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Approx 20 50 dead inside Florida gay nightclub after mass shooting - possible Islamic connection
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Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 07:41|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top

#1 Obviously one of those violent Trump supporters.

/s

If this turns out to be a Muzzie Trump will probably get a big lift.
Posted by AlanC 2016-06-12 07:51||   2016-06-12 07:51|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, the longer it goes without the shooters name and pic splashed all over the media, the more certain it is that the gunman wasn't Billy-Bob Redneck the notorious Tea Partier/Trumper.

I'm certain that the left-leaning punditocracy is weeping into their Sunday morning mimosas over that. OTOH, the CAIRistas are tuning up their patented "not a real Muslim/ROP/Backlish" whine to the point where it will sound like an old-fashioned air raid warning siren when they cut it loose.
Posted by Sgt. Mom  2016-06-12 08:24|| http://celiahayes.com  2016-06-12 08:24|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm certain that the left-leaning punditocracy.....

is working feverishly to craft the connection between Trump's Islamic immigration and visa cautions and helpless mooslim victims of racism.
Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 08:36||   2016-06-12 08:36|| Front Page Top

#4 If there's lots of reporting on obooboo's golf and his daughter's graduation parties, you will know the "angry white male" shinola was not going to pass muster on this story...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 08:44||   2016-06-12 08:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Fox: FBI sez he's made terror threats in past. Bragged about belonging in Islamic extremist group

so, a known terorist
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 08:57||   2016-06-12 08:57|| Front Page Top

#6 While ISIS cheers the carnage, the media unwraps their "lone wolf extremist" hog wash non-judge mentalism paragraph.
Posted by Mugsy Glink 2016-06-12 09:18||   2016-06-12 09:18|| Front Page Top

#7 One thing for certain you can no longer believe the media. We had a young fellow found dead in a river here. Drugs were the cause no foul play in bold letters in headline. Rumors were incorrect. Reality is he owed 10000 to a drug gang and they sent a fellow to fix the problem. When the problem was fixed it set an example. Drugs are everywhere all across this country. With this administration everything fails.
Posted by Dale 2016-06-12 09:33||   2016-06-12 09:33|| Front Page Top

#8 [UPDATE: 9:10] CBS News has identified the shooter as Port St. Lucie resident Omar Mateen, a US citizen.
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 09:35||   2016-06-12 09:35|| Front Page Top

#9 and when will the first 'if only we had gun control' comment beissued?
fwiw: this is not in the on line seattle times this morning at all
Posted by USN, Ret. 2016-06-12 09:38||   2016-06-12 09:38|| Front Page Top

#10 Welcome to the battlefield, in the ongoing game of Islamic whack-a-mole. You can either a) try to talk your shooter out of shooting you or b) return fire. There is no middle ground.
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 09:41|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 09:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Afghan parents
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 09:47||   2016-06-12 09:47|| Front Page Top

#12 Was he just a gay-hating muzz (oops, redundancy alert), or did he have "boyfriend problems?" Inquiring minds want to know, but don't expect the gummint aligned media to supply any answers...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 09:50||   2016-06-12 09:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Do you think the Left will take notice now that the muzzies have attacked something they do care about, or does the suicide pact remain in effect?

My prediction - blame it on global warming and try to ban guns.
Posted by Iblis 2016-06-12 09:51||   2016-06-12 09:51|| Front Page Top

#14 ...Have been thinking about something all morning, and I hope I can put this with some coherence: What if those predisposed to terrorism and those who are specifically sent here to commit terror actually believe Donald Trump? What if they are starting to believe that Trump will not only be elected, but will go after them unlike anyone previously? What if they fear he will never let them swamp us the way they have other nations? What if they fear he will deal with them the way they deal with others?

What if they think that now is the time to strike, before he can stop them?

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2016-06-12 09:58||   2016-06-12 09:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Mike, that's exactly what "they." the GOPe and the dem crime machine ALL think...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 10:04||   2016-06-12 10:04|| Front Page Top

#16 What if they think that now is the time to strike, before he can stop them?

