Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Wed 02/16/2022 View Tue 02/15/2022 View Mon 02/14/2022 View Sun 02/13/2022 View Sat 02/12/2022 View Fri 02/11/2022 View Thu 02/10/2022
1
2022-02-16 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
The Arctic Could See Ice-Free Summers By 2035, Reshaping Global Shipping Routes
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by Raj 2022-02-16 10:34|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ]  Top

#1 Don't worry. As 2035 approaches and there is still lots of ice, they'll push back the date. They always do.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-02-16 11:06||   2022-02-16 11:06|| Front Page Top

#2 Aaaaaand now the pivot from the failed and dying COVIDiocy hysteria back to the gerbil worming hysteria. "Science!"
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-02-16 11:09||   2022-02-16 11:09|| Front Page Top

#3 13 more years?
Ah'm not gonna worry.
Posted by Skidmark 2022-02-16 11:35||   2022-02-16 11:35|| Front Page Top

#4 "Many Russian officials are very quick to jump on the fact that Arctic sea routes are potentially much more useful for avoiding the kind of bottlenecks that one would see in either Panama or Suez Canal," said Marc Lanteigne, associate professor of political science at the Arctic University of Norway.

...My concern there is that if the Russians bet on this happening - and it doesn't - they're going to be pi$$ed enough to try and make it happen anyways.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-02-16 11:39||   2022-02-16 11:39|| Front Page Top

#5 the arctic doesn't need to be free of ice to allow late summer, early fall transit from the N Atlantic to the N Pacific

it just needs the thicker ice to stay about 30 miles or so from the continent

we've already had a few summers in which this occurred

Posted by Lord Garth 2022-02-16 11:50||   2022-02-16 11:50|| Front Page Top

#6 I love it. Al Gore would be proud. The world is gonna end in 12 years. Reset.
Posted by 49 Pan 2022-02-16 11:56||   2022-02-16 11:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Russian leaders have always dreamed of a warm water sea port. Wouldn't hold my breath though.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-02-16 12:03||   2022-02-16 12:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Could you build a hovercraft capable of carrying large amounts of cargo? Could such a beast travel safely over arctic ice?

Could you economically construct a container ship the same way they construct ice-breakers?

If the area is so valuable for shipping how come nobody is talking about alternatives?
Posted by ruprecht 2022-02-16 13:28||   2022-02-16 13:28|| Front Page Top

#9 
Posted by Skidmark 2022-02-16 13:36||   2022-02-16 13:36|| Front Page Top

#10 I don't know much about hovercraft but the physics of lifting 200,000 tons seems, well, difficult.

As for a combo cargo/ice breakers, that is certainly possible but the problem is that going through ice slows the vessel down a lot. The Russians have some of the best ice breakers and they rarely go more than 7 mph in ice.
Posted by Lord Garth 2022-02-16 14:07||   2022-02-16 14:07|| Front Page Top

#11 
#8 I'm pretty sure artic ice is not a surface you can operate a hover craft.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-02-16 14:09||   2022-02-16 14:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Seem to remember hearing this in High School, about 2020.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-02-16 14:31||   2022-02-16 14:31|| Front Page Top

#13 Not holding my breath.
Posted by Angstrom 2022-02-16 14:33||   2022-02-16 14:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Interesting coincidence in the date. A 1999 Russian study on the hydrology of glacier runoff in the Himalayans said if warming continued unabated, 'glaciers might remain in compact areas by 2350."

Not good enough for the IPCC, who cited it in their 2009 (?) report as Himalayan glaciers 'completely disappeared by 2035' - a 315 year 'advancement' of the 'science'.

As long-ago Rantburger Seafarious said, "What's wrong with a little lysdexia?"
Posted by Bobby 2022-02-16 15:49||   2022-02-16 15:49|| Front Page Top

#15 And every year we'll get to read about a ship full of Greens protesting the shrinking ice needing to be rescued because there was too much ice for their ship to handle.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-02-16 18:10||   2022-02-16 18:10|| Front Page Top

#16 Another 10 - 20 climate doom prediction
Posted by NN2N1  2022-02-16 20:51||   2022-02-16 20:51|| Front Page Top

23:43 Chealing Chomotle4158
23:12 Anomalous Sources
23:04 Anomalous Sources
23:00 Anomalous Sources
21:51 49 Pan
21:44 Merrick Ferret
20:51 NN2N1
20:13 Thing From Snowy Mountain
19:18 Croque Fliting8030
18:56 jpal
18:25 NoMoreBS
18:19 Marilyn Omusotch3114
18:10 Rob Crawford
17:59 swksvolFF
17:52 swksvolFF
17:49 NoMoreBS
17:49 Merrick Ferret
17:45 swksvolFF
17:43 M. Murcek
17:38 Merrick Ferret
17:27 KBK
17:17 Beavis
17:08 swksvolFF
16:48 Merrick Ferret









Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com