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2016-03-18 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Growing Concern About FBI Sniper Actions In Oregon Standoff

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Posted by Besoeker 2016-03-18 02:24|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

The Feds have a very poor track record with these sort of encounters. Interesting how the FBI tends to shy away from violence such as that which took place in Ferguson, Missouri in August of 2014. I reckon it's more convenient to investigate and find fault with local law enforcement, after the fact.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-03-18 02:46|| 2016-03-18 02:46|| Front Page Top

#2 A video was released last week taken by the occupants of the truck. Judging from the second video, i would say that the FBI has a lot of explaining to do. Sadly, since the current admin in Washington hates far right white people there will be the standard cover up of Finicum's murder.
This of course will lead to future conflicts with the Federal Law Enforcement Agencies and the western ranchers/militants.
No doubt the locals know who pulled the trigger. Time will tell how this plays out.

Posted by jvalentour 2016-03-18 08:39|| 2016-03-18 08:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Did anyone expect anything different?

Posted by Skidmark 2016-03-18 09:10|| 2016-03-18 09:10|| Front Page Top

#4 Not really Skid. I expect the next standoff to end in more blood because of this.

Posted by DarthVader 2016-03-18 11:50|| 2016-03-18 11:50|| Front Page Top

#5 It was an ambush...They were looking for a particular outcome, and I think that they got it.

To what end? What is the benefit of a dead Finnicum ? It would seem from a PR perspective, anyway, the Feds would have preferred quite the opposite. Afterall, look how some folks are trying to portray this misguided fellow as some kind of martyr executed by the jackbooted american gestapo.

Posted by DepotGuy 2016-03-18 11:51|| 2016-03-18 11:51|| Front Page Top

#6 Skid. I know your comment was a snark. So this is not about you. But he'll yes I expect something different. I expect my government to act according to the law. After watching all the videos. I do believe these FBI agents were looking for a fight, not an arrest. I believe he was murdered, I'm the same manner as randy weavers wife and child. The FBI is not competent to do anything they are doing out there. Using an HRT to take down a guy in a pickup truck is like killin a spider with a flamethrower. It will work, but the damage will be triple. The HRT is a hostage reacue team, not designed for simple arrests. You think they would have learned from the branch Dravidian fiasco. But they did not. We all ignore this as an isolated event against some right winged extremist. The USG took their property rights away. They passed an arbitrRy law, without the states concent and then unforced this law without any oversight or integrity. This type event is happening more and more often and to the point where it is getting violent. The sheep in the big cities and inside the beltway could fucking care less about the flyover states. It evident in the fed land grab and the total lack of acting responsive about our southern border. Which, by the way, the only people that think it's no problem live over 1000 miles away. Our government must learn to act in a responsible manner to all its citizens, not just the beltway fools. If not this type of violence , the FBI murders will be met with retaliation. Remember all the farmers were armed to the teeth, and they acted in a responsible manner. Time for the Fed to follow along.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-03-18 11:59|| 2016-03-18 11:59|| Front Page Top

#7 Sorry for the spelling errors.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-03-18 12:01|| 2016-03-18 12:01|| Front Page Top

#8 He was murdered by some jackbooted American gestapo.

Posted by jvalentour 2016-03-18 12:12|| 2016-03-18 12:12|| Front Page Top

#9 re: #8.

Please enlighten. What is the benifit of dead Finnicum as opposed to a live Finnicum?

Posted by DepotGuy 2016-03-18 12:19|| 2016-03-18 12:19|| Front Page Top

#10 That's what jackbooted means.

Posted by gorb 2016-03-18 13:26|| 2016-03-18 13:26|| Front Page Top

#11 #9 Will all due respect. It wasn't suicide by cop. Look up jackboot on your own.

Posted by jvalentour 2016-03-18 14:04|| 2016-03-18 14:04|| Front Page Top

#12 Depot__ to answer your question:

pour encourager les autres

Posted by Kofi Big Foot7134 2016-03-18 14:11|| 2016-03-18 14:11|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm not trying to be a contrarian A-Hole here. I'm asking a simple question. What could possibly be the motivation for the Feds to intentionally execute a man that most people consider either irrational or self-serving. And a man many people believe whose actions precipitated his own death. Now, there's a number of reasonable reasons why the Feds would have preferred the 180 degree opposite outcome. You know, like photos of a burning Waco compound, comparisons to Ruby Ridge, predictions of bloody retribution - things like that.

