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Turkey: Another U.S. Intelligence Failure

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Posted by Blossom Unains5562 2016-07-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 Not really an intelligence failure because the last people that needed to know about it was the US.
Considering their lack of intelligence, and their infusion of failures, I would say save these MEN from the hands GOD did what they must before the whole state became a islamic bastard child from hell.

Well they tried.

They need to be saved from from Erdogon for the best and last try department of the now or never club.

What you missed was losing a Nation like Turkey was less important than losing the war against Daesh which you lost when you failed to keep Iraq and Her Citizens safe from the Saddam army that would ultimately plunge you ALL into hell.

Hence, I go back on my meds and watch you scramble because you could not do the simpelist things to keep this bullshit at bay in the easiest form.

Erdo needs to go, and if you cannot see that now... You should NOT HAVE A JOB IN INTELLIGENCE>

Only GOD and the AF Commander planned this. Tell the toad that.

Posted by newc 2016-07-22 01:07|| 2016-07-22 01:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Whe was the last time some event didn't caught Besoeker's Klingons by surprise?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-07-22 03:55|| 2016-07-22 03:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Obama doesn't even read the intel briefs so if they had been correct, as Hil said, what difference would it make at this point

Posted by lord garth 2016-07-22 06:02|| 2016-07-22 06:02|| Front Page Top

Additional "intelligence failures."

Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 07:08|| 2016-07-22 07:08|| Front Page Top

#5 Wait a minute. With all the speculation this was a Reichstag fire, how do we know Obama wasn't in on it?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-07-22 10:35|| 2016-07-22 10:35|| Front Page Top

#6 The same question goes for Besoeker's mug shots.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-07-22 10:36|| 2016-07-22 10:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-07-22 10:39|| 2016-07-22 10:39|| Front Page Top

#8 When you fill the intel community full of true believers and political operatives with an agenda and marching orders, what do you expect of intel that doesn't fit the narrative

If Trump is elected, he's going to have to literally gut Langley to get any kind of accurate and actionable intel.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2016-07-22 13:10|| 2016-07-22 13:10|| Front Page Top

#9 Consider that when you see what happens to careers that tell the leaders wheat they don't want to hear, however accurate, you stop telling them. Instead you keep your head down. And in time see them salting the entire system with their people in career management, so you move on and willing dupes backfill you. Then you get pretty stories that assure and calm everyone until an ooops and then you cover up and invent something. After all, Champ has read the world is less violent since he assumed the throne. And he wants us to know it.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2016-07-22 13:10|| 2016-07-22 13:10|| Front Page Top

#10 #2 Whe was the last time some event didn't caught Besoeker's Klingons by surprise?

They do seem to miss events at all scales; big ones like the collapse of the fUSSR and little ones like some building in the Balkans being a Chinese embassy.

In fairness, this may be selection bias - we don't hear about stuff they get right. My personal pet theory is they rely too much on SIGINT (aka technology) and too little HUMINT - actual people walking down the street. Understandable in a way, since humans are a lot messier to deal with.

Posted by SteveS 2016-07-22 13:21|| 2016-07-22 13:21|| Front Page Top

#11 In fairness, this may be selection bias - we don't hear about stuff they get right. My personal pet theory is they rely too much on SIGINT (aka technology) and too little HUMINT

Very astute assessment. There are of course others, but two significant reasons:

1. Technology is where the $$ money $$ is at.

2. HUMINT is time consuming, painstaking, and very difficult.

To your comment about 'not hearing stuff they get right.' If I'm riding on the one with the engine fires in #2 and #3, I more or less ambivalent about Delta's superb safety record.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-07-22 13:30|| 2016-07-22 13:30|| Front Page Top

#12 I think they like to hold their precious way too closely. Being in on Double Rock Above Top Secret I think must be some kinda euphoric.

Don't go to church tomorrow sweetness.
Why not? After last night I need redemption!
Can't tell you, it's triple rock classified.
Don't go! Foreign Powers are going to be mean tomorrow.
How do you know this?
What color is your nightie?
Purple?
Exactly!
Tell no one.

Posted by Shipman 2016-07-22 13:39|| 2016-07-22 13:39|| Front Page Top

#13 HUMINT vs. SIGINT

Tom Clancy had a fair amount to say on this subject.

Posted by AlanC 2016-07-22 15:50|| 2016-07-22 15:50|| Front Page Top

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