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2020-01-09 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
BREAKING: U.S. Officials Confirm Iran Shot Down the Ukrainian Airliner
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 12:26|| || Front Page|| [11139 views ]  Top

#1 Well that is gonna piss away a lot of European cover for them.
Posted by DarthVader 2020-01-09 12:34||   2020-01-09 12:34|| Front Page Top

#2 Shah-khmati.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 12:37||   2020-01-09 12:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Шах и МАТ!!!
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 12:40||   2020-01-09 12:40|| Front Page Top

#4 the euro may try to blame the US

we scared them so much that it made them do it
Posted by lord garth 2020-01-09 12:41||   2020-01-09 12:41|| Front Page Top

#5 U.S. officials confident Iran shot down passenger jet
U.S. officials are confident Iran shot down a Ukrainian jetliner in the hours after the Iranian missile attack on U.S. targets earlier this week, CBS News has learned. The Ukrainian International Airlines plane crashed Wednesday soon after takeoff from Tehran's airport, killing all 176 people on board.

U.S. intelligence picked up signals of a radar being turned on, sources told CBS News. U.S. satellites also detected two surface-to-air missile launches, which happened shortly before the plane exploded, CBS News was told.

Federal officials were briefed on the intelligence Thursday, CBS News transportation Kris Van Cleave reports. A source who was in the briefing said it appears missile components were found near the crash site.
Posted by Gomez Ominter3435 2020-01-09 12:44||   2020-01-09 12:44|| Front Page Top

#6 Well that is gonna piss away a lot of European cover for them.

Nah. Eggs - omelet. Never mind nobody has ever tasted the omelet. Dual use equipment sellers will just fly into Syria and truck it from there.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-09 12:46||   2020-01-09 12:46|| Front Page Top

#7 lord garth is probably right
Posted by Chris 2020-01-09 12:47||   2020-01-09 12:47|| Front Page Top

#8 Time for DJT to rub Zero's nose in it - again.
And again, and again.

Of all the asinine things our Global Grifters have done these last 30 years, that Iran deal was probably the stupidest.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 12:50||   2020-01-09 12:50|| Front Page Top

#9 Confident is not confirmation.

It is much better for everyone to respect the words meanings.
Posted by Spanky Whuter1088 2020-01-09 13:04||   2020-01-09 13:04|| Front Page Top

#10 ^It is to me. And expecting response such as yours - I'm sure they've corroborative evidence.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 13:18||   2020-01-09 13:18|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm confident this is confirmation:
U.S. intelligence picked up signals of a radar being turned on, sources told CBS News. U.S. satellites also detected two surface-to-air missile launches, which happened shortly before the plane exploded, CBS News was told.
Posted by Gomez Ominter3435 2020-01-09 13:21||   2020-01-09 13:21|| Front Page Top

#12 This helps: "obvious projectile holes in the fuselage and a wing section"
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 13:31||   2020-01-09 13:31|| Front Page Top

#13 New footage from CCTV located near the Iranian Army garrison in the flight path:

Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 13:49||   2020-01-09 13:49|| Front Page Top

#14 In the absence of facts, the worst must be assumed. What will aviation insurers do?
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-09 13:50||   2020-01-09 13:50|| Front Page Top

#15 If they have corroborative evidence to upgrade confidence to confirmation then they would have said that.

Stretching things this way risks building a culture like the leftists have. And then reality bites.

I also think that an iIranian SAM was the most probable cause and contrary too many also think that there are non-zero odds that was on propose since the Ayatollahs were expecting an automatic US reaction and a civilian aircraft downed would be pinned to Trump and US if they rained fire on Iranians.
Posted by Spanky Whuter1088 2020-01-09 14:00||   2020-01-09 14:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Fair enough, good points.

tw,

Maybe the title of the post should be changed to "U.S. Officials Confirm Confident Iran Shot Down the Ukrainian Airliner"?
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 14:07||   2020-01-09 14:07|| Front Page Top

#17 NO! YES! OH!
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 14:58||   2020-01-09 14:58|| Front Page Top

#18 I was certain they had shot it down when I saw the unconfirmed Tweet from the Jordanian site.

1. Jordan has competent SIGINT coverage of the area and air defense tracking has a distinctive signature. It's not even hard to find for an experience collector.

2. The plane went down in flames. Seldom happens from natural causes, unless there's a bomb aboard.

3. Timing: It was during the Great Heroic Islamic Tug on the Great Satan's Beard, not the next day or the day before. Proximity doesn't necessarily equal cause and effect, but there are degrees of circumstantial.
Posted by Fred 2020-01-09 15:36||   2020-01-09 15:36|| Front Page Top

#19 Chances content of the black boxes won't be readable: 100%
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 15:43||   2020-01-09 15:43|| Front Page Top

#20 check out flight aware app. You should see the traffic around Iran and the Persian Gulf. And there are a bunch of planes arriving still in Tehran. Insh'Allah, bro.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2020-01-09 15:47||   2020-01-09 15:47|| Front Page Top

#21  NO! YES! OH!

Too funny!

