffic analysis. Sometimes the interesting part is not the particular message, but who is repeating it and when. Example: all those simultaneous Trump stories about "the walls are closing in" or more recently, the feeding frenzy over the "7 hour gap". If you stand back a bit, you can see these things.

If Rob is bot, my compliments to whoever trained his language model.
Posted by SteveS 2022-04-04 10:04||   2022-04-04 10:04|| Front Page Top

#28 Remember "journolist?"
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 10:06||   2022-04-04 10:06|| Front Page Top

#29 Not sure she agrees with every part of the above thesis however.

Gita uses the word "fragmentation," a subtle distinction but not a really important one. The material point is that the dollar will become like the pound: an important currency but not the dominant one, and thus useless as an economic weapon for bullying nations such as India that want to pursue their own policies without being dictated to by the West.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 10:09||   2022-04-04 10:09|| Front Page Top

#30 RC has been around over 20 yrs. First "met" him on Bill Quick's Dailypundit, IIRC
Posted by Frank G 2022-04-04 10:14||   2022-04-04 10:14|| Front Page Top

#31 Agree with you that Gita is quite the looker - brains and beauty! She's married, alas. But her husband is a very nice guy.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 10:25||   2022-04-04 10:25|| Front Page Top

#32 Frank, I'm one of the longest-running trolling operations in the world. The CIA started building my "legend" back on BBS systems in the late '80s.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 10:27||   2022-04-04 10:27|| Front Page Top

#33 
#15 and #16. I used to use my real name here and found out I shouldn't.
Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-04-04 10:29||   2022-04-04 10:29|| Front Page Top

#34 
Posted by Tiny the Kid2252 2022-04-04 11:35||   2022-04-04 11:35|| Front Page Top

#35 Some folks have jobs that make them immune to petty retributions.

Having a pseudo-name or not is irrelevant as long as one uses the same one for a long enough period of time.
Posted by ruprecht 2022-04-04 11:47||   2022-04-04 11:47|| Front Page Top

#36 I am shocked, and I mean shocked, to have Rob Crawford revealed as a bot. Who next, Trailing Wife?
Posted by Classical_Liberal 2022-04-04 11:49||   2022-04-04 11:49|| Front Page Top

#37 Yesterday skidmark was revealed as a bot, or agent 86 or agent 007. Not sure.
All hell is breaking loose here.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-04-04 13:34||   2022-04-04 13:34|| Front Page Top

#38 My favorite thing about the bots is they announce they know all about my politics and sex life and they are totally wrong.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 13:44||   2022-04-04 13:44|| Front Page Top

#39 I have never mistaken Vladimir Putin for Mother Teresa.

Having said that, all the economic warfare that the US and Europe rushed into will only hurt ourselves in the end. We are encouraging Russia, China, India, and who knows who else to abandon all of our financial and economic systems and set up their own.

The dumbest businessman knows you don't go out of your way to encourage and support the competition.
Posted by Tom 2022-04-04 14:01||   2022-04-04 14:01|| Front Page Top

#40 The most powerful fulcrum in modern geopolitical terms for regional hegemons and superpowers is triangulation. The motive in opening up to China by Nixon/Kissinger was the beginning of the change pattern in the Cold War.

I am no Russian apologist and the Ukraine disaster has displayed the very worst in their character, Stalinesque of late, and despicable. Having said that, the West is driving Russia into a vassal connection with China, a far greater threat and frankly, enemy, than Russia has been for decades. Huge swathes of Western economic, cultural and political system successes are being destroyed, and instability is rampant in ways undreamed of even five years ago. The deviation from this descent into this decline was paused by Trump, and the vehemence with which has was assailed, almost always dishonestly, is staggering. Our public policies are insane, the border, energy, debt, Covid waste, racial disunity, crime, etc. Behind every aspect, in the macro perspective, who plays the long game? China, who seemingly owns enormous influence across the spectrum of corporate, media and political power today. Hyperbolic pressures in the media and the posturing of the administration do little to dissuade me from this suspicion. It makes me only wonder....
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-04-04 15:07||   2022-04-04 15:07|| Front Page Top

