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2022-01-13 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Woodrow 2022-01-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 i guess he had his time...

Posted by 746 2022-01-13 01:28|| 2022-01-13 01:28|| Front Page Top

#2 End of an era. Step aside, OM. Thank you.

DeSantis - Carlson 2024

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 01:30|| 2022-01-13 01:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Many Americans are anti vaccine. Some politicians on the right do not want to step on their toes. You will never find a person who can get to the very core of such subjects like Trump can.

Desantis is a professional politician. Trump you is not.

Trump was elected TWICE because people are tired of professional politicians who all eventually corrupted. Even Desantis is being political about this topic as we speak.

Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2022-01-13 03:27|| 2022-01-13 03:27|| Front Page Top

#4 argued that it saved tens of millions of lives globally.

You can't prove a negative. Asserting that any particular person didn't die "because of the vaccine" is utter bullgarb.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 03:44|| 2022-01-13 03:44|| Front Page Top

#5 THIS is why the Left never worries about the Right. People on the Right viciously turn on each other.

Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2022-01-13 03:47|| 2022-01-13 03:47|| Front Page Top

#6 Yes, the right tends to toss out its sexual predators, mountebanks and poltroons while the dems circle the wagons until they absolutely must give up. Seems to me Trump is the one doing all the trash talking on other pubs. Do some of them deserve it? No doubt. Is it an honorable way to politick? Hell no.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 03:56|| 2022-01-13 03:56|| Front Page Top

#7 (Commonwealth Fund) JULY 7, 2021 Deaths and Hospitalizations Averted by Rapid U.S. Vaccination Rollout.

People who spread false information by saying the vaccines are not effect are endangering the lives of others.

Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2022-01-13 04:04|| 2022-01-13 04:04|| Front Page Top

#8 Deaths and Hospitalizations Averted by Rapid U.S. Vaccination Rollout.

That can be asserted. It cannot be proved.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 04:07|| 2022-01-13 04:07|| Front Page Top

#9 I stand with Trump.

Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2022-01-13 06:27|| 2022-01-13 06:27|| Front Page Top

#10 And the knives come out for Trump, because he listens to data not anecdotes.

This is why we lose -- your imaginary ideological purity is more important than your actual liberty.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-01-13 06:44|| 2022-01-13 06:44|| Front Page Top

#11 Trump is in the high risk category. I don't blame him from doing it. He's adult enough to know the odds. He hasn't forced any mandates.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-01-13 07:31|| 2022-01-13 07:31|| Front Page Top

#12 He's a rough old bastid and a survivor. I thought everyone knew that. Personalities aside, at the end of the day, surviving is the key.

He knew what the Chinese were up to and did his best to bring back lost manufacturing. He also kept the Russian at arm's length. Iran and the Norks were never quite sure what steps he might take to totally fok up their day.

Like I said, he's a rough old bastid.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-01-13 07:42|| 2022-01-13 07:42|| Front Page Top

#13 I find myself thinking, it's a year after the introduction of the vaccines with no change in the overall death rate from covid per year.

THAT'S the data. And it strongly hints that the vax is useless.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2022-01-13 08:13|| 2022-01-13 08:13|| Front Page Top

#14 /\ THAT'S the data. And it strongly hints that the vax is useless.

If it serves as a confirmation, the VAX is in fact a gov't program.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-01-13 08:18|| 2022-01-13 08:18|| Front Page Top

#15 But telling a vax fanatic that it doesn't work is like telling some people you don't like dogs. they foam at the mouth and then start telling you that you aren't human and should die.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 08:21|| 2022-01-13 08:21|| Front Page Top

#16 People who spread false information by saying the vaccines are not effect are endangering the lives of others.
Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454

What?

Posted by Vespasian Ebboting9735 2022-01-13 08:22|| 2022-01-13 08:22|| Front Page Top

#17 Full-on parody at this point...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 08:25|| 2022-01-13 08:25|| Front Page Top

#18 There is only one Savior.

Not Trump
Not Cotton Eyed Joe Bidet
Not Fauxi
Not Pfizer
Not Moderna
Not J&J
Not "Dr." Guabera at WHO
Not Shifty Eyes Walensky at CDC
And, no, Missy, not your dog either...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 09:25|| 2022-01-13 09:25|| Front Page Top

#19 They're now admitting that the data was botched. Incomplete, inconsistent, inaccurate. 'With,' not 'from.'

Shifting definitions. No randomized trials with proper controls anywhere. Confounding variables all over the place.

None of the alternate hypotheses - high sugar / diabetes as the key co-morbidity for ex. - none of these were explored.

They suppressed effective treatments and vilified world-class experts who dared to point out any of the above inconvenient facts or suggest that maybe burning down the house to kill a rat was insane policy.