A good way to get Mr. Trump elected, despite the headwinds of non-support by the Republican establishment.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 10:07||   2016-06-12 10:07|| Front Page Top

#17 FrankG, thank you for staying on top of this story as it developed this morning.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 10:09||   2016-06-12 10:09|| Front Page Top

#18 Registered Democrat
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 10:10||   2016-06-12 10:10|| Front Page Top

#19 They were able to put the San Bernardino shooting to 'use' to further gun control even as they did their 'nothing to see here' bit about it being morghul immigrants.
Posted by Phans Thavirong9072 2016-06-12 10:12||   2016-06-12 10:12|| Front Page Top

#20 True #14 but I believe they don't care and will continue. Psychotic as any liberal. That's why they refuse to adapt.
Posted by Dale 2016-06-12 10:13||   2016-06-12 10:13|| Front Page Top

#21 "If we just get rid of your icky guns, import more pisslamists and get a sharia-friendly Supreme Court, these trouble will soon be over" NYT / WAPO / LA Times editorials in 3...2...1...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 10:17||   2016-06-12 10:17|| Front Page Top

#22 Also time for Seattle / Portland / SanFran mayors to appear on the Sunday shows saying "...we are open minded - we welcome gays and gay hating sharia freaks alike..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 10:20||   2016-06-12 10:20|| Front Page Top

#23 Daily Mail (UK) reporting:

"An FBI spokesman said the mass shooting is being investigated as an act of terrorism, adding that they are looking into whether this was an act of domestic or international terror, and if the shooter was a lone wolf.

Police said the gunman, who was shot dead by officers, was believed to be in his 20s, while the FBI believe he may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism'."

Lesson learned. Shooting random people is never terrorism. Shooting gays is.
Posted by Iblis 2016-06-12 10:27||   2016-06-12 10:27|| Front Page Top

#24 The shooter had a CCL.
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 10:36|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 10:36|| Front Page Top

#25 No doubt one of those misunderstanders of Islam (1). ABC news already had an apologist on giving all the same platitudes. I wonder if they had him on call or flew him in something.

According to the FBI spokesman they are trying to determine if it was a violent crime....

(1) - That seem to comprise the vast majority of Muslims.
Posted by CrazyFool 2016-06-12 10:40||   2016-06-12 10:40|| Front Page Top

#26 The death toll now stands at 50 dead, 50 wounded.
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 10:41|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 10:41|| Front Page Top

#27 According to the FBI spokesman they are trying to determine if it was a violent crime....

Of a piece with how the FBI is not trying to determine if swillary committed any crimes unfortunate choices...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 10:45||   2016-06-12 10:45|| Front Page Top

#28 ABC news is allergic to the word 'gay' this morning. If it could be linked to a Christian church in any way you can bet that 'gay' would be every third word...
Posted by CrazyFool 2016-06-12 10:47||   2016-06-12 10:47|| Front Page Top

#29 As Churchill said, mankind will occasionally stumble upon the truth, but then get up and stagger on nonetheless. Sad part is probably all the gay outreach to "frightened muslims" on college campuses right now...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 10:55||   2016-06-12 10:55|| Front Page Top

#30 So much for the Rainbow Coalition. This is the left's worst nightmare: one protected group launching a high-profile, too-big-to-ignore attack on another protected group. It's sort of like dueling unicorns.
Posted by Matt 2016-06-12 10:59||   2016-06-12 10:59|| Front Page Top

#31 This will just be reported as "workplace violence" - I guess for the bar staff. 'Gotta bury the lede .... nothing to see here, move along...
Posted by Lone Ranger 2016-06-12 11:03||   2016-06-12 11:03|| Front Page Top

#32 It's sort of like dueling unicorns

Exactly. Only problem is, unicorn believers think the fight always ends with both unicorns living together happily ever after.
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 11:03||   2016-06-12 11:03|| Front Page Top

#33 The local news station just pinged my cell phone with the CNN version of the story Besoeker originally posted. It will be interesting to see how that reporting changes over the day, a control to understand what is being fed to the general public.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 11:04||   2016-06-12 11:04|| Front Page Top

#34 Law enforcement sources told CBS News the gunman has been identified as Omar Mateen, a U.S. citizen from Port St. Lucie. Mateen was born to Afghan parents in 1986. CBS News reports Mateen has no apparent criminal history and that authorities are investigating whether he had ties to Islamic terrorism.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-06-12 11:10||   2016-06-12 11:10|| Front Page Top

