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2020-04-12 Science & Technology
COVID-19 Patients Given Unproven Drug In Texas Nursing Home In ‘Disconcerting' Move.
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-12 03:07|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ]  Top

#1 Incidentally. The reason formal trials include placebo is to account for "faith healing" (sick people tend to grasp at straws).
Roughly speaking.
(1) Patients on placebo doing as good as patients on medication. Then the medicine is useless but harmless.
(2) Patients on placebo doing better than patients on medication. Then the medicine is useless and harmful.
(3) Patients on placebo doing worse than patients on medication. Then the medicine is useful.

Now this guy used HCQ on everybody, but some of the patients don't know they are given HCQ (cause nursing home, dementia). Lets denote the two groups by Told and Not told, and 0 none given (another nursing home). Let '>=' be greater or equal, and let '=<' be less or equal
(a) T >= N > 0 : the medicine is useful, some faith healing.
(b) T >= N = 0 : the medicine is useless but harmless.
(c) max{T,N} < 0: the medicine is harmful
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-12 03:44||   2020-04-12 03:44|| Front Page Top

#2 if you can save 55 out of 56 infected residents of a nursing home who had Wu, that is pretty damn good
Posted by lord garth 2020-04-12 05:19||   2020-04-12 05:19|| Front Page Top

#3 Sounds like the journalist would prefer they die.
Posted by gorb 2020-04-12 05:47||   2020-04-12 05:47|| Front Page Top

#4 ^Evil HCQ-Trump.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-12 05:55||   2020-04-12 05:55|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh c&*p. Math and logic before I my morning coffee has finished brewing.
Posted by Pheresing Gloque4764 2020-04-12 06:45||   2020-04-12 06:45|| Front Page Top

#6 You just have to wonder if Big Pharma (and Fauci) is behind this HCQ smear campaign. No money in a 70-year-old drug and too many positive accounts about its use. It's disgusting, quite frankly.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-12 08:24||   2020-04-12 08:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Dr. Fauci doesn't cause me much concern. Appears he has his head in the solutions game. The Chinese, they worry me. What happens at Loews, Home Depot, Best Buy, and Target after CV, that really concerns me.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-12 08:32||   2020-04-12 08:32|| Front Page Top

#8 Things won't be the same. It's a shame it took something like this crisis to "expose" the PRC, but we let it happen in a sense. The tea leaves have shown more emphasis on Asia/Pacific in recent years. No wonder. Recently re-watched VP Pence's speech at Hudson Institute from 1-2 years ago. Russia who?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-12 08:40||   2020-04-12 08:40|| Front Page Top

#9 From a western professor currently teaching in Vietnam:

"The only thing better than watching the President talk about chloroquine is listening to reporters who think New Jersey is uncharted wilderness wax poetic about anti-malarial drugs available for pocket change at walk up drug kiosks throughout the developing world"

In other news:

I've been talking a little with an old friend who's convinced that some of the observed racial disparity in how the virus affects its victims is because of vitamin D deficiency.

Based on what I've been reading, zinc may also be a factor.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2020-04-12 11:07||   2020-04-12 11:07|| Front Page Top

#10 Re: Zinc. I've heard good things about it, especially if taken in conjunction with HCQ. I've also read that, by itself, zinc is not efficacious.

Many many people, IMO, are deficient in Vitamin D3. That is an interesting point. Meanwhile, I take D3 supplements everyday; now, they include zinc....just 'cuz.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-12 11:13||   2020-04-12 11:13|| Front Page Top

#11 My doctor told my wife when she went on D3, "Your kidneys process it differently as you get older." Me, being older with damaged kidneys, had started it several years before.
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-12 11:40||   2020-04-12 11:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Armstrong, who is a prominent GOP activist, called Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. He says Patrick reached out to Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes, also a Republican, who knew someone on the board of the New Jersey-based company Amneal Pharmaceuticals.

That's why it's "disconcerting" to NPR.
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-12 11:43||   2020-04-12 11:43|| Front Page Top

#13 Fauci: One does not simply try drugs, even when people are dying.
Posted by Iblis 2020-04-12 12:08||   2020-04-12 12:08|| Front Page Top

#14 Oh, this Fauci putz. Who the hell does he think he is? Screw him.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-12 12:11||   2020-04-12 12:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Headline later this year: Fauci, Gates credibility succumbs despite desperate experimental measures.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-12 13:06||   2020-04-12 13:06|| Front Page Top

#16 Hydroxychloroquine from India arrives at Newark airport
Posted by John Frum 2020-04-12 13:33||   2020-04-12 13:33|| Front Page Top

#17 Hmmm ... Be interesting if India was later determined to have played an important role in this crisis.
Posted by Bobby 2020-04-12 13:49||   2020-04-12 13:49|| Front Page Top

#18 Look at the plane's tail.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-12 13:52||   2020-04-12 13:52|| Front Page Top

#19 Nice catch g(r)om
Posted by Beavis  2020-04-12 13:55||   2020-04-12 13:55|| Front Page Top

#20 Well, there was an account that there was a different strain of this virus that seemed to affect only Indians (and Pakistanis?) and lent some credence to more hanky-panky by the PRC.

India does produce the bulk of the world's supply of HCQ, for sure, but I can't see them doing anything nefarious. But, who knows?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-12 13:55||   2020-04-12 13:55|| Front Page Top

#21 g(r)om El Al did indeed fly the Hydroxychloroquine order from India to the USA
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/4XEDJ/history

Date Aircraft Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration
12-Apr-2020 B789 Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR) Ben Gurion Int'l (TLV / LLBG) 05:49AM EDT 10:30PM IDT 9:41
11-Apr-2020 B789 Ben Gurion Int'l (TLV / LLBG) Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR) 10:01AM IDT 02:23PM EDT 11:21
11-Apr-2020 B789 Juhu (VAJJ) Ben Gurion Int'l (TLV / LLBG) 01:24AM IST 05:54AM IDT 7:00
10-Apr-2020 B789 Ben Gurion Int'l (TLV / LLBG) Chatrapati Shivaji Int'l (BOM / VABB)

Posted by John Frum 2020-04-12 18:32||   2020-04-12 18:32|| Front Page Top

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