They have never, ever admitted that they do not have all the answers and that they've made grievous mistakes. Instead they said that criticism of them was tantamount to denying or attacking "science."

Fauci and the other COVIDian clowns are simply destroying us and our democratic republic. They have made every possible error.

They are mendacious clowns who deserve only scorn. And possibly prison sentences, or exile to a remote island.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 09:42|| 2022-01-13 09:42|| Front Page Top

#20 But if you abjure the sacrement (vaxx) and vestment (mask) of COVID, you are a murderer. No discussion, no reasoning. Pure, apoplectic fury.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 09:45|| 2022-01-13 09:45|| Front Page Top

#21 Many times, mass groups of people who become emotionally invested in a lie, upon the uncovering of the lie, they are not angry at the liar(s) but at the reality that exposed the lie.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 09:53|| 2022-01-13 09:53|| Front Page Top

#22 The bottom line is that we can trust none of their official data -- not for cases, not for fatalities, not for side effects, neither for the vaxxed nor for the unvaxxed -- none of it.

They are literally making this shit up as they go. Flying blind.

And we saw this coming back in March 2020, when they distorted and misconstrued the incontrovertible data from that quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship. That was a perfect controlled trial, with an elderly population in the most contagious environment short of an orgy, confined for two weeks, and the case fatality rate was exactly what the skeptics expected and what we now know is true: 0.3%.

This thing was never as deadly as they claimed. This whole farcical episode was a totally avoidable catastrophe of deliberate malfeasance. Worst in modern history. Fvck these clowns.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 09:54|| 2022-01-13 09:54|| Front Page Top

#23 ^ My point exactly. Assertions are not proof of anything. It's not even a case of "if they had proof." There's no way to prove that I did or did not die of COVID because I did or did not drink Mt. Dew. There's no way to prove or disprove that I am alive right now because of the vaxx. No. Way.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 09:57|| 2022-01-13 09:57|| Front Page Top

#24 And for those who say that sometimes logic and reason must be suspended, because reasons, I will not even dignify that assertion with a response.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:00|| 2022-01-13 10:00|| Front Page Top

#25 In true tinpot dictator fashion they spread vicious, ridiculous lies about all the brilliant scientists who opposed them.

They're trying to destroy that skeptic who's one of their own -- the Nobel shortlist inventor of the mRNA treatment itself.

They slandered the man who gave the world science about science and alerted us to the ways that so many of modern biomedical conclusions are simply false, their methods faulty and their conclusions unreliable.

They created a vicious propaganda campaign which claimed that three world class epidemiologists -- from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford -- who dared to suggest that we should focus on the elderly and leave the kids alone were somehow "fringe" scientists.

They have ignored their own peers from Yale and Berkeley and across the elite world of academic epidemiology who've pointed out that this is endemic, not a pandemic, and that forcing anyone under 60 to take their ineffective jabs -- again and again and again, from here to eternity -- goes against every principle of wise policy.

Zero credibility and zero excuses at this point.

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 10:08|| 2022-01-13 10:08|| Front Page Top

#26 ^ But, you are contradicting something Missy heard her dog say at 3 am. Murderer!

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:11|| 2022-01-13 10:11|| Front Page Top

#27 Re: #25. Of course the ones who excelled at becoming administrative wh0res despise the ones that do actual science. Of course they are going to stomp them down in favor of good drones who bring in the grant money. And that gets us the results we are looking at right now.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:14|| 2022-01-13 10:14|| Front Page Top

#28 Never go to a doctor who has a medical and a law degree. Never use an investment counselor who got a JD and decided not to practice law.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:25|| 2022-01-13 10:25|| Front Page Top

#29 And the rest of all y'all can wait until 2028. We'll keep our governor for his full second term.

- Florida

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:34|| 2022-01-13 10:34|| Front Page Top

#30 So let me get this right....DeSantis, on his own accord and in line with how he views his health, has had some shots, but is not forcing people to have them?

Leading voice of the Free States isn't exactly gutless. Kind of the opposite really.

Not sure this is the right tack here Trump; really need to be all together here vs. Leviathan.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 10:47|| 2022-01-13 10:47|| Front Page Top

#31 But when Trump agrees with Missy's dog, Missy is all-in.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 10:49|| 2022-01-13 10:49|| Front Page Top

#32 Trump can only serve one more term. the question is, would it be advantageous for Desantes to be VP for that term or better to keep being America's Governor.

Posted by ruprecht 2022-01-13 12:21|| 2022-01-13 12:21|| Front Page Top

#33 Considering the whole project could break up, we would rather keep him here in Florida, working for us.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 12:28|| 2022-01-13 12:28|| Front Page Top

#34 Fauxi now two points below Bidet in approval. A sign the man in the street is not stupid.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 13:06|| 2022-01-13 13:06|| Front Page Top

#35 You really are a know nothing. The vaccines do not prevent one from having COViD. The vaccines increase ones chances of surviving COVID dramatically.

Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2022-01-13 13:14|| 2022-01-13 13:14|| Front Page Top

#36 I know that's what they say. And, yeah, thanks for letting me know who you are with your lame insult.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 13:23|| 2022-01-13 13:23|| Front Page Top

#37 There it is. I know nothing, because I don't buy the gummint line. Please see above: They can claim that the "vaccine" lessens your chance of being hospitalized or dying but they cannot prove that. Cannot. Prove That.

That's not emotional investment on my part. That's just a scientific fact. It isn't Science™ so it can be discounted by people who roll that way. But it does not change the reality.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 13:52|| 2022-01-13 13:52|| Front Page Top

#38 Fauxi's approval is below Joe's today. Lot of know-nothings out there...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 13:57|| 2022-01-13 13:57|| Front Page Top

#39 There was not enough time to gather evidence before the vax unrolled to make a decent qualitative estimate* about decreasing covid severities.

The only solid evidence we do have concerning less severe cases, is that all those most susceptible have run the gauntlet or have died, and they are no longer doing any of those activities. Therefore, it seems like new cases are less severe because those testing positive have a functioning immune system.

*and that information is so cluttered by number padding any deduction is sketchy

Just an observer here, not pro or anti vax. Whatever decision you make just remember, to riff the breakfast joke the other day, the TV people are involved, you are committed.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 14:09|| 2022-01-13 14:09|| Front Page Top

#40 Also, the thick fog of mutancy bullshit. Didn't the flu tend to mutate once a year? Well, it's an old virus and not made in china. Who can say? Certainly not a know nothing like me.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 14:14|| 2022-01-13 14:14|| Front Page Top

#41 Remember when g(r)om used to call some of us childish? Good times...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 14:16|| 2022-01-13 14:16|| Front Page Top

#42 Proud flat earth science! denier for 18 months now, accordingly. Also have a decent batting average IMHO. Difference is, I'm not hoping people die for I Told You So.

Know plenty of people who got the shot because they were In The Danger Zone. Some even got a booster, because some vaccinations need that.

By second booster lots of getdafukouttaheres. Third booster, lots of Did I Take the Wrong Interstate Exit? faces.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 14:37|| 2022-01-13 14:37|| Front Page Top

#43 I took the first J&J shot and loaded to the safe limit on aspirin for 2 weeks afterwards because of clot worries. No damn way I'm taking any boosters. Because I know nothing!

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 14:39|| 2022-01-13 14:39|| Front Page Top

#44 I've always wanted to be a murderer. Now I get to do it without, you know, actually killing anyone. Not exciting, but I already notched my belt because CNN and USAToday said I could.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 14:41|| 2022-01-13 14:41|| Front Page Top

#45 An informed medical decision based on needs and wants, as it should be.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 14:46|| 2022-01-13 14:46|| Front Page Top

#46 What? You wouldn't prefer to just do it because of social pressure and derision from people who mistakenly believe they know something?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 14:50|| 2022-01-13 14:50|| Front Page Top

#47 SCOTUS says OSHA does not have authority to mandate vaccines. Missy's dog says "Please don't kick me again."

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:04|| 2022-01-13 15:04|| Front Page Top

#48 Let's not forget, OSHA's initial stand on mandatory shots was that if there were side effects, the employer was responsible for damages.

Then there started being reports about possible side effects, and Science! was like, nah, takes two weeks for immunity to set in, what you got is from Covid.

Now they are all OSHA gonna make you do it, and shots actually were always intended to lesson symptoms.

But nah, no credibility problems here.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 15:13|| 2022-01-13 15:13|| Front Page Top

#49 SCROTUS said vax mandates for health care workers might fly. Ready to go to a hospital where a nursing school drop-out who was willing to take the vax to get a job is taking care of you?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:22|| 2022-01-13 15:22|| Front Page Top

#50 Five no-nothings on SCOTUS, obviously...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:38|| 2022-01-13 15:38|| Front Page Top

#51 The arbiter of who knows is absent for a while now. Scooping Missy's dog's poop, no doubt.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:40|| 2022-01-13 15:40|| Front Page Top

#52 Time better spent asking the vax history of these decision makers.

AOC, where are her papers, eh?

And why they are not responsible for any shot side effects caused by federal mandates.

Asking for the early 40s regional EMT who died of unexpected heart failure....COD labeled Covid.

Don't give me the Oh they can just get a different job bull. This was a legally operating business from when they hired on until an hour ago. New people hiring on, guess they know the score, but me, I"d be like Jobu says up yours.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 15:47|| 2022-01-13 15:47|| Front Page Top

#53 Perhaps the mildness of Omicron is not about vaccines or about Omicron.

