Article

2015-09-10 Fifth Column

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by newc 2015-09-10 02:09|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 He who would not learn from history....

File under Suicide Watch Part III

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-10 08:46|| 2015-09-10 08:46|| Front Page Top

#2 P2K, the Germans were able to civilize (for certain values of).

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-10 08:56|| 2015-09-10 08:56|| Front Page Top

#3 ..oh, it only took about a thousand years for the Renaissance to kick in. These invaders occupied much of what was once the Eastern portion of the empire thereafter. Their thousand year mark was in the 19th Century. Other than importing tech trinkets from the West, there doesn't seem to be much of an awakening other than kicking off another round of conquering and subjugating the infidel in their cosmos.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-10 09:30|| 2015-09-10 09:30|| Front Page Top

#4 So a beter example would be Muslim conquest of ME: cradle of civilization ----> cess pit.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-10 09:33|| 2015-09-10 09:33|| Front Page Top

#5 The one thing Jimmy Carter did right (by being incompetent oddly enough) was to encourage the gleeful expansion of the Soviet Union. And expansion that could not be maintained once Reagan got into power.

I hope Islamists are facing a similar predicament and we elect someone with balls and clear-vision.

Of course that may do little to help us when a whole generation (a rather populace one at that) is baffled with trigger-warnings and nihilism.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-10 11:12|| 2015-09-10 11:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Still no answer as to why Syrian refugees are more deserving than those from the Congo civil wars (over lithium for laptop and cell batteries) or the poor souls in South Sudan or elsewhere in the Sahel.

Posted by 3dc 2015-09-10 11:19|| 2015-09-10 11:19|| Front Page Top

#7 ...cause in Europe, they're not out in the streets cutting peoples heads off? Or that they're usually Christian?

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-10 11:26|| 2015-09-10 11:26|| Front Page Top

#8 rjs, The problem is not the balls of our leader. Bush had them. It is the leader's ability to sell the need to conduct a decades long struggle, not unlike the cold war, to a public that doesn't yet recognize the threat.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2015-09-10 12:07|| 2015-09-10 12:07|| Front Page Top

#9 Consider that, increasingly, the public is woefully ignorant of the must rudimentary lessons of history, or even the events at all. Further, it rarely has reasoning skills about causation and consequence, and has the attention span of a pet gerbil.
The rot here at home after decades of education and entitlement policies is pervasive. While the interior spaces still have some muscle on the bone of American culture, the coastal hive cities are mostly useless fat and waste products, consuming energy but producing only sclerosis in the body politic.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2015-09-10 12:37|| 2015-09-10 12:37|| Front Page Top

#10 An info graph.

Posted by Vortigern Chinens3659 2015-09-10 13:13|| 2015-09-10 13:13|| Front Page Top

#11 Procopius2k, The Koran has instructions (from God himself) in Arabic (the language of Mohammad) on how to wipe your arse. There is no room for interpretation and critical thinking required to create a Renaissance. But you knew that.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-10 16:31|| 2015-09-10 16:31|| Front Page Top

#12 Nimble Spemble, Bush had them when the US was 95% behind him. He even had them when the country was turned against Iraq by a hostile media and time because he committed to the Surge and saved the day.

His gamble on restoring Democracy in Iraq failed because it depended upon those that followed to have common sense. Apparently that isn't something we can take for granted these days.

But I wasn't really talking about him anyway.

The bright side of the Iraqi fiasco is that we gave them a real chance and the locals shit on it. Preferring jihad and death. My sympathy has ran dry for all but the Kurds at this point.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-10 16:40|| 2015-09-10 16:40|| Front Page Top

#13 The infographic says 80% come from the top 10 refugee producing nations. Isn't it about time those 10 nations are considered failures and open to anyone with imperial ambitions ready to colonize. The worst imperialists would probably be better than what those 10 have going on now.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-10 16:43|| 2015-09-10 16:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Bury each killed terrorist with a pig. The pigs will eventually forgive us.

Posted by Wheagum Snavising9926 2015-09-10 16:46|| 2015-09-10 16:46|| Front Page Top

#15 I doubt, however, that Merkel is as ignorant as all of that...which makes her motives highly suspicious.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-09-10 16:58|| 2015-09-10 16:58|| Front Page Top

#16 Personally, I don't worry about Europeans---because I believe their ethics are just display.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-10 17:14|| 2015-09-10 17:14|| Front Page Top

#17 I've tried to explain yesterday that this is simply German pragmatism.

Posted by European Conservative 2015-09-10 18:49|| 2015-09-10 18:49|| Front Page Top

#18 I prefer Denmark's brand of pragmatism

Posted by Rex Mundi 2015-09-10 19:30|| 2015-09-10 19:30|| Front Page Top

#19 Germany is too big for that

Posted by European Conservative 2015-09-10 19:58|| 2015-09-10 19:58|| Front Page Top

#20 If Germany can't house them all will they put them up in camps?

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-10 21:28|| 2015-09-10 21:28|| Front Page Top

#21 Notice that they're not fleeing to Muslim countries.

The Christian (sort of, ethically anyway) countries will at least try to take care of them. They can take advantage of that.

Muslim countries, not so much.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2015-09-10 21:50|| 2015-09-10 21:50|| Front Page Top

#22 This all happened in 1960.

Indonesia decided it wanted West Papua, the other half of Papua New Guinea.

So they sent in "migrants" in boats.

The West Papuans thought it was weird at first but not a big threat, boatloads of fit Indonesian men of fighting age.

This went on for a couple of years with more and more migrants coming until there were large numbers of Indonesians.

Then the Indonesians demanded to rule the place. They sent in paratroopers and military on amphibious vessels.

The streets were suddenly teeming with armed indonesians and the West Papuans had to submit.

The occupation was now a"fact on the ground".

The UN rolled over.

Do not think this cannot happen. It can.

These are the advance parties.

Posted by anon1 2015-09-10 22:36|| 2015-09-10 22:36|| Front Page Top

#23 I quite agree, anon1. And refer you to this thread.

Posted by trailing wife 2015-09-10 22:40|| 2015-09-10 22:40|| Front Page Top

23:44 newc
22:46 anon1
22:42 anon1
22:41 trailing wife
22:40 trailing wife
22:36 anon1
22:26 CrazyFool
22:24 anon1
22:22 OldSpook
22:18 CrazyFool
22:05 Procopius2k
21:50 Mullah Richard
21:44 Mullah Richard
21:42 Besoeker
21:38 Besoeker
21:33 rjschwarz
21:32 rjschwarz
21:30 rjschwarz
21:28 rjschwarz
21:18 Thing From Snowy Mountain
20:55 OldSpook
20:32 Vortigern Chinens3659
20:24 Pheaque Phorong2175
19:58 European Conservative