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2021-10-07 Science & Technology

Large Israeli study finds Myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccine extremely rare

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-10-07 03:20|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 I'm sure that's comfort to the people that experince it.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2021-10-07 11:00|| 2021-10-07 11:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Eggs → omelet.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-10-07 11:19|| 2021-10-07 11:19|| Front Page Top

#3 Liar. The risk is an order of magnitude higher for boys and young men.

Here's an honest summation of the key finding:

Researchers find a higher than expected risk of myocarditis in young men after full vaccination

"Males between 16 and 29 years of age have an increased risk of developing heart problems after receiving a second dose of coronavirus vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNtech or Moderna, according to a large new analysis published on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

"The study, conducted in Israel, estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated. That figure is higher than most earlier estimates.

"Boys between 16 and 19 years of age had the highest incidence of myocarditis after the second dose, according to a second study in the journal. The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age."

Posted by Diogenes 2021-10-07 11:30|| 2021-10-07 11:30|| Front Page Top

#4 From the article:

he incidence of myocarditis is 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated, with 98% of them having a mild to moderate disease without any impairment of heart function.
One person suffered from a serious illness that required hospitalization, after which he recovered. The rare side effect occurred more after the second vaccine dose, 69% more than after the first, in men more than in women, and more between the ages of 16 and 29.

So you can both be telling the truth, Diogenes, though it pains me to credit the New York Times in any way ever.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-10-07 13:02|| 2021-10-07 13:02|| Front Page Top

#5 Um... no. The questions are clear and straightforward:

Does the vaccine pose a significant risk to the health of our young men?

Is that risk significantly greater than the risk to unvaccinated young men of being hospitalized with COVID?

The answers are YES and YES.

The risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis to a young man is on the order of 1:10,099.
Per CDC data the risk to unvaccinated young men of being hospitalized with COVID is on the order of 1:50,000.

Whatever one's views on this issue -- I'm not anti-vaccine, myself -- the hard empirical truth is that the Pfizer vax poses a significant risk to the health of our young men that is at least as great as COVID risk. That is undeniable fact.

We will all get along better when and if the extremists stop distorting the data to confirm their pre-existing biases and/or serve their agendas.

Posted by Diogenes 2021-10-07 13:43|| 2021-10-07 13:43|| Front Page Top

#6 You are right, Diogenes, except that the article isn’t making that claim, just that the overall numbers are very low. The toplines, if you will. You are digging into the internal numbers.

There is a difference between lying, with or without statistics, and describing different parts of the elephant.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-10-07 14:21|| 2021-10-07 14:21|| Front Page Top

#7 Since there's a lot of discussion of the costs of COVID, I guess it's worth asking - If a young person at very low risk for COVID winds up needing treatment for myocarditis from age 15 til an early death, won't that maybe cost more than a mild case of COVID?

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-10-07 15:06|| 2021-10-07 15:06|| Front Page Top

#8 #3 Liar Tsk, tsk, tsk

11 of every 100,000

You do understand that 11/100000 = 0.011%, my pithecoid interlocutor?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-10-07 16:05|| 2021-10-07 16:05|| Front Page Top

#9 Btw, lest we let the NYT off the hook, this characterization is misleading:

"The study ...estimated that nearly 11 of every 100,000 males in that age group developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, a few days after having been fully vaccinated. That figure is higher than most earlier estimates."

The official estimate from the CDC itself was about 1:10,000. That was released over the summer and made available on the CDC's own website and disclosed also in the public hearings held over the summer. Many intelligent and data-literate parents of young men saw and remembered this figure, compared it to the historical COVID figures and concluded, reasonably, that the vaccine posed a greater threat to their sons' health than COVID does.

Again, I don't necessarily agree with their choice, but these people's refusal to vaccinate their sons is in this case, based on this empirical data, an entirely RATIONAL and UNDERSTANDABLE decision. Let's stop demonizing them.

Posted by Diogenes 2021-10-07 16:12|| 2021-10-07 16:12|| Front Page Top

#10 won't that maybe cost more than a mild case of COVID?

Holy shit don't tell Kareem Jabar!

Posted by swksvolFF 2021-10-07 18:59|| 2021-10-07 18:59|| Front Page Top

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