#35 Fox news is reporting the FBI seems to be walking back Islamic terrorism and wondering if this is a hate crime ....wonder if it was ValJar or Rice who made the call . Look for Benghazi spin machine and Rhodes fingerprints.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2016-06-12 11:20||   2016-06-12 11:20|| Front Page Top

#36 FBI seems to be walking back Islamic terrorism

Of course. Paul Krendler sleeps late on Sundays...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 11:23||   2016-06-12 11:23|| Front Page Top

#37 Somebody been making youtube videos again?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-06-12 11:23||   2016-06-12 11:23|| Front Page Top

#38 The shooter had a CCL

He didn't cause a 100 casualties with a hand gun.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-06-12 11:29||   2016-06-12 11:29|| Front Page Top

#39 

Link
Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 11:30||   2016-06-12 11:30|| Front Page Top

#40 Local news station is an ABC affiliate. They pinged my phone with a live special report. Updated casualty numbers, teary plea from mother of a victim, killer named, no claims by "overseas terrorist groups"... but then statement that groups like ISIS hate homosexuals as a matter of religious principle, killer may have self-radicalized.

Richard Clarke, identified as former terrorism czar now being interviewed -- question to him about "proliferation of lone wolves like San Bernadino", his answer we differ from Europe: they have organized cells, we have self-radicalized lone wolves, this one was born here. This club had an off-duty police officer as hired guard. We cannot protect soft targets. Must pursuade people that terrorism is not proper Islam.

If cannot pursuade "troubled souls", as the FBI phrases it, we will see this more and more often
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 11:33||   2016-06-12 11:33|| Front Page Top

#41 Such a dhimlemma for the left here.

Which protected class gets thrown under the bus by the MSM?

So far it's the gays.

Sorry, gays!

There's just enough of you!

Gotta go with the numbers here.
Posted by charger 2016-06-12 11:38||   2016-06-12 11:38|| Front Page Top

#42 It's about modernity. Period.

You believe people should be free to live as they please, as long as they don't make any effort at all to inflict their choices on you.

LIBERAL FAIL

You believe people should be free to express their opinions, even if you disagree with them.

LIBERAL FAIL

You believe criminals should be punished for their crimes, not excused on a wide range of rationalizations.

LIBERAL FAIL

You believe every person's vote should be legitimate and should count, not subject to voter fraud cancellation and "party rules" nonsense.

LIBERAL AND GOPe FAIL.

Please feel free to add your own examples...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 11:39||   2016-06-12 11:39|| Front Page Top

#43 FBI FAIL

Omar Mateen, Terrorist Who Attacked Orlando Gay Club, Had Been Investigated by FBI

The senior law enforcement source reports that Mateen became a person of interest in 2013 and again in 2014. The Federal Bureau of Investigation at one point opened an investigation into Mateen but subsequently closed the case when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.
“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”

Mateen was a U.S. citizen; his parents are from Afghanistan, CBS News reports.

The senior law enforcement source told The Daily Beast that Mateen was born in New York and was married for a time to a woman from New Jersey.
Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 11:41||   2016-06-12 11:41|| Front Page Top

#44 ...latest from Fox is that his father said:

"His father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News his son got angry after seeing two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago, suggesting that may have helped trigger the attack at the gay nightclub. The father claimed the massacre "had nothing to do with religion."

I'm guessing he already got the word.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2016-06-12 11:41||   2016-06-12 11:41|| Front Page Top

#45 Fox's resident "expert", Rod Wheeler, former cop: "When you have an AR-15, you can literally shoot 100 rounds in, like, 9 seconds"


rrrriiiiiggghhht
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 11:43||   2016-06-12 11:43|| Front Page Top

#46 Hearing about an AR, hearing about an AK. Anyone got the true word? Not that it matters to anyone who is scared of things they know nothing about...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 11:46||   2016-06-12 11:46|| Front Page Top

#47 No word yet on whether either of his "pistols" were Ruger Glock & Wessons...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 11:47||   2016-06-12 11:47|| Front Page Top

#48 The Times of Israel adds the killer is married with a three year old son, and works in a security job.
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 11:48||   2016-06-12 11:48|| Front Page Top

#49 A guy on twitter just said: Incredibly fucked up to live in a country where you have to specify WHICH tragic shooting in Orlando this weekend you're talking about.

