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2018-07-28 The Grand Turk

Report: Trump Asked Israeli PM To Free Turkish Suspect In Exchange For US Pastor-Erdogan ~~Screwed the US~~ Didn't Hold Up His End

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Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2018-07-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top
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#1 I think I know a bunch of F-35 fighter jets that WON'T be delivered to Turkey until on e US citizen is returned in good health.

Is Erdogan the ONE leader on Earth who thinks it is a good idea to double-cross President Donald Trump?

I doubt that Erdogan (or even Trump) has ever read Candide, but Erdogan may wish to review the Cliff Notes version, with respect to the phase "pour encourager des autres" (http://volokh.com/2010/05/02/pour-encourager-les-autres/

Posted by Lone Ranger 2018-07-28 00:29|| 2018-07-28 00:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Trump is used to making deals in private business where contracts are enforced through the court system.

De facto no such thing exists in international relations, thus direct and blatant cheating can be a viable tactic.

A deal per se is worthless unless it is executed in such a way that renders impossible violations by either side.

If the Trump administration doesn't follow through with its threat of sanctions (maybe even if it does) Erdogan, having successfully humiliated the US, might be tempted to increase his leverage and take additional US hostages.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2018-07-28 03:31|| 2018-07-28 03:31|| Front Page Top

Posted by 3dc 2018-07-28 09:14|| 2018-07-28 09:14|| Front Page Top

#4 Trump is used to making deals in private business where contracts are enforced through the court system.

Trump is also used to dealing with Mafia-tinged unions, where contracts are enforced in other ways, I believe. But President Erdogan has been acting less like a normal head of a Western state and more like an Ottoman sultan, so I suspect any snatchable Westerner is at risk, just like in Iran.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-07-28 10:24|| 2018-07-28 10:24|| Front Page Top

#5 But President Erdogan has been acting less like a normal head of a Western state and more like an Ottoman sultan

Western leaders have routinely refused to take Erdogan's and the OIC's official declarations seriously and to acknowledge the logical consequences of these openly declared doctrines.

If they had done so, they would have had to come to terms with the fact that these nations' official political position wrt the West is more hostile and aggressive than that of the Soviet Union after Chrushchev's adoption of "peaceful coexistence."

This is an article by Daniel Pipes that describes the aggressive and intimidating behavior by Turkish diplomats confronting critics which is unfavorably compared to Soviet diplomats' conduct.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2018-07-28 12:54|| 2018-07-28 12:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Trump is also used to dealing with Mafia-tinged unions, where contracts are enforced in other ways

An important part of that culture is when someone *bleep*s you, you have to *bleep* them back in order to maintain your position AND as a deterrent to others. Trump doesn't seem like to sort of guy to let a slight slide by. (note that this is different than trading insults during a negotiation. see NKor for an example)

I understand "The Art of the Deal" touches on the importance of vengeance, but I have not read it myself.

Posted by SteveS 2018-07-28 13:48|| 2018-07-28 13:48|| Front Page Top

#7 If the reports are true this was more than a slight, it was fraud. Both sides agreed to an exchange. One side delivered. The other side didn't, even though the release wouldn't have been a burden on them.

The Erdogan regime has defrauded and humiliated the US and Israel by continuing to inflict at least psychological torture on an innocent man, because he's a US citizen and a Christian minister.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2018-07-28 16:18|| 2018-07-28 16:18|| Front Page Top

#8 Erdogan doesn't know who he's dealing with. It's gonna get ugly and I'm gonna love every minute of it.

Posted by Regular joe 2018-07-28 17:29|| 2018-07-28 17:29|| Front Page Top

#9 I read somewhere that the delivery of the flying iPhones had been delayed for some reason.

Probably a fit of common sense down in foggy bottom if that is possible

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2018-07-28 23:42|| 2018-07-28 23:42|| Front Page Top

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