Given the discussion, I’ll leave the original headline. Poor Iran can’t win for losing in this little bit of stupidity they started.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-01-09 15:51||   2020-01-09 15:51|| Front Page Top

#22 RE: #15
I also think that an Iranian SAM was the most probable cause and contrary too many also think that there are non-zero odds that was on propose since the Ayatollahs were expecting an automatic US reaction and a civilian aircraft downed would be pinned to Trump and US if they rained fire on Iranians.

Judging from the huge amount of air traffic, I would expect that operational planning for movements in such congested airspace is a major consideration. I would bet that Iranian military planning for missile attacks on Iraq don't take much consideration of this air traffic. Big sky theory operates here.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2020-01-09 15:53||   2020-01-09 15:53|| Front Page Top

#23 Video One
Video Two


Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 16:03||   2020-01-09 16:03|| Front Page Top

#24 "It was Trump's fault because he killed Suleiman and forced all the rest - and made Iran think he was attacking Tehran."
Posted by Glenmore 2020-01-09 16:04||   2020-01-09 16:04|| Front Page Top

#25 Well Europe kept helping irans nuke program is getting oil and gas from Russia is telling the United States to fuck off so who will they blame?
Posted by Ulinenter Ghibelline7963 2020-01-09 16:06||   2020-01-09 16:06|| Front Page Top

#26 Iranian military planning for missile attacks on Iraq don't take much consideration of this air traffic

It was a bombardment missile, not a SAM?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 16:16||   2020-01-09 16:16|| Front Page Top

#27 I told you. It was one of 7 missiles that didn't reach the targets. Gawd knows who the other six fell on !

[Finished shitting, Abdul wipes his arse with leaves, chanting..]
"Al Ufr Ull wul uloo ar uhh...? Aaaaa !"

THUD !
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 16:27||   2020-01-09 16:27|| Front Page Top

#28 Timing, for one. It went down after the SSM launches. It's also hard to imagine hitting a moving aircraft with an SSM. Even if it by bajillions to one chance, they carry different kinds of warheads.Forensics sez SAM. So will the blackboxes.
Posted by Fred 2020-01-09 16:39||   2020-01-09 16:39|| Front Page Top

#29 Iran will probably open the black boxes with some fine sophisticated tools like a sledgehammer.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 16:41||   2020-01-09 16:41|| Front Page Top

#30 Lufthansa flight LH600 from Frankfurt to Tehran returned to Frankfurt after one hour in the air. Airline decided the flight was be coming too risky.

Really.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 16:49||   2020-01-09 16:49|| Front Page Top

#31 Iranian missile accidentally hit plane

and



Of course it could still be a very unlucky consequence. Or... providence. Yes, providence.

'Behold, all those who were incensed against you Shall be ashamed and disgraced; They shall be as nothing, And those who strive with you shall perish.' - GAWD !
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 16:49||   2020-01-09 16:49|| Front Page Top

#32 Have to go with Fred @ #28 on this one.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-01-09 17:04||   2020-01-09 17:04|| Front Page Top

#33 AA gunsex perhaps.
Posted by CrazyFool 2020-01-09 17:11||   2020-01-09 17:11|| Front Page Top

#34 A new york post article says this:

"Meanwhile, despite earlier reports that the US would not be involved in the probe, the National Transportation Safety Board has been invited by Iran, through the International Civil Aviation Organization, to assist, two sources familiar with the matter told the New York Times."


Yah let's send them a bunch of hostages. And by the way, If you shoot at something and hit it, it's not an accident.


Posted by Mercutio 2020-01-09 17:17||   2020-01-09 17:17|| Front Page Top

#35 then there's this
Posted by Mercutio 2020-01-09 17:39||   2020-01-09 17:39|| Front Page Top

#36 Ex Mayor Pete says Trump to blame (not the Babylon bee)

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1215349135991287809
Posted by lord garth 2020-01-09 19:02||   2020-01-09 19:02|| Front Page Top

#37 ^ Dying to see Shotgun Joe weigh in similarly so the Don can give him both figurative bbls.
Posted by Elmitle Omiter5032 2020-01-09 19:43||   2020-01-09 19:43|| Front Page Top

#38 And The Doofus blames Trump as well.
Posted by Anomalous Sources 2020-01-09 21:05||   2020-01-09 21:05|| Front Page Top

#39 Occam's Razor:
Airliner on climb-out suddenly appears as a big blip on air defense radar.
Air defense guys are already twitchy from waiting for American counter-attack.
They pop off two SAMS. WHOOSH BLAM.
Plane goes down. Finger-pointing begins.
Posted by SteveS 2020-01-09 22:11||   2020-01-09 22:11|| Front Page Top

#40 If you take a close look at the video of the crash, you can see something breaking away from the aircraft at about 7 seconds into the video. There's also a flash earlier that could be a SAM warhead detonating. Rumor says it was an SA-15, which has a 30kg warhead.
Posted by Old Patriot 2020-01-09 22:32||   2020-01-09 22:32|| Front Page Top

#41 Unintional shoot-down or intentional?
Posted by JohnQC 2020-01-09 23:13||   2020-01-09 23:13|| Front Page Top

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