I tweeted him a link for a passport application. :)
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 11:54|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 11:54|| Front Page Top

#50 Omar Mateen was FBI person of interest in 2013, 14
Posted by Frozen Al 2016-06-12 11:56||   2016-06-12 11:56|| Front Page Top

#51 "Rep. Schiff, who is always cautious, says Dept. of Homeland Security told him Orlando shooter made pledge of allegiance to Islamic State"
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 11:56||   2016-06-12 11:56|| Front Page Top

#52 From the same Israel Times article, a more extended quote of what the father said:

Speaking to NBC news, Mateen’s father, named as Mir Siddique, said the act was not linked to religion but possibly homophobia.

“We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country,” NBC news said, reading out his statement.

“This had nothing to do with religion,” he added according to NBC news, adding that his son “got very angry when he saw two men kissing in downtown Miami a couple of months ago.”

Not religion. Culture. The man drove two hours to a third city (saw in Miami, lives in wherever, went to Orlando) to kill as many strangers as he could because his culture told him to. Any chance they are Pashtuns?
Posted by trailing wife 2016-06-12 12:02||   2016-06-12 12:02|| Front Page Top

#53 Gateway Pundit:

ISIS Announced Florida Threat THREE Days Ago: “We Will Attack Florida”


Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 12:05||   2016-06-12 12:05|| Front Page Top

#54 I'm guessing he already got the word.

Names, actually:

"Aunt" Zeitouni
"Uncle" Omar
"Sam Basile"
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 12:05||   2016-06-12 12:05|| Front Page Top

#55 Buzzfeed News:

People Are Lining Up To Donate Blood For The Orlando Shooting Victims

This is what Americans do !
Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 12:27||   2016-06-12 12:27|| Front Page Top

#56 This is what Americans do!

Agreed. Only problem is muzz donate blood too. Your blood to the ground.
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 12:32||   2016-06-12 12:32|| Front Page Top

#57 The Hussien Regime will respond in a manner that will only escalate mass murder in the U.S. and the same generation that lost Iraq and Afghanistan are being PC Moderated regarding justice served to thier overlords will see many more peasants slaughtered stateside.
Posted by Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 2016-06-12 12:34||   2016-06-12 12:34|| Front Page Top

#58 Liberals vote their feelings, so they should expect to feel bad. Unexpectedly, of course...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 12:49||   2016-06-12 12:49|| Front Page Top

#59 200 people in a club in FLa at 0200 and not 1 handgun in play?
Likely some defensive 'friendly-fire' casualties.
Posted by Skidmark 2016-06-12 12:55||   2016-06-12 12:55|| Front Page Top

#60 The Hill:

Dem rep told Orlando shooter 'made pledge of allegiance' to ISIS
Posted by Besoeker 2016-06-12 12:57||   2016-06-12 12:57|| Front Page Top

#61 WZ is reporting his father was/is running for office in Afghanistan...
Posted by 49 Pan 2016-06-12 13:07||   2016-06-12 13:07|| Front Page Top

#62 WTF? Man with weapons and possible explosives arrested, said he was going to L.A. gay pride parade

Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well as assault rifles and ammunition in the car of a man who told them he was in town for the L.A. Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said.

Early Sunday, there was a call to Santa Monica police of a suspected prowler near Olympic Boulevard and 11th Street. Patrol officers responded and encountered an individual who told officers he was waiting for a friend. That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb.

The car had Indiana plates. He did make comments that he was in town for the pride event in West Hllywood this weekend. Sources said they did not know of any connection between the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning and the Santa Monica incident, and the investigation has been taken over by FBI.
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 13:18||   2016-06-12 13:18|| Front Page Top

#63 Note to know nothing liberals.

San Bernadino was an attack on a Christmas party. A Christian event.

Orlanda a gay club.

Islam is a doctrine of extreme intolerance.