Posted by DepotGuy 2016-03-18 14:17|| 2016-03-18 14:17|| Front Page Top

#14 It's payback for the Bundy Ranch

Posted by Silentbrick 2016-03-18 14:28|| 2016-03-18 14:28|| Front Page Top

#15 ....there's a number of reasonable reasons why the Feds would have preferred the 180 degree opposite outcome. You know, like photos of a burning Waco compound, comparisons to Ruby Ridge, predictions of bloody retribution - things like that.

Or emboldened, as none of those responsible or in question have ever been brought to justice. Going into 'name tag defilade' ...yet another indicator of nefarious intent.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-03-18 14:31|| 2016-03-18 14:31|| Front Page Top

#16 So I agree with your question depot guy. Why would anyone think burning down the Dravidian compound or sniping a woman with a baby in her arms is good either. Both were done by the FBI These guys should have never gunned him down. They should have never tampered with the evidence and the HRT should have never been involved in the arrest.
The calling the rancher self serving in another comment is pr slander. When the government takes your rights away and you protest you are demAnding your rights, self serving to a definition. Remember this is the same FBi that came in to "run" the kidnapping return of Martin and grace burnham. They paid 300k ransoms and got taken, thus funding the hostage takers for almost eight more months. They have more power than training, a piss poor leadership structure during a crisis, and no real ROE for domestic issues. If they did this kind of murder would not take place.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-03-18 14:50|| 2016-03-18 14:50|| Front Page Top

#17 To what end? That question presumes that there was a particular ending mindt. It could easily be that a young HRT sniper, all psyched-up and ready to put-down one of these troublesome rustics decided to go all Horiuchi and kill him.

Posted by Sgt.D.T. 2016-03-18 15:03|| 2016-03-18 15:03|| Front Page Top

#18 That question presumes that there was a particular ending in mind.

My original question was in response to the kin of Finnicum's presumption "they were looking for a particular outcome". (see ital quote in #5) I agree it's more possible the shots resulted from an overzealous agent. I'm less likely to believe it was a coordinated execution by a sinister element embedded in federal LE. I do know one thing though. If your a known armed fugitive that's on record saying your willing to die for your cause, run through a road block, exit the vehicle, and make furtive gestures it's likely LE is going to employ deadly force.

Posted by DepotGuy 2016-03-18 15:42|| 2016-03-18 15:42|| Front Page Top

#19 The consistency I see with all three of these events, branch Dravidian, randy weaver and this event, is the agents seem to have little leadership forcing decisions. The weaver sniper was not over zealous. He questioned his order to shoot and his leadership confirmed the order. So what roe allows a sniper to shoot a woman in plain view, with a baby in her arms. What roe allows the fire at the Dravidian compound, and now this. The Fbi comes to the event looking for a fight, not to diffuse and control. That's an issue to me. It's all leadership training and leadership Disapline. He ran a road block. Yes. He got out of the truck with his hands in the air, every video shows it. He only dropped his hands when the first shot entered his back. Again well documented. Thank god this guy was not black or they would have burned down our cities.

Posted by 49 pan 2016-03-18 16:14|| 2016-03-18 16:14|| Front Page Top

#20 DepotGuy, you really need to look at the video that was taken from inside the truck when it happened. They were shooting at him before he even left the truck with no weapon in hand. They wanted to kill him. Multiple shots from multiple angles. There is also some drone footage that is either incompetent or intentionally grainy that shows how things went. I read something that the drone footage shows lots of lasers and gunshots from before the truck even ran into the snowbank, but until I see more of it I'm going to ignore it. Also, a LEO placed himself in harms way either intentionally or because he is an idiot, which conveniently gives LE cover for opening fire.

The trap could have been laid entirely differently with non-lethal results. I could have done it, and I'm not an expert. There were women in the back of the truck, and I think some adolescent(s).

What both sides did was wrong, but what LE did was highly risky to all, and resulted in death.

Unless folks like Finnicum stand up to this BS from "our" government, it will never stop.

Posted by gorb 2016-03-18 16:19|| 2016-03-18 16:19|| Front Page Top

#21 Ask yourself what actions Law Enforcement would have taken had Black Lives Matter activists been in the truck.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-03-18 16:24|| 2016-03-18 16:24|| Front Page Top

#22 Police escort to the Super Bowl.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-03-18 18:40|| 2016-03-18 18:40|| Front Page Top

#23 The first of these such events I can recall was Wounded Knee in 1973. The FBI intervened in the resolution of public elections of a 'sovereign' nation. The direction at the time was to end the unified defiance but it took some 5 bodies to close the action by the time the bureaucrats could come to a consensus.

Posted by Skidmark 2016-03-18 23:54|| 2016-03-18 23:54|| Front Page Top

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