Perhaps the mildness is just Covid (when you don't have 4 or so co-morbidities, the hospitals know what to do regarding a bad case, and the journalists and gov are no longer trying to scare the crap out of people because they hope to revive Biden's poll numbers).

Posted by ruprecht 2022-01-13 15:47|| 2022-01-13 15:47|| Front Page Top

#54 ^ this

Omicron, n. = from Greek, "the sniffles"

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 15:53|| 2022-01-13 15:53|| Front Page Top

#55 Even with the Science! cabal suppressing legitimate therapeutics, if you are diabetic, they will dietarily and otherwise minimize that co-morbidity. You can bet the sort of docs my dad used to call "intensivists" have some protocols in place now.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:58|| 2022-01-13 15:58|| Front Page Top

#56 They haven't banned insulin. Too much money involved compared to ivermectin and HCQ.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 15:59|| 2022-01-13 15:59|| Front Page Top

#57 Ooooooh, where's that b(a)rnsmell?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-13 16:02|| 2022-01-13 16:02|| Front Page Top

#58 You wouldn't prefer to just do it because of social pressure and derision from people who mistakenly believe they know something?

Guess I'm the poster child for doing everything wrong according to the CDC. Polite company I am a Control Group.

-does creepy Joe whisper-
I still shake hands. Never quit. Laughed at a guy trying to give me the chicken wing.
-normal-
Even talked face to face with those who were sick and tested positive. Without a mask. Less than 6 feet. Like a person instead of some leper. They were feeling bad enough, like they got The Black Spot socially, and that is square on the TV people and they can eat shit now that they are, like Billy Madison, all the cool kids do it.

Didn't tempt fate - washed hands before eating, kept hands off the T-Zone, washed up after visitors especially the pens and those who had sniffles and no self control. Just didn't let myself get shoved around and if you think grom was pushy, shit I have stories about my wife's thoughts. Broke her when I mentioned she was watching the news like a sports jock junky watches the super bowl event.

Ultimately, I did what was right for me, considering I thought I had already had it in February. And if not, go into it with a healthy lifestyle, good attitude, and active immune system.

Locking people in their house, living on delivered junk food, while broadcasting fear and shame on all media sources was just brutal to watch and I hope you all are at least half as pissed as I was.

We knew getting it wasn't much fun, even deadly. We also knew it was totally out of proportion and sure enough, the losers and petty tyrants took advantage of it.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 18:59|| 2022-01-13 18:59|| Front Page Top

#59 I do the fistbump after watching too many men leave the restroom without washing their hands...for the last 20 years. Not COVID-related, just common sense

Posted by Frank G 2022-01-13 19:32|| 2022-01-13 19:32|| Front Page Top

#60 We're either already covered in piss, trusting a clean hand for a binding deal, or cut palms to share blood and go Pawnee on some motherfuckers.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 19:47|| 2022-01-13 19:47|| Front Page Top

#61 And use those Dyson hyperspeed hand dryers.

Me? I don't pee on my hand.

Posted by KBK 2022-01-13 19:51|| 2022-01-13 19:51|| Front Page Top

#62 Meaning: Dysons areosolize virus.

Posted by KBK 2022-01-13 19:52|| 2022-01-13 19:52|| Front Page Top

#63 Regardless Trump surfed over all the Vac deaths-murders and that is a fricking deal breaker for me.

Posted by Woodrow 2022-01-13 19:54|| 2022-01-13 19:54|| Front Page Top

#64 Trump was not the Messiah.
More like John the Orange Baptist.

His work is done here. Move along now. Maybe sell orange NFTs?

Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-13 20:47|| 2022-01-13 20:47|| Front Page Top

#65 Unprovoked own-goal, or Washington Examiner injecting DeSantis into this interview?

For those who have seen the entire interview: Was DeSantis mentioned outside of this 40 second clip, specifically before the clip or lead-up to the interview?

Seems Washington Examiner is referencing a December DeSantis interview and using stock wedge phrases.

Just trying to stay as lawful-neutral as when examining Covid problems as what is medical and what is political.

*Hand-shake culture out here, and calving season to boot, so we know from an early age to wash before eating or don't complain about getting a taint.

Fun game. If at a meeting, especially hand shakes before or expected after a meeting, wait for that one member, and there is always one it seems, to fiddle with every treat on the plate, look around to see who is disgusted and who grabs a treat afterwards. Its a good tell.

**Those air dryers are a contributing reason why touch screens have the taint. Second would be people diddling on their phones in the crapper, finishing the job, washing their hands proper, just to go touching their screen again. Remember waaaay back when The New Yorker tried to make a famous cover of an overworked nurse sitting exhausted, in full gown, playing on her touch screen?

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-01-13 20:57|| 2022-01-13 20:57|| Front Page Top

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