And don't keep responding by demanding Americans must become more defenseless. And that we must continue to import more than 100 mohammedans a day.
Posted by Unelet Protector of the Sith2424 2016-06-12 13:21||   2016-06-12 13:21|| Front Page Top

#64 Skidmark, I don't know Florida law but most places don't allow firearms into businesses that sell alcohol. So Omar, the CCL holder, may have been the only person in the club violating the firearms laws. Also, I suspect the carry rate of the gay populations is lower than that of the general population of the community.
Posted by Glenmore 2016-06-12 13:32||   2016-06-12 13:32|| Front Page Top

#65 Remember. Sympathizing with people, in the mind of a liberal, means sympathizing with them on their terms.
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 13:38||   2016-06-12 13:38|| Front Page Top

#66 Fox sez they had an off-duty cop as security and they patted down people on entry. He came at closing, 2 AM when everyone's starting to leave not enter, so he got in armed
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 13:44||   2016-06-12 13:44|| Front Page Top

#67 What happened to the security guard?
Posted by Steve White 2016-06-12 13:59||   2016-06-12 13:59|| Front Page Top

#68 From Fox:

Florida nightclub shooter apparently made threats in the past; ex-wife claims he beat her
Posted by Steve White 2016-06-12 14:01||   2016-06-12 14:01|| Front Page Top

#69 More on the spousal abuse from WaPo:

The ex-wife of the 29-year-old man suspected of killing 50 people in a Orlando nightclub early Sunday said that he was violent and mentally unstable and beat her repeatedly while they were married.

The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him.

At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive.

"He was not a stable person," said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. "He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn'™t finished or something like that."
Posted by Steve White 2016-06-12 14:03||   2016-06-12 14:03|| Front Page Top

#70 From what I'm reading, I'm wondering if the shooter motivation is some combination (in any order you like) --

a) his religion
b) schizophrenia
c) closet gay
Posted by Steve White 2016-06-12 14:05||   2016-06-12 14:05|| Front Page Top

#71 ISIS tells us what they are going to do and they execute. The ruling class willfully ignores their words and then act shocked when evil occurs.

We can not stop this type of evil, only prepare ourselves to confront it and kill it when it appears. God bless the officers that rushed in to kill this terrorist.
Posted by Tennessee 2016-06-12 14:06||   2016-06-12 14:06|| Front Page Top

#72 Lots of imams advocate "moderate" wife beating. Be interesting to see a list of how many of them have received State Department $$$
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 14:08||   2016-06-12 14:08|| Front Page Top

#73 "He was not a stable person," said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. "He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn'™t finished or something like that."

And yet, she never filed a protective order.
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 14:09|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 14:09|| Front Page Top

#74 Reporter to Orlando Police chief: "You can't classify your investigation, but then you come back with an Imam?"
Posted by badanov 2016-06-12 14:14|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2016-06-12 14:14|| Front Page Top

#75 "To assure you this had nothing to do with Islam, which is a Religion of Peace™...

Again"
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 14:16||   2016-06-12 14:16|| Front Page Top

#76 Absolutely nothing in the WaPo article to indicate whether the ex was also ME extracted, or a white public school "diversity" zombie. In these instances, she is entitled to her anonymity, I certainly agree, but it would be interesting to know...
Posted by M. Murcek 2016-06-12 14:16||   2016-06-12 14:16|| Front Page Top

#77 #67 - from earlier news, the shooter was engaged by the cop, but managed to get into the building...probably in the crush of people exiting
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 14:18||   2016-06-12 14:18|| Front Page Top

#78 Aamaq issues claim for Orlando attack: "fighter from the Islamic State"

Al-Amaq News is a pro-Islamic State media outlet that emerged in August 2014 reporting on Islamic State activity in Syria.
Posted by Tennessee 2016-06-12 14:27||   2016-06-12 14:27|| Front Page Top

#79 It was interesting to me that about half an hour before the shooter was identified they brought the local imam to speak to the press briefing that was being held by the police chief. Of course he was heart broken about the tradgedy. Then he implored his listeners not to rush to judgement. What does that mean? I wondered. Does he know something the rest of us don't?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-06-12 14:28||   2016-06-12 14:28|| Front Page Top

#80 
Was he just a gay-hating muzz (oops, redundancy alert), or did he have "boyfriend problems?"