#41 Something I think the trolls don't get: Antifa says I'm a nazi. I'm not a nazi. Antifa says I'm a fascist. I'm not a fascist. BLM / corporate media / democrat party (but I repeat myself) says I'm a rayciss white supremacist. Actual rayciss white supremacists would have nothing to do with me, and I like it that way. I don't / won't / wouldn't do any sexual favors for Putin or Zellensyyy (or however he spells his name this week.)

Call me whatever turns you on. I know what I am and am not. You don't know me at all. You just know you hate me for not seeing it your way.

I don't actually give a crap which side loses the most. The "winner" will mostly get bombed-out crap half occupied by resentful occupados. Oh, one side or the other will have leftists and gerbilists rushing to suck(cor) them. Better them than me.

The crap about how sanctions are ruining the dollar? That was already well on the way, this is the WEF's excuse to accelerate the end of the job. Do you really think people won't find other places to put their wealth (as opposed to holdings) when they see the writing on the wall?

As Tom Robbins said in Even Cowgirls Get The Blues, "The situation was the same as always, desperate as usual..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 15:29||   2022-04-04 15:29|| Front Page Top

#42 I am not a bot though I learned yesterday I may aspire to be a "gullible twat".
Posted by magpie 2022-04-04 15:34||   2022-04-04 15:34|| Front Page Top

#43 "Gullible" is rooted in the term "to swallow." If it's going down my gullet, I, or someone I esteem as a pitmaster, carved it, gripped it and put it on my plate.

I do not have a twat. I could easily be called a c*nt in any land where British slang rules, but the caller better be ready take a pounding.

At the end of the day, I have been called worse by my own mother than any creepy Putinite or Zellllleeeeeennnnnssssskkkkyyyyite (is that how it's spelled right now?) can call me.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 15:41||   2022-04-04 15:41|| Front Page Top

#44 Grilled it. No idea where gripped came from...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 15:45||   2022-04-04 15:45|| Front Page Top

#45 Murcek-- leftists have called me Nazi, fascist, Klansman and Jew. None of those are true. The far-right seems to be taking their turn now.

"Lies aren't true and the truth can't hurt me."

I'm for the values that created America -- inalienable individual rights backed by the Reason our Creator gave us. Seems like a vanishing set of values these days.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-04-04 16:38||   2022-04-04 16:38|| Front Page Top

#46 I have always said, "Call me this or that long enough and I might take you up on it. You really don't want that, so just stop now."
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 16:43||   2022-04-04 16:43|| Front Page Top

#47 The most dangerous person is the one who wants to be left alone. See: Rambo.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 16:44||   2022-04-04 16:44|| Front Page Top

#48 I'm for the values that created America -- inalienable individual rights backed by the Reason our Creator gave us. Seems like a vanishing set of values these days.

That's well said, Rob.
Posted by Matt 2022-04-04 16:50||   2022-04-04 16:50|| Front Page Top

#49 John McCain would have lovede Zelllennnnssssskkkkyyyy. Schaysssssschs it all...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-04-04 17:17||   2022-04-04 17:17|| Front Page Top

#50 *shrug* Paul Krugman is so brilliant he got a Nobel Prize in economics.

Amusingly for the argument, Goldman Sachs has an entire Wikipedia page just for the financial scandals their brilliant people caused. See here to refresh your memory. Bottom line, their job is to entice investment in whatever bit of cleverness the quants just came up with; each week they’re trained in whatever the hot new thing is, then turned loose on their client lists. So if their people are pushing it, I’d be concerned enough to investigate more deeply than otherwise — what they really do is create black swans.

As an aside to Vespasian Ebboting9735 — I’m very sorry you had problems as a result of using your real name here.

