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2019-03-25 Home Front: Politix

David Gergen advises Trump to follow Churchill: ‘In victory, magnanimity'

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Posted by Besoeker 2019-03-25 03:21|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 ...Which tells me that the Other Side is genuinely worried that DJT will go after them now the way they did to him.

Good. Let them look over their shoulders every minute.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2019-03-25 06:13|| 2019-03-25 06:13|| Front Page Top

#2 A good point, Mike. But victory requires the other side to formally surrender. After WWII there were the Nuremberg and Tokyo trials, which included long prison sentences for some and death sentences for the most guilty. And of course the Allied armies are still there, now because the key bases are so convenient and we’ve become such good friends. The magnaminity was for the defeated countries, absolutely not their leadership.

And this is the White House advisor to four former presidents, the very best our nation’s elite has to offer?! Wow.

Posted by trailing wife 2019-03-25 06:31|| 2019-03-25 06:31|| Front Page Top

#3 As a counterexample to WWII the Bush administration's magnanimity before victory didn't work out well because it was the functional eqeuivalent of appeasement and submission.

Trump hasn't been defeated ... this time.

That's all.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2019-03-25 06:43|| 2019-03-25 06:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Mr. Wife points out that Churchill’s magnaminity entailed not heaping crippling fines and territory losses on the defeated Central Powers. I think that would be acceptable as well in this case.

Posted by trailing wife 2019-03-25 07:07|| 2019-03-25 07:07|| Front Page Top

#5 First you need victory. The Dems haven't given up yet. The war is still on.

Posted by gorb 2019-03-25 07:33|| 2019-03-25 07:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Guadalcanal was just a small battle in a long war. There is still a long fight ahead of us. They have not surrendered.

Posted by Procopius2k 2019-03-25 08:10|| 2019-03-25 08:10|| Front Page Top

#7 As was said of the Germans, the Deep State is at your throat or at your feet.

Posted by charger 2019-03-25 08:27|| 2019-03-25 08:27|| Front Page Top

#8 I prefer viscous, ruthless and justified revenge.

Posted by Silentbrick 2019-03-25 09:34|| 2019-03-25 09:34|| Front Page Top

#9
#8 I prefer viscous, ruthless and justified revenge.

It also needs to be done pour encourager les autres.

If there are no consequences, then they will be worse than ever when they're fully back in the saddle.

Donnie Two Scoops needs to grasp that this isn't just about him; it's about what kind of country we're going to have.

Posted by charger 2019-03-25 09:41|| 2019-03-25 09:41|| Front Page Top

#10 True, a formal surrender is a required precursor to the magnanimity of peace. But let's keep in mind that the precursor to formal surrender is the absolute, crushing destruction of the enemy. As with Pershing, leave one alive to spread the tale to the others.

Posted by Cesare 2019-03-25 09:41|| 2019-03-25 09:41|| Front Page Top

#11 I find it interesting that somebody at CNN sees this as a victory for Trump. Or is Gergen looking for a new gig?

Posted by Bobby 2019-03-25 10:25|| 2019-03-25 10:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Churchill was fighting a declared war with uniformed combatants, not a attempted palace coup. It was an ugly business, but somehow it seems a much more honorable affair.

Posted by SteveS 2019-03-25 10:50|| 2019-03-25 10:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Gergen has been pontificating on TV for decades and near as I can tell has never had a good idea in all that time.

Posted by lord garth 2019-03-25 11:30|| 2019-03-25 11:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Letting it slide is also called impunity. If there are no consequences, it will be tried again, and likely not so half-assed. Then we will need guns to reverse it, not an over-hyped 'investigation'. Indict them, give 'em a fair trail, then hang 'em (at least figuratively).

Posted by Nero 2019-03-25 12:05|| 2019-03-25 12:05|| Front Page Top

#15 This is not victory.

Pardon them after their conviction.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-03-25 12:10|| 2019-03-25 12:10|| Front Page Top

#16 Sometimes the old ways are the best ways:
The greatest things in life are to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best.

Posted by Dino Lumumba2869 2019-03-25 15:26|| 2019-03-25 15:26|| Front Page Top

#17 Please tell me again about democratic 'magnanimity'. I must have been dozing the first time.

Posted by Besoeker 2019-03-25 16:04|| 2019-03-25 16:04|| Front Page Top

#18 #16 is my vote. They have gone beyond the bounds of ordinary, decent political nastiness, this was pure lust for power, the nation be damned. The need a serious thrashing and a number of visible, political crucifixions (not actual violence mods)!

Posted by NoMoreBS 2019-03-25 16:15|| 2019-03-25 16:15|| Front Page Top

#19 ...ah, come on. "Nail him down" a little known but exotic punishment that has shown remarkable success in deterring recidivism. (do I need to put a /sarc on that?)

Posted by Procopius2k 2019-03-25 18:13|| 2019-03-25 18:13|| Front Page Top

#20 I agree with Bright Pebbles except let the next Democrat President pardon them.

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