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2014-06-11 -Land of the Free

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Posted by badanov 2014-06-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 I understand a concealed carry permit holder drew down on this pair in Wal-Mart and got killed. Any advice for permit holders so inclined to defend themselves?

Posted by JohnQC 2014-06-11 07:59|| 2014-06-11 07:59|| Front Page Top

#2 ..you're not the cops. You don't need a warning or warning shot. If you see an act that requires you to draw, you shoot. If you are not faced with such an act, you keep it holstered.

Before you draw, make sure you have a good vision of the situation, glimpse left, glimpse right. If you tunnel your vision you might miss another threat.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-06-11 08:27|| 2014-06-11 08:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Another that I can think of PK2 would be to use cover and concealment whenever possible.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-06-11 08:36|| 2014-06-11 08:36|| Front Page Top

#4 JohnQC, from what I had read the citizen didn't see or disregarded the female. He took a bead on the man and while he was distracted the female shot him in the head from behind or to the side.

My advise is the same as the police get. Don't get tunnel vision, get to cover and aim center mass. And as P2k said, you aren't the police. If that weapon leaves your holster to be pointed at someone it better finish the move smoking.

Posted by DarthVader 2014-06-11 08:58|| 2014-06-11 08:58|| Front Page Top

#5 And as P2k said, you aren't the police. Agreed on that. Best to avoid trouble whenever possibe--if not possible, come out smokin.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-06-11 09:02|| 2014-06-11 09:02|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't believe the Millers planned on killing just those two cops and themselves. Though unfortunately it cost him his life, the civilian who intervened probably disrupted their plan and prevented future killings.

Posted by Glenmore 2014-06-11 09:32|| 2014-06-11 09:32|| Front Page Top

#7 The big questions is how a felon got the guns. Although his wife probably bought them for him. After the funerals, Clark County will have to deal with why the police didn't pay him a visit before.

The guy Joe Wilcox was murdered from behind by the female. She was not with the male at the time and Wilcox thought she was an ordinary Walmart type shopper.

Posted by Penguin 2014-06-11 09:33|| 2014-06-11 09:33|| Front Page Top

#8 The big questions is how a felon got the guns.

Not entirely, I think. A felon so inclined will always have guns. Or cars. Or explosives. Or knives. Or machetes. Or be forced to commit numerous single murders.

As for drawing a weapon, never shoot to kill. Shoot to stop. Make sure you don't spend a lot of time trying to pick between the two or you may get stopped yourself. And if someone gets killed along the way, that's a risk s/he took.

Posted by gorb 2014-06-11 12:53|| 2014-06-11 12:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Any advice for permit holders so inclined to defend themselves?

Be a good witness.

Posted by DepotGuy 2014-06-11 14:10|| 2014-06-11 14:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Also, if you do have to shoot in self-defense and you survive, have a tire-biter attorney who can defend you because there will probably be a lawsuit. Consider what happened to Zimmermann in Florida (a firearms relatively friendly state).

Posted by JohnQC 2014-06-11 14:17|| 2014-06-11 14:17|| Front Page Top

#11 Any advice for permit holders so inclined to defend themselves?

Watch your six and watch your background.

Posted by badanov 2014-06-11 16:30|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2014-06-11 16:30|| Front Page Top

#12 Cover, concealment, get SA, then aim center mass and don't stop putting rounds on target until the target stops moving.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-06-11 16:50|| 2014-06-11 16:50|| Front Page Top

#13 And the shooters (back to topic) were so nuts they were the only people escorted off the Bundy property by the protesters.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-06-11 16:51|| 2014-06-11 16:51|| Front Page Top

#14 Good thing; these two fks would have been the fks to make that a shooting standoff.

Instead they shoot down two LEOs eating pizza buffet, then shoot down a good Samaritan they apparently were fighting to liberate or whatever, then shoot themselves down. Two people brave enough to put on the shield and one citizen brave enough to try and chase down these two fks.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-06-11 18:25|| 2014-06-11 18:25|| Front Page Top

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