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2015-07-26 The Grand Turk

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Posted by Fred 2015-07-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top
File under: Islamic State

#1 Theater - mark my words, they are using it as a cover to mainly go after the Kurds.

Posted by OldSpook 2015-07-26 02:16|| 2015-07-26 02:16|| Front Page Top

#2 this is the civil war within Islam between secular and theocrat

we can help secularism win by declaring the caliphate the enemy, and those who practice sharia to be traitors. Boot them out or lock them up.

Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not.

Every Islamofascist from Boko Haram to Milf to Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Muslim Brotherhood all want the same thing: Caliphate through Sharia.

Minor differences aside, they can all be lumped under that banner, and should be, and should face the same blanket treatment.

Eradicate support bases from within the West, then eradicate abroad.

Instead we have 'multicultural' internationalists who stupidly say those who defend secular Muslims (eg turkey) against Islamofascists (eg hizb ut-tahrir) are "racists". silencing them.

Posted by anon1 2015-07-26 02:52|| 2015-07-26 02:52|| Front Page Top

#3 this is the civil war within Islam between secular and theocrat

(a) Turkish leadership is not secular.
(b) Turkey uses ISIS as an excuse to attack Kurds.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-07-26 04:18|| 2015-07-26 04:18|| Front Page Top

#4 a) turkish leadership is not as secular as it has been in the past but the state of turkey is still a secular muslim state, with large numbers of secularists, with secular armed forces
b) turkish secularism is now being threatened by IS theocratic fascism
c) attacks on the kurds is a byproduct gift for the turks, but that does not detract from the fact that there is a civil war between secular and theocrat which is now on their doorstep

Posted by anon1 2015-07-26 05:59|| 2015-07-26 05:59|| Front Page Top

#5 This is the kind of thinking that informed western attitudes toward Islam for the last 100 years, anon1. We see the fruits of it all around us.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-07-26 06:10|| 2015-07-26 06:10|| Front Page Top

#6 grom - i wish that thinking did in inform attitudes but all i have seen since 9/11 has been official denials that islam has *anything* to do with the problem.

Not once have i seen our leaders in politics, the media or anybody given any kind of platform speak out and say sharia is the problem.

declare the caliphate the enemy, sharia the ideology and start kicking them out and locking them up.

what is the problem??? have not seen this not even once.

hizb ut tahrir roam the streets of lakemba. Sharia criminal law the 4-volume set, for sale in the bookshops there.

our banks now issue sharia-compliant products

we now eat meat slaughtered by muslim men, praying with a koran over an animal that takes 5 minutes to bleed to death, that isnt even labelled as ritually slaughtered so I have no ability to avoid it at the supermarket

i see no evidence at all that secularists are being separated from theocratic fascism, with action taken on the theocratic fascist ideology of sharia

Posted by anon1 2015-07-26 11:36|| 2015-07-26 11:36|| Front Page Top

#7 I always thought those unmarked F-4s bombing ISIS in Iraq were actually Turkish. This goes back further than the article implies.

Yep, you have the secular and the clerical fighting it out.

The secular go about their daily lives enjoying Westernized life with all of its benefits and trot dutifully and faithfully to the mosque five times a day for prayers.

The clerical want to turn back the clock like Benjamin Button and go back to the grand old days of the Turkish empire with slaves, harems, rampant disease and vast ignorance easily controlled.

Somewhere in there is the real motive for this ISIS fanaticism funded by some wealthy non-clerical states.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2015-07-26 12:41|| 2015-07-26 12:41|| Front Page Top

#8 With respect to Turkey, when you lay down with rats and fleas, you get the plague.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2015-07-26 15:05|| 2015-07-26 15:05|| Front Page Top

#9 "War" like pakistan declares on the Taliban?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2015-07-26 17:23|| 2015-07-26 17:23|| Front Page Top

#10 ...well, sort of like war on low level war on their own military establishment, Israel, the Kurds, and they've now added now ISIS. You'd think they'd try to keep the number down. Maybe they'll add the Greeks next month.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-07-26 18:56|| 2015-07-26 18:56|| Front Page Top

#11 "Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not."

Amen!: http://theological-geography.net/?p=20392

Posted by TopRev 2015-07-26 22:14|| 2015-07-26 22:14|| Front Page Top

#12 Bravo, TopRev. YES -> sharia code must be crushed utterly.

Problem - steps 1 - admit there is a problem

We have not even got to first base. The security infrastructure, spy infrastructure, armed forces, politicians, media

none of them will admit there is a problem with sharia. Nobody will say: Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not.

We are thus crippled and the citizenry are left to defend themselves. Our rulers have gone on holiday. They are busy playing with the military hardware, deploying it in useless fields which don't fix the problem.

The problem is now inside our countries. We cannot even get to square 1.

This very site often carries their water for them, calling Islamofascists "Daesh" instead of their true name "Islamic state".

Always hiding Islam from the problem. NO - speak OUT. Sharia is the problem, it is part of Islam. Secular Muslims are the solution - they are also part of Islam. Pick a side and fight goddamit

Posted by anon1 2015-07-26 23:05|| 2015-07-26 23:05|| Front Page Top

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