Why not both? He wouldn't be the first. Wasn't there a Muslim serial killer (BIRM) who would have sex with guys then kill them?
Posted by Rob Crawford 2016-06-12 14:33||   2016-06-12 14:33|| Front Page Top

#81 
What does that mean? I wondered. Does he know something the rest of us don't?


Friday's harangue at the mosque was about how Allah hates Jews and gays, but mostly Jews.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2016-06-12 14:35||   2016-06-12 14:35|| Front Page Top

#82 Incidentally, as I understand it, for Pathans homosexuality is a norm.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-06-12 14:53||   2016-06-12 14:53|| Front Page Top

#83 This type of incident will happen again and again. There are thousands of nutcases like Omar out there. Islamist have an army of individuals who are suseptable to commit acts of terrorism by their handlers----death by a thousand cuts. O is bringing them in by the gross. The libs enable this. People will need to know that the dems are enablers of death and pubs are dhimmi enablers.

We have weak leaders and enablers of the Islamic cause. A cancer within this country. The citizens helped put them there. This country is in a crisis. Of limited comfort is that this country is not the only one in this crisis.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2016-06-12 16:07||   2016-06-12 16:07|| Front Page Top

#84 3 hours.
No, not good enough.
I know it takes some time for the SWAT boyz/gurlz to get all their accessories together, but 3 hours? That's too much time getting ready to form a committee.

Charles Whitman, a significantly better trained killer, was taken out by two cops who ran to the sound, covered by students with rifles, in 90 minutes.
Posted by Shipman 2016-06-12 16:13||   2016-06-12 16:13|| Front Page Top

#85 Yeah, maybe.

Posted by SteveS 2016-06-12 16:17||   2016-06-12 16:17|| Front Page Top

#86 It has been instructive to watch the collective nervous breakdown on social media as the left's favorite templates & narratives fail utterly.

Most have retracted into harmless and blessedly quiet "sitting, rocking, & thumb sucking" while posing pictures of happier times.
Posted by Nguard 2016-06-12 17:06||   2016-06-12 17:06|| Front Page Top

#87 If the FBI really said they don't know if it's a terror attack or not, then they're hopelessly lost.
Posted by gorb 2016-06-12 17:46||   2016-06-12 17:46|| Front Page Top

#88 The shooter was a registered Democrat in 2006. There's a fact that will quickly get buried by the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party; the MSM. They would have preferred a Dylann Roof; a neo- Nazi, racist nut job.
Posted by JohnQC 2016-06-12 17:47||   2016-06-12 17:47|| Front Page Top

#89 Granted it's a Known Wolf. But why the long hostage standoff? Usually they go for immediate max carnage/self destruct.

And were the (100+) shot in the final hail of gunfire?
Posted by Black John Smith 2016-06-12 17:50||   2016-06-12 17:50|| Front Page Top

#90 The LE Tactical Decision post-mortem will be interesting. If, again if, a number of the KIA were initially shot and then bled out during the 3 hour period, serious assessments need to be made. After Columbine, I saw a lot of LE examination of tactics and the decision to go to early dynamic entry within the golden hour, accepting higher risk to entry teams to prevent more deaths. Too early to assess if the OPD responds had mitigating factors...
Posted by NoMoreBS 2016-06-12 18:02||   2016-06-12 18:02|| Front Page Top

#91 Don't you feel safer?
Posted by Frank G 2016-06-12 18:16||   2016-06-12 18:16|| Front Page Top

#92 Does anyone know if he shaved his beard right at the end? One of the pics is a selfie that looks like he's rubbing his face like he just did.
Posted by gorb 2016-06-12 18:34||   2016-06-12 18:34|| Front Page Top

#93 You may have noticed that while the imam was making his remarks, when he got to the part about not jumping to conclusions the Chief and the Sheriff standing behind him exchanged long, significant glances.
Posted by KBK 2016-06-12 18:54||   2016-06-12 18:54|| Front Page Top

#94 The MSM is downplaying the incident not a one of legit Islamic terror but moreso as another Pro-NRA, Pro-GOP, anti-LGBT Nazi gun nut gone wild.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2016-06-12 23:59||   2016-06-12 23:59|| Front Page Top

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