Matt: Pride and Prejudice! Austen is a personal favourite — I even have her collected juvenilia. :-)

If the dollar does end up losing its position as the world’s dominant currency, it will be the natural consequence of our politicians choosing deficit spending for almost the entire post-World War II period, coupled with the recent fad for driving manufacturing and mining offshore. And so it will be a learning experience for all involved. On the other hand, a variant on Churchill’s "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" comes to mind. In this case, if the Republicans can rein in President Biden’s team at the national level after the November election as they’ve been increasingly doing in the states, I don’t see either Russia or China being attractive beyond the short term for all sorts of structural and cultural reasons, leaving the U.S. as the safest refuge regardless of the clearly apparent problems.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-04-04 17:41||   2022-04-04 17:41|| Front Page Top

#51 One more top Wall Street economist is predicting the end of Bretton Woods II. Credit Suisse's Zoltan Pozsar was one of the smartest people at the US Treasury and he expects another break, similar to the end of the original Bretton Woods regime when President Richard Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard.

"Bretton Woods III" will be based on commodities instead of the dollar. The Russian central bank officials are already thinking three steps ahead, stockpiling gold and preparing to make the ruble into a hard currency backed by Russia's very large gold reserves. Russia is effectively arbitraging the sanctions.
Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 18:06||   2022-04-04 18:06|| Front Page Top

#52 Russia's "very large gold reserves" are 2,295 tons.
Germany: 3,359 tons
USA: 8,133 tons

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/156673/umfrage/laender-mit-den-groessten-goldreserven/
Posted by European Conservative 2022-04-04 19:24||   2022-04-04 19:24|| Front Page Top

#53 And currently, your rible will buy you some borscht in Mocow, but not a dollar (inless you pay the black market rate).

We've seen this movie in Venezuela.
Posted by European Conservative 2022-04-04 19:28||   2022-04-04 19:28|| Front Page Top

#54 The Eagle Who Crowed Down the Sun

"For gawd's sake, don't make Putin pay f--"
"For the dollar is going away!"
"So shake a leg, Kamalot--"
"And make us an omelet!"
"We're gonna be trolling all, uh, day!"
[imperial Heckle and Peckle]
Posted by Craviper Jeamble3034 2022-04-04 19:28||   2022-04-04 19:28|| Front Page Top

#55 ruble rather... or rubble
Posted by European Conservative 2022-04-04 19:28||   2022-04-04 19:28|| Front Page Top

#56 EC, I walked past my bank in the US today, and to my surprise there was not a long line of Americans trying to exchange their dollars for rubles. I suppose we're just ignorant.
Posted by Matt 2022-04-04 19:43||   2022-04-04 19:43|| Front Page Top

#57 And from our fine line of budget tombstones...

Economists are awful smart
And so to them I prayed
Instead of gawd's all-knowing heart.
Go tell them how I paid!
Posted by Craviper Jeamble3034 2022-04-04 19:44||   2022-04-04 19:44|| Front Page Top

#58 No one here understands basic monetary or macroeconomics. The key is debt relative to gold reserves and the value of those gold reserves relative to money supply.

The US has a fiat currency and a wildly inflated money supply, which imply that the dollar is poised to lose significant value and decline in world usage over the next several years.

Russia's currency and money supply are backed by the gold ratio that is about 9x greater than the dollar's.

Russian external debt: $400 billion
Russian debt to GDP ratio: 17%
US external debt: $30 trillion
US debt to GDP ratio: 125%

Russian gold reserves to Russian money supply
$140b:$170b = 83% coverage with real gold

US gold reserves to US money supply:
$550b:$6 trillion = 9% coverage with real gold

^ This is why every economist, banker and major investor is preparing for an end to Bretton Woods II.



Posted by Slineling Chusong5031 2022-04-04 20:51||   2022-04-04 20:51|| Front Page Top

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