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2015-06-24 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-06-24 04:19|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

Just today I had to react to an article from a liberal (European Liberal: ie partisans of reducing State size) telling that the reason the South seceeded was high taxes. THis a myth invented when the CSA tried to have Euopean powers recognizing it: since public opinion prevented any European government showing any sympathy for the "defenders of slavery", the emmissaries of the CSA tried to present its cause as a revolr agaisnt abusive, high taxes (a second lie they had been going down and down since Andrew Jackson) and States rights.

And BTW: it was the was the war of Southern agression, it was the South that fired the first shots at Fort Sumter and that because Jeffersoin Davis felt that spirits were cooling, that the Deep South alone was going to nowhere and that soimething needed to be done in order to raly the High South.

Posted by JFM 2015-06-24 07:47|| 2015-06-24 07:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Slavery? Well, it was in the mix somewhere, but slavery was not the real reason for secession.

The final note of that Civil War was the 13th Amendment. No amount of apologizing can cover that fact. It could not have happened in 1860, but damn well did happen in 1865. A blood payment that has long been forgot. I know the vast majority of people didn't have a slave, but neither did most Germans become members of the Nazi party either, but all fought damn hard. Tribalism is deep in human behavior.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-06-24 09:07|| 2015-06-24 09:07|| Front Page Top

#3 Slavery? Well, it was in the mix somewhere, but slavery was not the real reason for secession.

Slavery in there somewhere, yes. Too bad the North didn't recognize that "fact" and get with the cause and program of freeing slaves until Lincoln's emancipation proclamation. Freeing some, but not all slaves by the way. Not unlike the current regime's treatment of 'Red States' if my memory of history serves me correctly.

BTW, the Euro's were little different then than they are today. Financially defunct from their own internal misfortunes and squabbles. They sent a few volunteers and advisors. Tactics and weaponry were undergoing change. Not a bad idea to watch and learn at the expense of someone else's blood.

Slavery is blight on man, always has been, still is. Discussions of modern-day slavery are off limits however. No need to offend honorable faiths and followers.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-06-24 09:09|| 2015-06-24 09:09|| Front Page Top

#4 13 Items Amazon Isn’t Taking Down With The Confederate Flag [LINK]

Posted by Hupineger Glomomp52169 2015-06-24 09:50|| 2015-06-24 09:50|| Front Page Top

#5 Besoeker.

Slavery was in the Constitution and Lincoln could _not_ abolish it. He_could_ and _did_ free slaves from the seceeding states through his powers to seize the assets of the enemy but he couldn't aboslish it in slave states that had remained loyal. About 13th Amendennt had he tried to push it in 1861 the Unon would have lost the wars and slavery would have perdured.

Second: At that time European were not finacially bakrupted. UK was the economic and financial superpower not the United Staes.

Third: AFAIK there were no european military advisors, there were observers but that is an old and persistent practice.

Fourth: Who cares about Lincoln or about European observers? Mr Sensing's text is about why the Southern States refused to accept the outcome of an election, then why they created the Confedertion and then why they started a war against the Union.

Posted by JFM 2015-06-24 09:53|| 2015-06-24 09:53|| Front Page Top

#6 See "What This Cruel War Was Over", mostly sourced from letters, north and south, from soldiers. They had slavery on their minds.
Point is, today, that, since we can trans our race and trans our gender, there's no right to argue with somebody who wants his own meaning in a symbol. You can have yours, he has his and you don't get to lecture him about his moral depravity in having a different meaning from you.
For most folks, as Ace says, the flag is a generalized EFF YOU. "Don't tell me how to think. Don't try to push me around. Don't tell me to get better mufflers on my Harley. EFF YOU" Nothing to do with slavery and precious little to do with the confederacy. Except, right or wrong, those were a bunch of tough bastards. Toughest army we ever fought.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2015-06-24 09:55|| 2015-06-24 09:55|| Front Page Top

#7 It's interesting that people who have no problem with what Edward Snowden did have the time to call Bobby Lee a traitor.

