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2022-03-03 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

'It's going to get worse': If Russia resorts to siege tactics, the Ukraine war could take a horrible turn

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Posted by Besoeker 2022-03-03 09:55|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Yahoo news is still around?

Posted by Chris 2022-03-03 11:49|| 2022-03-03 11:49|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought they'd fold too without Global News Anchor™ Katie Couric

/sarc

Posted by Frank G 2022-03-03 12:13|| 2022-03-03 12:13|| Front Page Top

#3 Our trolls from St. Pete could possibly still have family members who can recall what a city siege is like. Anyone still living deserve one of those Heroes of the Soviet Union medals.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-03 12:42|| 2022-03-03 12:42|| Front Page Top

#4 Only three outcomes now:
1. Russia annihilates Kiev & the remaining holdouts, hangs on to the south and Donbas, departs and leaves the West to clean up the rest
2. Truce and return to Minsk II
3. Miscalculations, escalations & US goes to war with Russia

Posted by Sletch Squank8030 2022-03-03 12:46|| 2022-03-03 12:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Actually and old woman who as a child survived the Leningrad siege was arrested by Russian police because she protested against the war.

Posted by European Conservative 2022-03-03 12:51|| 2022-03-03 12:51|| Front Page Top

#6 "Trolls" LOL
That's what you call your own internal critics. CIA Director Bill Burns? "Troll." U Chicago scholar and world's authority on international relations John Mearsheimer? "Troll!" Kissinger, Albright, George Kennan, Robert Gates are all "trolls."

Keep smoking that crack, little ones. Whatever flatters your illusions and makes you feel better, dudes.

Meanwhile Russian troops have rolled over the south and east, and China is now stepping up and announcing they will help broker a cease-fire:

https://www.ft.com/content/e32aaff8-af24-46e1-8c7c-2a7d09387e45

Posted by Alistaire Tojo4006 2022-03-03 12:52|| 2022-03-03 12:52|| Front Page Top

#7 More accessible:

https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1010761/china-suggests-it-will-be-playing-a-role-in-finding-ceasefire-between

Posted by badanov 2022-03-03 12:55|| 2022-03-03 12:55|| Front Page Top

#8 Wealth management experts just now to HNW investors: Russia can easily manage to hold out against nuclear sanctions for decades, as a "siege" economy, like Iran.

They could have added that every Russian over 35 remembers enduring FAR worse hardship - not coincidentally, during the 1990s.

There's literally nothing the US can do to Russia that compares to the decade-long nightmare of economic devastation and social ruin that the Russian people endured between 1991 and 1999.

Posted by George Turkeyneck7906 2022-03-03 12:59|| 2022-03-03 12:59|| Front Page Top

#9 "We wuz a Victim. Again!"

Posted by Frank G 2022-03-03 13:10|| 2022-03-03 13:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Russia can easily manage to hold out against nuclear sanctions for decades, as a "siege" economy

Check their birth rates? In the west there is a corollary between future expectations and birth rates. Not to be confused with inner city subsidies of the like.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-03 13:12|| 2022-03-03 13:12|| Front Page Top

#11 Y'know... shit, I actually think all those bureaucratic chicken####ers like Gates and Kissinger and Burns (head of the CIA? Those people a late relative of mine said should be arrested and tried for impersonating an intelligence agency?) _are_ trolls.

They kneecapped American industry in such a fashion as to make Putin a billion dollars a day and they pretend they're the Anti-Putin resistance.

Yep, Trolls.

At least the St. Petersburg Trolls, however misguided, are trolling for what they think are their own side.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-03-03 13:29|| 2022-03-03 13:29|| Front Page Top

#12 If they read what we're writing, they might actually get a clue as to how to write more effective, targeted propaganda, but their job is to post, not to respond.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-03-03 13:30|| 2022-03-03 13:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Stop being an idiot. There are thousands of intelligent knowledgeable expert voices questioning the ridiculous narratives being pushed on you now.

Go to Unherd. Go to substack. Listen to Carlson, Hanson, the guys at Claremont.

You're being played. Quit being such a tool and get out of your bubble

Posted by Black Charlie Jusomp8128 2022-03-03 13:46|| 2022-03-03 13:46|| Front Page Top

#14 Link above doesn't work. Go to Wall St Journal
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-01/card/china-says-ukraine-foreign-minister-sought-help-to-negotiate-cease-fire-with-russia-cBIgLNzZEpDxCsmzy20N

China Says Ukraine Foreign Minister Sought Help to Negotiate Cease-Fire With Russia
By Liyan Qi

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba urged his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi to help mediate a cease-fire with Russia during a phone call Tuesday, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s website.

Mr. Wang said China supported a negotiated solution to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and “supports all constructive international efforts that are conducive to a political solution,” according to the ministry.

During the phone call, Mr. Wang reiterated Beijing’s stance in respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries.

Mr. Wang expressed dismay at the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, saying China is “extremely concerned about harm to civilians,” according to the statement.

Beijing signed a statement of solidarity with Russian President Vladimir Putin early last month, but has also tried to keep some distance from Moscow after it launched its assault on Ukraine, while accusing the U.S. of inflaming tensions. Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Friday said he supported negotiations between Russia and Ukraine.

