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2020-04-23 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Yet Another Top Stanford Doc (frmr. Chief-Neurosci.): "The Data's In: Stop the Panic and End the Total Isolation"

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Posted by Lex 2020-04-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 former chief of neuroradiology

Look at me, I'm important.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-23 02:52|| 2020-04-23 02:52|| Front Page Top

#2 3 week incubation we were told.

It's been 3 weeks.

Open up.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-04-23 05:17|| 2020-04-23 05:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Which data? Here in MN, deaths are spiking.

Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-23 09:23|| 2020-04-23 09:23|| Front Page Top

#4 ^Mercutio, can you give links to detailed (graphical by preference) data - I want to compare it with Old Sweden.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-23 11:04|| 2020-04-23 11:04|| Front Page Top

#5 The spike could easily occur because quarantines are not absolute and many catch it and spread it without symptoms.

This was accounted for with the lowering the curve charts which show the virus lasting longer on the right side of such charts. the point is not to get free of the virus but to limit the overwhelming of hospitals.

Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-23 11:55|| 2020-04-23 11:55|| Front Page Top

#6 What we are really debating, although most don't know it, is how high we can get the curve (and thus reduce the overall time the virus is a fact of our lives) without overwhelming those hospitals.

Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-23 11:57|| 2020-04-23 11:57|| Front Page Top

#7 ^ ... which was achieved.

Remember, one major hospital system in southeast Michigan's now laying off thousands of healthcare employees. NY didn't need all the ventilators it received and sent them to other states. Etc etc

Posted by Lex 2020-04-23 11:58|| 2020-04-23 11:58|| Front Page Top

#8 And of course the people that have already had it is very important to these calculations but they seem generally reluctant to produce those numbers.

Posted by rjschwarz 2020-04-23 11:58|| 2020-04-23 11:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Here's a Q for our brilliant leaders: how many preventable non-COVID deaths do you expect will result from your shuttering your operating rooms and laying off a huge % of your staff? From diverting urgent care away from people at risk of dying from other illnesses?

Have you geniuses even bothered to gather relevant data and do some accurate calculations of the trade-offs?

Why is there zero in the way of any cost-benefit analysis -- none whatsoever, from anyone -- about various policy alternatives during this episode?

Posted by Lex 2020-04-23 12:02|| 2020-04-23 12:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Re #4: Sorry G(r)om, no graph - try these two links for text/tabular display:

one - about halfway down page

and two

County by county map paints in very slow about half way thru the article

Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-23 15:20|| 2020-04-23 15:20|| Front Page Top

#11 ^Gracias

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-23 15:38|| 2020-04-23 15:38|| Front Page Top

#12 #10 This very bad - unprotected medical personnel.

Approximately 11 percent of Minnesota’s COVID-19 cases are health care workers who were exposed to the virus on the job

So far, the state has received 409,000 N95 masks, but only distributed 32,000 and is waiting for 1.6 million more.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-23 15:43|| 2020-04-23 15:43|| Front Page Top

#13 ^And it's just starting.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-23 15:44|| 2020-04-23 15:44|| Front Page Top

#14 And the DonkGov just announced "limited" re-opening - Jeebus, Walz, read the damn numbers.

Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-23 20:26|| 2020-04-23 20:26|| Front Page Top

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