Posted by Matt 2015-06-24 10:06|| 2015-06-24 10:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes slavery was evil. However, slavery didn't kill 100 million in the 20th Century as the acolytes of socialism did. Both are fundamentally, plantation systems. Both have a ruling and servile class. There is very little middle.

The Trunks and conservatives are doing a Paleo of passing a golden opportunity to improve their position by playing this against the Left.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-06-24 10:43|| 2015-06-24 10:43|| Front Page Top

#9 Ok so a bunch of people were slaughtered in a Church in South Carolina.

Apparently by a Confederate Flag or something.

Why don't they just ban Confederate Flags from owning guns? that would solve the problem.

Posted by CrazyFool 2015-06-24 11:15|| 2015-06-24 11:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Just a quick bit here on foreigners {Prussians]involved in the American Civil War. Observers, uniformed participants, advisors whatever.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-06-24 11:33|| 2015-06-24 11:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Killing history does not undu past sins. Worse, it caters to political correctness / social Marxism. Concede this point and the rest of our conversations will about about what to ban, not whether to ban.

Posted by Iblis 2015-06-24 12:38|| 2015-06-24 12:38|| Front Page Top

#12 Along the Ouachita River sits Monroe, Louisiana. The river separates one section of Monroe from the other. On Mardi Gras day you might be surprised to see the following parade. On one side of Monroe as you walk towards the bridge through the black neighborhoods you will see young people slinging crack. When you get to the other side of the river where the white neighborhoods are you can go in and have a beer in a tavern with the confederate flag on the wall behind the bar. Instead of the beads and costumes of Mardi Gras New Orleans style, you will be surprised to see units of men in grey throw back CSA uniform carrying the battle flag of the Confederacy.

Several hundred miles due West in the back country of Texas a group of white kids at a small state college held an "Aunt Jemima" party that soon attracted national news media attention and a lot of criticism. The college kid who put on the party apologized saying he had exercised poor judgment but that did not prevent him from being ambushed and severely beaten by black assailants one dark evening.

At the next rodeo attended by thousands, a once popular and very comical black rodeo clown put on an very entertaining performance only to be met with deafening silence at the end of the performance by the hundreds of spectators in the grand stands. A black bronc rider was helped off the bronc only to be tramped into the dirt by one of the white pickup riders who helped him off the bronc.

The outrageous cold blooded murder of innocent and good black Christians attending a bible study for racial reasons was pure evil. But so is the entitlement, lawless, special treatment attitude of many of a race that was set free at the cost on the battle field deaths of hundreds of thousands of white people.

As long as entitlement, disrespect and victim attitude is pervasive in the African American community the Confederate Battle Flag will remain a living symbol of discontent amongst pockets of Caucasian groups throughout the deep South of the US.

Posted by Ebbomosh Hupemp2664 2015-06-24 14:41|| 2015-06-24 14:41|| Front Page Top

#13 This a gonna play hell with the CSA-side Civil War reenactors.

Posted by JHH 2015-06-24 15:11|| 2015-06-24 15:11|| Front Page Top

#14 "... and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

This does NOT refer to the Confederate Battle Flag.

Posted by European Conservative 2015-06-24 16:57|| 2015-06-24 16:57|| Front Page Top

#15 My position on this, as a white Northeasterner - don't give the lefties this scalp.

Posted by Raj 2015-06-24 18:33|| 2015-06-24 18:33|| Front Page Top

#16 IMO its both ridiculous + illogical to ban the Confederate flag but NOT the sale or use of Nazi or Cold War Commie-Soviet symbols as well.

> The US Civil War was a Constitutional issue over States Rights, not Slavery.
> AFAIK the great Majority of US Southerners + Soldiers were NOT Slave-Owners nor Plantation Owners.
> Negroes fought for the South = States Rights in organized armed Military, Guerilla Units as did Indians + Mexicans.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2015-06-24 20:05|| 2015-06-24 20:05|| Front Page Top

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