Posted by Slats Gurly-Brown5994 2022-03-03 13:50|| 2022-03-03 13:50|| Front Page Top

#15 So now, because US policy makers ignored their own experts and poured high octane gasoline all over Ukraine, China is stepping into the role of nature and responsible global leader who reduces tensions.

As opposed to creating chaos, war and devastation in every volatile situation it touches.

How fucking embarrassing. China, now the lone adult in the room.

Posted by Gliling Smith9535 2022-03-03 13:55|| 2022-03-03 13:55|| Front Page Top

#16 Two men are standing in line in Russia
One says to the other "What is this line for?"

"Toilet paper" his friend replies.

"I'm SICK of these endless lines just to get the basic needs of life! ", he says. "I'm going to go kill Putin."

He leaves, but comes back within a couple of hours. His friend is still standing in line for toilet paper. "Why are you back?", he asks. "Did you kill Putin?"

"No", the man replies, "The line for that was longer than this one!"

Posted by Matt 2022-03-03 13:55|| 2022-03-03 13:55|| Front Page Top

#17 Just going to throw this out there.

China is the fight promoter.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-03-03 14:12|| 2022-03-03 14:12|| Front Page Top

#18 China with clueless Biden's help will drag out the finalization of the cease fire long enough for Russia to capture Mariupol and draw the noise even more tightly around Kiev and Kharkov.

Then we're back to Minsk II. Only now, instead of Ukraine having an intact country and an American protector, they've lost all the southern and eastern territories, their dam that prevented water for Crimea has been destroyed, and half their country is wrecked. And thousands of their people have been killed.

With China as the new global leader, the only mature, adult rational great power left.

I seriously cannot believe America is trying for this outcome. Americans have been played for fools. Yet again.

Posted by Injun Elmurt4684 2022-03-03 14:35|| 2022-03-03 14:35|| Front Page Top

#19 Russian stock trader drinks to the death of the market, says he's going to go back to "working as a Santa Claus." Must see video

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-03-03 15:41|| 2022-03-03 15:41|| Front Page Top

#20 Great. Now the 50 Cent Party is chiming in.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-03-03 16:17|| 2022-03-03 16:17|| Front Page Top

#21 That B Fitty Cent Crew.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-03-03 16:34|| 2022-03-03 16:34|| Front Page Top

#22 Buck Fiddy now...

Posted by Glenmore 2022-03-03 16:57|| 2022-03-03 16:57|| Front Page Top

#23 Ukraine previously asked Israel to help to intercede with Russia and facilitate negotiations. But as we see in the other post, Russia’s position is fixed, not open to negotiation — Ukraine asking China to help isn’t going to change anything. Separately, China expects to be the sole hegemon standing at the end, with all including America and Russia prostrate at her feet.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-03 17:34|| 2022-03-03 17:34|| Front Page Top

#24 Yah, China. Sure they'll help. Right now the Chinese generals are throwing the sticks to see who gets which oblast. Your English is pretty good, Ivan. How's your Mandarin? Keep this up and you're going to need it.

Posted by Mercutio 2022-03-03 18:54|| 2022-03-03 18:54|| Front Page Top

#25 "Ivan" LOL

You're so fucking clueless you can't even distinguish friend from foe.

Then again, you morons probably wanted this to happen. What other explanation is there for ignoring the best advice of your wisest men for 25 years and doing exactly what they told you would provoke Russia into starting a devastating war?

Posted by Vinegar Cletle8506 2022-03-03 19:04|| 2022-03-03 19:04|| Front Page Top

#26 The Trollish seem desperate. It's sad to see. I'll stop reading now.

Posted by JHH 2022-03-03 19:14|| 2022-03-03 19:14|| Front Page Top

#27 Russia's fourth rate army makes Iraq's republican guard look world class.

Posted by Slappy 2022-03-03 19:16|| 2022-03-03 19:16|| Front Page Top

#28 While you weren't looking... Now Biden's man in Vienna are abandoning another ally.

Care to guess who's support Team Biden is desperate to have in order to close JCPOA?

(Hint: guava wee tee pah woo ski?)

https://mobile.twitter.com/GLNoronha/status/1499018795926626305

Posted by Snusogum Gray4063 2022-03-03 19:44|| 2022-03-03 19:44|| Front Page Top

#29 That’s whose, Snusogum Gray4063, not who’s. You might as well improve your Emglish while you’re here

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-03 21:16|| 2022-03-03 21:16|| Front Page Top

#30 Not on "his" scorecard?

Posted by Frank G 2022-03-03 21:21|| 2022-03-03 21:21|| Front Page Top

#31 sorry I'm from Bollywood
🎸no life without (flailing) wife 🎺

Posted by Hupavise Smith8594 2022-03-03 21:22|| 2022-03-03 21:22|| Front Page Top

#32 Remember this one?

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-03 21:58|| 2022-03-03 21:58|| Front Page Top

#33 (Hint: guava wee tee pah woo ski?)

https://youtu.be/xvKTMyQtplU

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-03-03 22:03|| 2022-03-03 22:03|| Front Page Top

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